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BREAKING: Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked the court order requiring Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return tonight (Original Post) In It to Win It Apr 2025 OP
I'm not surprised are you? NT Tickle Apr 2025 #1
Saddened BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #4
I feel horrible 😭 NT Tickle Apr 2025 #5
Yes, yes, I am surprised. I knew that he was an abhorrent piece of excrement, but I thought maybe CJ had some . . . UniqueUserName Apr 2025 #7
I'm a bit surprised too newdeal2 Apr 2025 #11
That's what I guessed they would do in another thread and Tadpole Raisin Apr 2025 #21
Yes. I'm surprised. Baitball Blogger Apr 2025 #25
Right? Conjuay Apr 2025 #50
Scruples, Roberts never had them RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2025 #36
I'm not surprised because this probably is the best outcome we could hope for. onenote Apr 2025 #40
WTF? Chasstev365 Apr 2025 #2
Why? Quiet Em Apr 2025 #3
This man and this Court (except 3) are full-on MAGA. Cruel, evil, and yet AllyCat Apr 2025 #6
Fucking amazing how FAST they protect TSF!! bluestarone Apr 2025 #8
They turned a 2-month trial into a 4-year delay. Kid Berwyn Apr 2025 #68
Day 78, imagine day 178. NT Tickle Apr 2025 #9
Imagine day 1178 Wednesdays Apr 2025 #13
I can't imagine that far Tickle Apr 2025 #24
They don't want him back. NCDem47 Apr 2025 #10
I'm sure he's harmed. That's what they don't want the world to know. yardwork Apr 2025 #12
That's my take, too. highplainsdem Apr 2025 #18
At best he is harmed FHRRK Apr 2025 #27
I've thought that calling for his return would turn out to be his death warrant. n/t elocs Apr 2025 #43
I am starting to think that way Tickle Apr 2025 #31
kipande cha uchafu LoisB Apr 2025 #14
Arggh LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #15
Stuff like this needed to happen so Thrill Apr 2025 #16
Every one in the US is now fair game. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #17
This is true!! Hope22 Apr 2025 #20
Including the Supreme Court. Because what the hell does he need them for now anyway? Efilroft Sul Apr 2025 #29
Yes if they cross him they could get disappeared too. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #35
Well, fuck him. n/t returnee Apr 2025 #19
He's miles above the law. spanone Apr 2025 #22
That is not what has happened. madaboutharry Apr 2025 #23
I hope you're right. Baitball Blogger Apr 2025 #26
It is stated right in Robert's order. madaboutharry Apr 2025 #28
Even if you are correct, it is still a travesty of justice. UniqueUserName Apr 2025 #33
5 pm Tuesday, that is tomorrow. madaboutharry Apr 2025 #45
Yes, but that statement in no way guarantees a ruling. Only a response. A ruling might not follow ancianita Apr 2025 #58
Yes, he is correct... Butterflylady Apr 2025 #56
Thank you orangecrush Apr 2025 #30
I believe you are confused dpibel Apr 2025 #34
I am not confused and neither is Andrew Weissmann. madaboutharry Apr 2025 #47
I think we're all trying to make sense of this senseandsensibility Apr 2025 #49
If you don't think the stay is indefinite, then what is the definite length of stay you think is imposed? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2025 #59
"Until further order" dpibel Apr 2025 #60
They could have just let it happen angrychair Apr 2025 #61
No surprise. We no longer have a Constitution democracy Bread and Circuses Apr 2025 #32
I'd bet Garcia dies before this case reaches resolution Arazi Apr 2025 #37
He is a corrupt POS Meowmee Apr 2025 #38
I know folks are pissed, but it would have been worse if he had denied the stay request onenote Apr 2025 #39
Thanks for that explanation. /NT UniqueUserName Apr 2025 #44
We're so fortunate to have smart folks here on DU C_U_L8R Apr 2025 #53
To clarify -- I'm not predicting how the full court will rule, or what position Roberts will take. onenote Apr 2025 #55
Okk, so why did roberts allow full court to do this? bluestarone Apr 2025 #63
I'll try again. If Roberts denied the stay, Thomas would have granted it. onenote Apr 2025 #64
What i'm trying to understand, is why did Roberts give Garcia's lawyers until 5 pm Today to respond, but then bluestarone Apr 2025 #66
The full court hasn't decided anything with respect to Garcia's case. onenote Apr 2025 #67
So confusing. Hope you're not taking that i'm arguing with you. Just trying to understand decisions coming down. bluestarone Apr 2025 #70
Agree it can be confusing. onenote Apr 2025 #71
Roberts has tipped his hand as to which way he will be ruling. No more unexpected rulings elocs Apr 2025 #41
Maybe not. onenote Apr 2025 #42
It looks like a 24 hour stay, not "indefinite." Renew Deal Apr 2025 #46
The stay is indefinite. We have no indication for when their next order would come lifting the stay. In It to Win It Apr 2025 #48
I see what you mean Renew Deal Apr 2025 #51
'Don't look too much into it': Expert downplays SCOTUS ruling as MAGA cheers 'huge win!' LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #52
Then what? question everything Apr 2025 #57
Wtf? What kind of kompromat does slobby have on him??? SheltieLover Apr 2025 #54
Roberts, you're next. usonian Apr 2025 #62
And Putin's personal picks. Kid Berwyn Apr 2025 #69
!@#$%&*Z()_ AllaN01Bear Apr 2025 #65
He seems to be jockeying for the Roland Freisler medal struggle4progress Apr 2025 #72

