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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked the court order requiring Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return tonight
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/07/abrego-garcia-case-trump-deportation-el-salvador-00276237
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Tickle
(4,131 posts)What have we become?
Tickle
(4,131 posts)UniqueUserName
(406 posts). . . sense of rule of law.
newdeal2
(5,434 posts)My bad. I should always expect the worst.
Tadpole Raisin
(1,977 posts)then hang on until the very end of the term to make a decision.
Except now Ill add they will either make some narrow ruling that doesnt clarify anything or send it back down for clearer analysis.
This is the felons criminal decision all over again. Help him delay and give him the ultimate victory. Hell the guy might suddenly die of natural causes before they get it right.
These conservative justices are true sadists in their ivory tower with their wine and cheese theoretical discussions of the law.
Worst group of justices in SCOTUS EVER!!!
Baitball Blogger
(52,359 posts)The only way they can approve this is if they concede that Trump's power is absolute. Which makes me wonder, if we win the next election can we send all the conservative judges to El Salvador jails without due process? I'm pretty sure that no one will miss them.
Conjuay
(3,067 posts)the conservatives would be screaming like theyre being skinned alive!
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,164 posts)and looks like he never will. Forcing him to do the right thing is almost impossible.
phuck Bush v Gore and all the mayhem is has brought.....
onenote
(46,147 posts)See post #39.
Chasstev365
(7,800 posts)Citizen's United
Presidential Immunity
Now this?
Quiet Em
(2,942 posts)What a bunch of BS.
AllyCat
(18,853 posts)...subordinate. They have completely capitulated their positions to a tyrant.
Cowards. They should all resign and never show their faces in public again.
bluestarone
(22,192 posts)When fuck head asks, the supreme court jumps then BOWS before the GOLDEN KING!!!
Kid Berwyn
(24,431 posts)And Putin won, again.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)Wednesdays
(22,622 posts)If we even survive that long.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)I don't think the planet will make it.
NCDem47
(3,470 posts)Something is up.
Hes a massive liability to them should he come back unharmed.
yardwork
(69,368 posts)So horrible.
highplainsdem
(62,193 posts)FHRRK
(1,410 posts)More likely he is dead.
elocs
(24,486 posts)Tickle
(4,131 posts)What next?
LoisB
(13,037 posts)Swahili if anyone is interested.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,908 posts)Thrill
(19,342 posts)Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Irish_Dem
(81,328 posts)Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Hope22
(4,751 posts)Sickening!
Efilroft Sul
(4,413 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,328 posts)returnee
(928 posts)spanone
(141,643 posts)May god damn mr. roberts.
madaboutharry
(42,034 posts)Chief Justice John Roberts set a 5pm Tuesday deadline for a response from Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia's attorney after the Trump administration argued the lower court order improperly imposed on the president's foreign policy powers.
I am the last person to defend the SC. But it is important to report the news accurately.
I have no idea who Kyle Cheney is, but he needs to learn how to read.
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/supreme-court-wrongfully-deported-el-salvador
Baitball Blogger
(52,359 posts)madaboutharry
(42,034 posts)8th, 2025, by 5 p.m. (EDT).
/s/ John G. Roberts, Jr.
Chief Justice of the United States Dated this 7th
day of April 2025.
UniqueUserName
(406 posts)The deported man's attorney must respond by 5PM today why the deported man should be immediately returned and given due process?
madaboutharry
(42,034 posts)And that is not an unusual time frame for a case like this.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)for any reasons, e.g., until a hearing is scheduled, and trump lawyers keep making motions for delay, etc.
Bottom line, from this sentence, no ruling is implied as forthcoming.
Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)Meidastouch Network Legal Michael Popok, was on this morning and said this was what Roberts would do. The other side has till 5 PM April 8th to respond which I'm sure they will.
orangecrush
(30,328 posts)dpibel
(3,947 posts)There are two separate actions in Roberts' order:
1. The order of the lower court (that Garcia be returned to the US by midnight tonight) is "stayed pending further order of the undersigned or of the Court." That is an indefinite stay.
2. Garcia's attorney has 24 hours to respond to the Administration's petition.
Are you thinking that, somehow, the response of April 8 is the extent of the stay of the order?
Because it's pretty clearly not.
madaboutharry
(42,034 posts)He was just on MSNBC and said that no one should get excited about this order and that is a very normal thing for the SC to give such an order. This is how the legal system works. Courts want their own pleadings.
The OP quoted someone who reported that Roberts issued "an indefinite stay." He did not.
senseandsensibility
(24,989 posts)in real time, but I trust Weisman's analysis. I doubt he would go on live TV with his expertise and say something untrue.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,220 posts)dpibel
(3,947 posts)That is how long the lower court's order is stayed, and that is an indefinite period.
angrychair
(12,291 posts)It had already been upheld by the Appeals Court. The only reason to interject themselves into this is to give legal cover to their orange master. They are going to make it legal for him to disappear people.
