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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:10 PM Dec 2012

Hoyer: Democrats will oppose ‘Plan B’. Obama ‘not willing to accept’ Boehner’s backup plan on taxes

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters Tuesday that Democratic leaders will urge their members to vote against Boehner’s “Plan B,” meaning Boehner will have to scrounge up enough votes from his own contentious caucus if he wishes to pass the idea through the House.
Hoyer said the “math does not work” in Boehner’s idea, calling the revenue it raises “woefully inadequate” to address debt relief. Hoyer called Boehner’s idea a “political ploy” designed to protect Republicans from a public perception that they are largely concerned with trying to protect the wealthy.

But Hoyer, who was briefed on the status of talks by White House congressional liaison Rob Nabors on Tuesday morning, said he was encouraged that Boehner has indicated that negotiations continue and his plan is not designed as a substitute for a bipartisan deal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/18/hoyer-democrats-will-oppose-plan-b/

House Republicans’ Plan B Ploy — And Why Dems Are Rejecting It
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/fiscal-cliff-plan-b-boehner.php?ref=fpb

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Leading Democrats — including, notably, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — have in the recent past proposed setting the threshold for the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at incomes above $1 million. “Plan B” is, in a similar spirit, designed to rob Democrats of their argument that Republicans are holding middle-income tax cuts hostage for millionaires and billionaires.

The plan reflects just how far the ideological pendulum has swing back in Obama’s direction since the election. Republicans are now in effect siding with Schumer in what used to be a fight between top Democrats. But with leverage on their side, Democrats are preemptively rejecting the GOP’s fallback.

“Speaker Boehner’s ‘plan B’ is the farthest thing from a balanced approach,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV). “It will not protect middle class families because it cannot pass both Houses of Congress. The Senate bill is the only ‘plan B’ that can be signed into law and prevent taxes from rising by $2,200 on the average middle-class family. Now is the time to show leadership, not kick the can down the road. Speaker Boehner should focus his energy on forging a large-scale deficit reduction agreement. It would be a shame if Republicans abandoned productive negotiations due to pressure from the Tea Party, as they have time and again.”

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) — who controls Democratic votes in the House — said House Dems won’t provide Boehner cover. “The math doesn’t work,” he told reporters Tuesday. “We’re going to urge our members to vote no.”

Obama ‘not willing to accept’ Boehner’s backup plan on taxes

The White House on Tuesday said President Obama "is not willing to accept" Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B” to avoid the fiscal cliff.

Boehner (R-Ohio) on Tuesday announced the House would vote on legislation to extend tax rates on income below $1 million as a backup plan in case his talks with Obama fail.

The White House rejected Boehner’s proposal, saying it "doesn’t ask enough of the very wealthiest in taxes and instead shifts the burden to the middle class and seniors."

"The Speaker’s ‘Plan B’ approach doesn’t meet this test because it can’t pass the Senate and therefore will not protect middle-class families, and does little to address our fiscal challenges with zero spending cuts," White House press secretary Jay Carney said in a statement Tuesday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/273467-obama-not-willing-to-accept-boehners-backup-plan-on-tax-rates

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Hoyer: Democrats will oppose ‘Plan B’. Obama ‘not willing to accept’ Boehner’s backup plan on taxes (Original Post) cal04 Dec 2012 OP
DO NOTHING. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. jsr Dec 2012 #1
Can't argue with that. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #8
Interesting. Democrats are fighting their asses off for Seniors. But Seniors will give bluestate10 Dec 2012 #2
But, but. but....everyone has been saying that Skidmore Dec 2012 #3
But....but....but... kentuck Dec 2012 #5
There has been no bargain struck. Skidmore Dec 2012 #7
I'm curious what your opinion would be if the President R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #9
Buddy, we have one president and this one is taking on a fight. Skidmore Dec 2012 #10
I wasn't expecting the Romney would be worse motif so soon. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #11
Is plan B the one where obama gives boner everything he wants? bowens43 Dec 2012 #4
No, that's called Been The Plan All Along leftstreet Dec 2012 #6
so it's a pissing match, let them all expire then, getting sick of both camps bull Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #12

jsr

(7,712 posts)
1. DO NOTHING. Let the Bush tax cuts expire.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:11 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:45 PM - Edit history (1)

The Bush tax cuts are like vampires that refuse to die.

They need to be killed good and dead.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
2. Interesting. Democrats are fighting their asses off for Seniors. But Seniors will give
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:12 PM
Dec 2012

republicans most of their votes in 23 months.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
3. But, but. but....everyone has been saying that
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:13 PM
Dec 2012

the President was selling us down the river.

That we were screwn....

Unless it comes directly from the President himself, I will categorically disregard any BS brought to this board.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
5. But....but....but...
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:16 PM
Dec 2012

Offering to raise the limit to $400K is selling you down the river. That is almost 90% of the entire Bush taxcuts being taken off the table.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
7. There has been no bargain struck.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:27 PM
Dec 2012

This stuff flying around today are bargaining positions. I don't see a need to have a meltdown right now.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
9. I'm curious what your opinion would be if the President
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:15 PM
Dec 2012

did strike a deal unpalatable to those who just voted him back into office.

When PBO agreed to continue the Bush tax cuts last time there were a lot of posters here doing back flips approving of what he had done.

If, and I don't believe that he will, PBO was to do this again I would expect to see the same acrobatic team warming up for a big "He had to do it" routine: worthy of an Olympic gold.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
10. Buddy, we have one president and this one is taking on a fight.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:49 PM
Dec 2012

If Romney were to be sworn into office, do you think that this discussion would even be occurring at all? Communicate your concerns to the WH and to your reps and senators. I proudly cast my vote for the President without regret.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
11. I wasn't expecting the Romney would be worse motif so soon.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
Dec 2012

That's not what I asked you.

I asked what would be your opinion if PBO decided to do what he did last time and keep the tax cuts for the rich.
 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
4. Is plan B the one where obama gives boner everything he wants?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:16 PM
Dec 2012

the republicans are playing obama like a cheap fiddle

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