UniqueUserName

(406 posts)
7. Yes, yes, I am surprised. I knew that he was an abhorrent piece of excrement, but I thought maybe CJ had some . . .
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:07 PM
Apr 2025

. . . sense of rule of law.

Tadpole Raisin

(1,977 posts)
21. That's what I guessed they would do in another thread and
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:25 PM
Apr 2025

then hang on until the very end of the term to make a decision.

Except now I’ll add they will either make some narrow ruling that doesn’t clarify anything or send it back down for clearer analysis.

This is the felon’s criminal decision all over again. Help him delay and give him the ultimate victory. Hell the guy might suddenly die of ‘natural causes’ before they get it right.

These conservative justices are true sadists in their ivory tower with their wine and cheese theoretical discussions of the law.

Worst group of justices in SCOTUS EVER!!!

Baitball Blogger

(52,359 posts)
25. Yes. I'm surprised.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:29 PM
Apr 2025

The only way they can approve this is if they concede that Trump's power is absolute. Which makes me wonder, if we win the next election can we send all the conservative judges to El Salvador jails without due process? I'm pretty sure that no one will miss them.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,164 posts)
36. Scruples, Roberts never had them
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:52 PM
Apr 2025

and looks like he never will. Forcing him to do the right thing is almost impossible.

phuck Bush v Gore and all the mayhem is has brought.....

onenote

(46,147 posts)
40. I'm not surprised because this probably is the best outcome we could hope for.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:05 PM
Apr 2025

See post #39.

AllyCat

(18,853 posts)
6. This man and this Court (except 3) are full-on MAGA. Cruel, evil, and yet
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:07 PM
Apr 2025

...subordinate. They have completely capitulated their positions to a tyrant.

Cowards. They should all resign and never show their faces in public again.

bluestarone

(22,192 posts)
8. Fucking amazing how FAST they protect TSF!!
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:08 PM
Apr 2025

When fuck head asks, the supreme court jumps then BOWS before the GOLDEN KING!!!

NCDem47

(3,470 posts)
10. They don't want him back.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:10 PM
Apr 2025

Something is up.

He’s a massive liability to them should he come back unharmed.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
43. I've thought that calling for his return would turn out to be his death warrant. n/t
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:21 PM
Apr 2025

Thrill

(19,342 posts)
16. Stuff like this needed to happen so
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:16 PM
Apr 2025

Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.

Irish_Dem

(81,328 posts)
17. Every one in the US is now fair game.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:18 PM
Apr 2025

Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.

madaboutharry

(42,034 posts)
23. That is not what has happened.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:29 PM
Apr 2025
The Supreme Court on Monday temporarily paused a federal judge's midnight deadline to return a Salvadorian national who was mistakenly deported while the justices weigh the case.

Chief Justice John Roberts set a 5pm Tuesday deadline for a response from Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia's attorney after the Trump administration argued the lower court order improperly imposed on the president's foreign policy powers.


I am the last person to defend the SC. But it is important to report the news accurately.

I have no idea who Kyle Cheney is, but he needs to learn how to read.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/supreme-court-wrongfully-deported-el-salvador

madaboutharry

(42,034 posts)
28. It is stated right in Robert's order.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:34 PM
Apr 2025
It is further ordered that a response to the application be filed on or before Tuesday, April
8th, 2025, by 5 p.m. (EDT).
/s/ John G. Roberts, Jr.
Chief Justice of the United States Dated this 7th
day of April 2025.