Bread and Circuses
(2,066 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)Trump has no incentive to keep him alive and Bukele has (Im sure) been told Garcias an MS13 gang member so killing him wouldnt trouble him one bit.
Bet he even gets a bonu$
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Terrible. I hope one day there is accountability for all of this and these people all wind up in prison. But I have no hope for that because look what has happened already.
onenote
(46,147 posts)Most folks here have no experience with, and thus no understanding of Supreme Court procedure. FWIW, I have both.
If Roberts had denied the administrations emergency stay request, Trump could've immediately re-flied the request with any Justice he chose. It doesn't take a crystal ball to know that he would've gone to Thomas and that Thomas would have granted the stay. Roberts has fast-tracked the matter, requesting a response by 5 pm tomorrow. If it had been put into Thomas' hands, he could have slow-rolled the case.
So, this probably is the best outcome one could expect.
UniqueUserName
(406 posts)C_U_L8R
(49,393 posts)Thank you, onenote!
onenote
(46,147 posts)Just noting that Roberts' decision isn't the end of the story and that it leaves me with at least a bit more hope than if Thomas was running the case.
bluestarone
(22,192 posts)Garcia's lawyers were given until 5pm tomorrow. WTH? Do they have any recourse?
onenote
(46,147 posts)So Roberts granted the stay and was able to set the schedule.
bluestarone
(22,192 posts)Go ahead to the full SC before they could respond? THEN on top of that HE joined in with the right to give TSF a win? My thinking is why did the full court here it BEFORE garcia's lawyers could respond?
onenote
(46,147 posts)Roberts, acting as the Justice assigned to the relevant circuit, issued an "administrative" stay of the lower court order and gave Garcia an opportunity to reply to the stay request. At this point, Roberts alone might decide to grant or deny the stay request or he might refer it to the full Court. But he hasn't done either of those things yet.
Here is the full docket:
Apr 07 2025 Application (24A949) to vacate injunction entered by the United States District Court for the District of Maryland, submitted to The Chief Justice.
Apr 07 2025 Order entered by The Chief Justice: Upon consideration of the application of counsel for the applicants, it is ordered that the April 4, 2025 order of the United States District Court for the District of Maryland, case No. 8:25-cv-951, is hereby stayed pending further order of The Chief Justice or of the Court. It is further ordered that a response to the application be filed on or before Tuesday, April 8th, 2025, by 5 p.m. (EDT).
Apr 07 2025 Letter of Kristi Noem, Secretary of Homeland Security, et al. submitted.
Apr 07 2025 Response of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, et al. to application submitted.
I think you are conflating two different cases: the case seeking for Garcia's return, which was ruled on initially by Judge Xinis of the US District Court for the District of Maryland and the case regarding Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Deportation Act which is before Judge Boasberg or the US District Court for the District of Columbia.
bluestarone
(22,192 posts)Just seems like the SC acted extremely FAST on the older law, with Roberts joining the right. Also saying (if i'm right) that a immigrant taken (arrested) like in Minnesota has to be tried in Texas? (knowing the 5th circuit will hear appeals) TSF has 6 judges on the 5th circuit i think. Why Texas? Anyway i do thank you for helping me try to understand this lawlessness. (seems like we are back in the 1800's where the rich owned the courts and judges.)
onenote
(46,147 posts)And while it may seem like the Court acted faster on the Boasberg case, in fact the application to stay that order was filed by Trump back on March 28. Roberts didn't issue an administrative stay in that instance, but did immediately give the threatened deportees until April 1 to respond. Trump replied on April 2 and Roberts then referred the case to the full court which issued its decision yesterday.
elocs
(24,486 posts)with Amy Coney Barrett joining with the Liberals. SCOTUS was realistically our main hope with that pairing.
If he had denied the stay, it would have been refiled with Thomas who would have granted it. Roberts put the matter of a fast track. If he had denied it and left it in Thomas's hands it probably would have been slow-rolled.
Renew Deal
(85,177 posts)In It to Win It
(12,652 posts)Renew Deal
(85,177 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,908 posts)This may only be a procedural stay
'Donât look too much into it': Expert downplays SCOTUS ruling as MAGA cheers 'huge win!'
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https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-2671687442/
Roberts ruled Monday to temporarily block a court order that would have required the Trump administration to return 29-year-old Kilmar Abrego García to the U.S. by 11:59 p.m. Monday. The Justice Department then filed an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court, leading to the Roberts decision.
For now, Garcia will remain in El Salvador.
New York Civil Rights attorney Andrew C. Laufer, Esq. explained on X, "Its a typical procedural stay. Dont look too much into it," but some social media users on the left expressed their outrage.
question everything
(52,143 posts)SheltieLover
(80,524 posts)usonian
(25,386 posts)Pack your fucking toothbrush.
Kid Berwyn
(24,431 posts)All three of them.