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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Cowardly Congress Is Letting Trump Crash the Economy - The Nation
The problem with Sheehys metaphor is that there is every reason to think that Trumps tariff will bring both short-term painand even more long-term pain. In other words, far from remodeling the house, Trump is firebombing the entire neighborhood. The short-term pain is easy to see: The stock market dropped by 6 percent, losing $3.1 trillion in value. This is the steepest decline since March 2000, when the global economy was spooked by the rapid spread of Covid. But the stock market is only one measure of the damage.
More troubling is the prospect that Trump could be triggering a global trade war, one that could lead to a crash comparable to 1929 or 2008. In making the case for his policy on Wednesday, Trump offered up some typically nonsensical history, saying, In 1929, [an era of prosperity] came to a very abrupt end with the Great Depression, and it would have never happened if they had stayed with the tariff policy, would have been a much different story. In point of fact, after the stock market crash in 1929, Congress enacted the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariffs, which historians often cite as a major factor in making the Depression much more global and longer-lasting than typical economic downturns. Trumps new tariffs are comparable in severityindeed, arguably worse thanSmoot-Hawley.
Any criticism of Trump shouldnt be mistaken as a defense of the old neoliberal consensus (one shared by presidents from Ronald Reagan to Barack Obama) in favor of globalized free trade, which was often rightly denounced by left-wing stalwarts such as Bernie Sanders for outsourcing manufacturing jobs, hurting the environment, and incentivizing predatory exploitation of workers in poorer countries. But fixing the old neoliberal order required the targeted use of tariffs as part of a careful industrial policy and the creation of new agreements to safeguard the rights of labour and the environment. What Trump has adopted instead is a sledgehammer approach, applying a one-size-fits-all formula to virtually any country the United States has a trade deficit with.
https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/trump-tariffs-congress-constitutional-crisis/
Dumpy
(110 posts)The crash happened before the tariffs.
krawhitham
(5,089 posts)Dumpy
(110 posts)"More troubling is the prospect that Trump could be triggering a global trade war, one that could lead to a crash comparable to 1929 or 2008."
i wanted to be let known which came first.
The market has been bubbly and frothy. Back in Feb PEs of Mag Seven were off the charts and scared me out of the market. Now sitting in cash.
krawhitham
(5,089 posts)"In point of fact, after the stock market crash in 1929, Congress enacted the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariffs, which historians often cite as a major factor in making the Depression much more global and longer-lasting than typical economic downturns"
krawhitham
(5,089 posts)Trump would veto anything they pass, and you would need 292 house members to override that veto
Dems only have 213 members, that leave you 79 members short
I doubt there are 79 GOP members that agree the tariffs are a bad idea
They are not cowardly they are complicit
RandomNumbers
(19,263 posts)without being able to get those 79 GOPers to join them.
sop
(19,330 posts)"If youre going to remodel your house to make it better in the end, its going to be really annoying in the short term when your house is getting remodeled and theres drywall dust everywhere and theres workers in your living room." I'm sure MAGA morons will go, "Yeah, it's just like remodeling your house," as Musk tears down of their homes to put up a new Trump luxury condo they can't afford.
gulliver
(14,075 posts)We know that group think is the kiss of death, but we practice it anyway. The group has been mollycoddled by agreeableness fans to the point that it has become a surly, silent, easily agitated idiot.
(And, yes, I deliberately used the word "we" in the presumptuous, group think way, as a demonstration.)
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