UniqueUserName

(406 posts)
33. Even if you are correct, it is still a travesty of justice.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:38 PM
Apr 2025

The deported man's attorney must respond by 5PM today why the deported man should be immediately returned and given due process?

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
58. Yes, but that statement in no way guarantees a ruling. Only a response. A ruling might not follow
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 06:38 PM
Apr 2025

for any reasons, e.g., until a hearing is scheduled, and trump lawyers keep making motions for delay, etc.

Bottom line, from this sentence, no ruling is implied as forthcoming.

Butterflylady

(4,584 posts)
56. Yes, he is correct...
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 06:06 PM
Apr 2025

Meidastouch Network Legal Michael Popok, was on this morning and said this was what Roberts would do. The other side has till 5 PM April 8th to respond which I'm sure they will.

dpibel

(3,947 posts)
34. I believe you are confused
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:45 PM
Apr 2025

There are two separate actions in Roberts' order:

1. The order of the lower court (that Garcia be returned to the US by midnight tonight) is "stayed pending further order of the undersigned or of the Court." That is an indefinite stay.

2. Garcia's attorney has 24 hours to respond to the Administration's petition.

Are you thinking that, somehow, the response of April 8 is the extent of the stay of the order?

Because it's pretty clearly not.

madaboutharry

(42,034 posts)
47. I am not confused and neither is Andrew Weissmann.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:42 PM
Apr 2025

He was just on MSNBC and said that no one should get excited about this order and that is a very normal thing for the SC to give such an order. This is how the legal system works. Courts want their own pleadings.

The OP quoted someone who reported that Roberts issued "an indefinite stay." He did not.

senseandsensibility

(24,989 posts)
49. I think we're all trying to make sense of this
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:49 PM
Apr 2025

in real time, but I trust Weisman's analysis. I doubt he would go on live TV with his expertise and say something untrue.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,220 posts)
59. If you don't think the stay is indefinite, then what is the definite length of stay you think is imposed? (nt)
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 06:43 PM
Apr 2025

dpibel

(3,947 posts)
60. "Until further order"
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 07:02 PM
Apr 2025

That is how long the lower court's order is stayed, and that is an indefinite period.

angrychair

(12,291 posts)
61. They could have just let it happen
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 07:08 PM
Apr 2025

It had already been upheld by the Appeals Court. The only reason to interject themselves into this is to give legal cover to their orange master. They are going to make it legal for him to disappear people.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
37. I'd bet Garcia dies before this case reaches resolution
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:53 PM
Apr 2025

Trump has no incentive to keep him alive and Bukele has (I’m sure) been told Garcia’s an MS13 gang member so killing him wouldn’t trouble him one bit.

Bet he even gets a bonu$

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
38. He is a corrupt POS
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:56 PM
Apr 2025

Terrible. I hope one day there is accountability for all of this and these people all wind up in prison. But I have no hope for that because look what has happened already.

onenote

(46,147 posts)
39. I know folks are pissed, but it would have been worse if he had denied the stay request
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:00 PM
Apr 2025

Most folks here have no experience with, and thus no understanding of Supreme Court procedure. FWIW, I have both.

If Roberts had denied the administrations emergency stay request, Trump could've immediately re-flied the request with any Justice he chose. It doesn't take a crystal ball to know that he would've gone to Thomas and that Thomas would have granted the stay. Roberts has fast-tracked the matter, requesting a response by 5 pm tomorrow. If it had been put into Thomas' hands, he could have slow-rolled the case.

So, this probably is the best outcome one could expect.

onenote

(46,147 posts)
55. To clarify -- I'm not predicting how the full court will rule, or what position Roberts will take.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 06:03 PM
Apr 2025

Just noting that Roberts' decision isn't the end of the story and that it leaves me with at least a bit more hope than if Thomas was running the case.

bluestarone

(22,192 posts)
63. Okk, so why did roberts allow full court to do this?
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 08:09 PM
Apr 2025

Garcia's lawyers were given until 5pm tomorrow. WTH? Do they have any recourse?

onenote

(46,147 posts)
64. I'll try again. If Roberts denied the stay, Thomas would have granted it.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 10:39 PM
Apr 2025

So Roberts granted the stay and was able to set the schedule.

