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I get you. I am too focused on my feelings toward those who TWICE (or even three times) enabled hlthe2b Apr 2025 #1
Excuse me? Karma13612 Apr 2025 #2
no apology would be good enough for me Skittles Apr 2025 #3
So it's not just actions, but personal sentiments as well? Huh. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2025 #4
Because odds are their personal sentiments were expressed often, widely, and for months on end during the election... W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #6
What difference does it make as long as you actually voted for Hillary? yourout Apr 2025 #5
The difference is that the attitude OP describes mcar Apr 2025 #7
She was booed during the convention when she JI7 Apr 2025 #18
I will die angry about it mcar Apr 2025 #25
Because those constantly shitting on her most likely did more harm to her than help with their one vote. W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #8
I think women who voted for Trump were a far bigger problem.. yourout Apr 2025 #14
Yes this is the most important thing to be discussing here.... SnoopDog Apr 2025 #9
The " hold my nose" complaint has been used for decades karynnj Apr 2025 #10
Hillary was shredded here in 2008 Kaleva Apr 2025 #11
I took a 2 year break after 2008 xmas74 Apr 2025 #16
Meh. I couldn't care less about an apology. They led us here. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #12
So??? If they voted for her how they felt about her shouldn't matter Raine Apr 2025 #13
When we vote a re we allowed to grit our teeth? Sigh? Swear? Roll our eyes? Complain? Have negative thoughts Ping Tung Apr 2025 #15
Well, that was me, and I'm not sorry. ananda Apr 2025 #17
I rarely whine or complain, I just vote Meowmee Apr 2025 #19
I don't particularly care about your feelings either way. Nor does your rant sound anything like Gaugamela Apr 2025 #20
I will admit, right now. Morbius Apr 2025 #21
I hope you don't actually hate me AverageJoe Apr 2025 #22
Unlike Average Joe above, I don't care if hate me. Intractable Apr 2025 #23
By the way, Trump posted a picture of Hillary on his Truth Social today. kentuck Apr 2025 #24
This is totally uncalled for DinahMoeHum Apr 2025 #26
I guess I'm hated then. johnnyplankton Apr 2025 #27

hlthe2b

(113,957 posts)
1. I get you. I am too focused on my feelings toward those who TWICE (or even three times) enabled
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:16 PM
Apr 2025

this Hitler in Yellow Hair in the White House to take on any of our own who only reluctantly voted for HRC. Priorities. The latter are guilty of idiocy. The former may have us reliving the Third Reich.

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
2. Excuse me?
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:18 PM
Apr 2025

I voted for Hillary Clinton when she ran against Trump. What was going on in the voting booth is completely irrelevant. She got my vote because the alternative was a scoundrel.

Do I like her??? No particularly, BUT I VOTED FOR HER WHEN IT MATTERED.

When she ran in 2008, I voted for Obama in the primary. I felt he was more to my liking.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
6. Because odds are their personal sentiments were expressed often, widely, and for months on end during the election...
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:26 PM
Apr 2025

...and thus outweighed, if not outright negated, their vote.

"No single raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood."

mcar

(46,056 posts)
7. The difference is that the attitude OP describes
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:26 PM
Apr 2025

ran down our nominee and added to the media maligning of her - which depressed the vote.

I will never understand the hatred this good woman has endured at the hands of purported members of her own party. Here on DU prior to the 2016 GE, I and many others were derided as "vagina voters." HRC was called, by purported members of her party, a war monger, corrupt, and a whore.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
18. She was booed during the convention when she
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 09:48 PM
Apr 2025

was giving her acceptance speech.

It's when the shit Tulsi Gabbard and others like her infiltrated our party to attack our nominee.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
8. Because those constantly shitting on her most likely did more harm to her than help with their one vote.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:27 PM
Apr 2025

yourout

(8,820 posts)
14. I think women who voted for Trump were a far bigger problem..
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:51 PM
Apr 2025

And there were a lot of them.
Even after the grab them by the "kitty" tape.

SnoopDog

(2,695 posts)
9. Yes this is the most important thing to be discussing here....
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:34 PM
Apr 2025

It's not like our democracy is being discontinued...

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
10. The " hold my nose" complaint has been used for decades
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:37 PM
Apr 2025

It is often the case that the party's nominee is not your choice and occasionally someone you really were not for. In my case, almost every 1992 possibility was preferable to Bill Clinton. It never occurred to me to whine about holding my nose.

For me, the nominee that I became progressively more convinced he was a great man who would be a great President was John Kerry. On DU and other left leaning sites, there were far more people speaking of "holding their noses" than happened with Hillary or Biden.

I know it hurts when people say that, but the key is whether they vote for our nominee.

Raine

(31,177 posts)
13. So??? If they voted for her how they felt about her shouldn't matter
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:51 PM
Apr 2025

What about someone who didn't vote for her at all.

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
15. When we vote a re we allowed to grit our teeth? Sigh? Swear? Roll our eyes? Complain? Have negative thoughts
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 09:13 PM
Apr 2025

about political candidates/? Would we be condemned to your eternal hatred for doing any of the above?

Or, would you prefer that we just don't vote for them?

I've voted in 16 presidential elections. I've never voted in even one that had a "perfect" in my eyes candidate.

I voted for Hillary even though I thought her too moderate and a weak candidate. As I recall, I indulged in some swearing before voting. I'm not an ideologue, true believer, or robot.

Hate away. Better you than me.

ananda

(35,144 posts)
17. Well, that was me, and I'm not sorry.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 09:34 PM
Apr 2025

I voted for her, but I really liked Sanders better.

So sue me.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
19. I rarely whine or complain, I just vote
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 09:52 PM
Apr 2025

The problem is some of these people likely were badmouthing her when she was a candidate which hurt her chances of getting more than enough votes for the ec. The margins were pretty much those green voters and non voters etc. that lost the 3 essential swing states as I recall. Even so she won the popular vote. In a popular democracy she would have been president. Hrc was the only one I was ever excited to vote for and I supported her in the primaries.

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
20. I don't particularly care about your feelings either way. Nor does your rant sound anything like
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:15 PM
Apr 2025

what Kurt Vonnegut would say or stand for.

Morbius

(997 posts)
21. I will admit, right now.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:22 PM
Apr 2025

I held my nose to vote for Bill Clinton in 1996 (I voted for Perot in '92; I was young and stupid). And I don't apologize for that; I didn't trust him then and I don't trust him now. Hillary, I like and admire; Bill, not so much.

AverageJoe

(2,427 posts)
22. I hope you don't actually hate me
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:24 PM
Apr 2025

I was a Sanders supporter who gladly and enthusiastically voted for Hillary in the general election, even though she — and Bill — were, and are, both too far to the right for my taste. I will always gladly and enthusiastically vote for the Democratic nominee, even if they were not my choice in the primary.

I’m not sure why we need to be finding ways to divide us at this very dangerous tipping point moment for our democracy, though.

I believe Hillary would have been a great president. For what it’s worth, I think Warren would have been better, and I am hoping against hope that AOC will be our next nominee. She is spectacular.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
24. By the way, Trump posted a picture of Hillary on his Truth Social today.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:31 PM
Apr 2025

He is setting up his followers to call for Hillary to be arrested next, was my first impression.

johnnyplankton

(635 posts)
27. I guess I'm hated then.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:33 PM
Apr 2025

I was a Bernie guy and I think the Democratic establishment railroaded him. I held my nose and voted for Hilary.

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