bluestarone

(22,192 posts)
66. What i'm trying to understand, is why did Roberts give Garcia's lawyers until 5 pm Today to respond, but then
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 09:57 AM
Apr 2025

Go ahead to the full SC before they could respond? THEN on top of that HE joined in with the right to give TSF a win? My thinking is why did the full court here it BEFORE garcia's lawyers could respond?

onenote

(46,147 posts)
67. The full court hasn't decided anything with respect to Garcia's case.
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:13 AM
Apr 2025

Roberts, acting as the Justice assigned to the relevant circuit, issued an "administrative" stay of the lower court order and gave Garcia an opportunity to reply to the stay request. At this point, Roberts alone might decide to grant or deny the stay request or he might refer it to the full Court. But he hasn't done either of those things yet.

Here is the full docket:

Apr 07 2025 Application (24A949) to vacate injunction entered by the United States District Court for the District of Maryland, submitted to The Chief Justice.
Apr 07 2025 Order entered by The Chief Justice: Upon consideration of the application of counsel for the applicants, it is ordered that the April 4, 2025 order of the United States District Court for the District of Maryland, case No. 8:25-cv-951, is hereby stayed pending further order of The Chief Justice or of the Court. It is further ordered that a response to the application be filed on or before Tuesday, April 8th, 2025, by 5 p.m. (EDT).
Apr 07 2025 Letter of Kristi Noem, Secretary of Homeland Security, et al. submitted.
Apr 07 2025 Response of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, et al. to application submitted.

I think you are conflating two different cases: the case seeking for Garcia's return, which was ruled on initially by Judge Xinis of the US District Court for the District of Maryland and the case regarding Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Deportation Act which is before Judge Boasberg or the US District Court for the District of Columbia.

bluestarone

(22,192 posts)
70. So confusing. Hope you're not taking that i'm arguing with you. Just trying to understand decisions coming down.
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:27 AM
Apr 2025

Just seems like the SC acted extremely FAST on the older law, with Roberts joining the right. Also saying (if i'm right) that a immigrant taken (arrested) like in Minnesota has to be tried in Texas? (knowing the 5th circuit will hear appeals) TSF has 6 judges on the 5th circuit i think. Why Texas? Anyway i do thank you for helping me try to understand this lawlessness. (seems like we are back in the 1800's where the rich owned the courts and judges.)

onenote

(46,147 posts)
71. Agree it can be confusing.
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:41 AM
Apr 2025

And while it may seem like the Court acted faster on the Boasberg case, in fact the application to stay that order was filed by Trump back on March 28. Roberts didn't issue an administrative stay in that instance, but did immediately give the threatened deportees until April 1 to respond. Trump replied on April 2 and Roberts then referred the case to the full court which issued its decision yesterday.



 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
41. Roberts has tipped his hand as to which way he will be ruling. No more unexpected rulings
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:15 PM
Apr 2025

with Amy Coney Barrett joining with the Liberals. SCOTUS was realistically our main hope with that pairing.

onenote

(46,147 posts)
42. Maybe not.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:19 PM
Apr 2025

If he had denied the stay, it would have been refiled with Thomas who would have granted it. Roberts put the matter of a fast track. If he had denied it and left it in Thomas's hands it probably would have been slow-rolled.

In It to Win It

(12,652 posts)
48. The stay is indefinite. We have no indication for when their next order would come lifting the stay.
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:47 PM
Apr 2025

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,908 posts)
52. 'Don't look too much into it': Expert downplays SCOTUS ruling as MAGA cheers 'huge win!'
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:55 PM
Apr 2025

This may only be a procedural stay

'Don’t look too much into it': Expert downplays SCOTUS ruling as MAGA cheers 'huge win!'

www.rawstory.com/supreme-cour...

lucasmundus (@lucasmundus.bsky.social) 2025-04-07T21:34:35.924Z



https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-2671687442/

A legal expert added some much-needed context to a ruling by Chief Justice John Roberts regarding a Maryland man mistakenly deported as a "criminal" to a prison in El Salvador, despite evidence.

Roberts ruled Monday to temporarily block a court order that would have required the Trump administration to return 29-year-old Kilmar Abrego García to the U.S. by 11:59 p.m. Monday. The Justice Department then filed an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court, leading to the Roberts decision.

For now, Garcia will remain in El Salvador.

New York Civil Rights attorney Andrew C. Laufer, Esq. explained on X, "It’s a typical procedural stay. Don’t look too much into it," but some social media users on the left expressed their outrage.
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