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msongs

(73,874 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:12 PM Apr 2025

no official democrat is touring and drawing crowds like Berrnie's. do we even have any

dems with the star power to get those crowds...or any crowds of size? Or any democrats who want to tour like Bernie is doing? Desperately seeking Susan here

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no official democrat is touring and drawing crowds like Berrnie's. do we even have any (Original Post) msongs Apr 2025 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Apr 2025 #1
Of course we do. murielm99 Apr 2025 #2
Gallivanting and grandstanding?! Bernie and AOC? Are you serious? Duncan Grant Apr 2025 #16
We have lots of star power like that, very engaging speakers DFW Apr 2025 #3
Is that a sideswipe at Bernie and AOC? They've got the same "day job" 🙄 Arazi Apr 2025 #7
More crappy bashing of Sanders and AOC alarimer Apr 2025 #8
You answer their question & still get attached. William769 Apr 2025 #12
S.O.P. for some. DFW Apr 2025 #15
I'll take the champagne over the kool aide 😹 Meowmee Apr 2025 #27
In a real sense, Governors definitely have full time day jobs Tom Rinaldo Apr 2025 #21
I don't know how many Democratic members of Congress you communicate with on a regular basis DFW Apr 2025 #23
Good points, all Tom Rinaldo Apr 2025 #32
THANK YOU Skittles Apr 2025 #30
aOC sabbat hunter Apr 2025 #4
One of my Senators...Markey was at the April 5th protest stillcool Apr 2025 #5
My MN Senator Amy Klobuchar was at the April 5 protest, along with my Rep. Betty McCollum. Mister Ed Apr 2025 #9
I really don't understand the need to bash stillcool Apr 2025 #10
They are busy crafting legislation ... DBoon Apr 2025 #6
Democrats have also been stalling bills, adding amendments then amendments to those yellowdogintexas Apr 2025 #29
Bernie is not a Democrat but just caucuses with them. elocs Apr 2025 #11
Tim Walz is also touring and does draw some pretty big crowds, although nothing like Bernie and AOC. Sogo Apr 2025 #13
AOC iemanja Apr 2025 #14
haven't we learned? RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #17
Our party needs to move away from the center. Emile Apr 2025 #18
Yep, we need contrast like Obama offered not GOP light in ANYWAY. It doesn't ... uponit7771 Apr 2025 #20
I'm inclined to agree. And we'd be B.See Apr 2025 #25
I think it's great that Bernie and AOC are attracting large crowds and hopefully motivating Quiet Em Apr 2025 #19
Kick (nt) Duncan Grant Apr 2025 #22
Any chance Bernie's star power can influence the people of Vermont ? JI7 Apr 2025 #24
I think he wants to run again for president. RandySF Apr 2025 #26
What have AOC and Bernie accomplished in Congress? Any bills passed? Wanderlust988 Apr 2025 #28
that's a very narrow definition of success flor-de-jasmim Apr 2025 #31

Response to msongs (Original post)

murielm99

(33,016 posts)
2. Of course we do.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:15 PM
Apr 2025

Cory Booker is one. He is doing his job, not gallivanting and grandstanding. Go, Cory!

Duncan Grant

(8,930 posts)
16. Gallivanting and grandstanding?! Bernie and AOC? Are you serious?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:37 AM
Apr 2025

You’ve got two progressives who’ve been showing up for the constituency of the Democratic Party for years — drawing 35,000+ people, breaking records in Utah, etc. — and you see this as gallivanting and grandstanding?

I’m not seeing it. Please explain to us all, why this is so. I’ll look forward to your reply.

DFW

(60,311 posts)
3. We have lots of star power like that, very engaging speakers
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:19 PM
Apr 2025

Adam Schiff, Cory Booker, Josh Shapiro, Jon Ossoff, Jamie Raskin, lots of others.

But who want to tour? People like Schiff, Booker, Shapiro, Ossoff and Raskin all have day jobs.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
7. Is that a sideswipe at Bernie and AOC? They've got the same "day job" 🙄
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:04 PM
Apr 2025

At this moment though, it appears Americans are hungry to connect with likeminded people, get motivated, and hear about concrete actions they can do now.

Seems like Americans are desperate for Dem leadership to get on a public stage and educate them on the situation. We are going to need to move the mass of people to hit the streets very very soon, prepared with knowledge about the encroaching fascism and prepared to defend their actions to others who are waffling on the sidelines.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
8. More crappy bashing of Sanders and AOC
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:20 PM
Apr 2025

These rallies serve more than one purpose. They are energizing of course, but they also connect people with others to organize.

I personally want fighters, not people wringing their hands.

Obstruction in Congress should also be on the menu. Like Booker, like whoever is putting holds on Trump's nominees.

William769

(59,147 posts)
12. You answer their question & still get attached.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 11:46 PM
Apr 2025

If you don't drink their kool-aid, they don't want to hear from you.

DFW

(60,311 posts)
15. S.O.P. for some.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:24 AM
Apr 2025

So, what else is new? If I won't drink champagne, I guess I can survive without kool-aid as well.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,192 posts)
21. In a real sense, Governors definitely have full time day jobs
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:43 AM
Apr 2025

Democratic members of Congress, while under Republican rule, clearly need to keep one eye fixed on the legislative calendar to avoid missing any critical votes. And there are important hearings that they need to attend to expose what the Trump regime is doing. Their staffs do most of the behind the scenes research and fact finding, which is essential too of course. But precious few bills sponsored by Democrats have a snowball's chance in hell of Trump signing into law, so that part of their jobs is essentially put on hold. And that of course is the core aspect of any legislator's job: to legislate.

With that blocked, the importance of their public voices as high profile elected Democratic members of our national government gains special prominence. At times they can serve the public good more outside of Washington than inside it, carrying a torch, framing a message, rallying the troops, while their staffs monitor goings on inside DC. These are not normal times. Working to turn the tide of public opinion against the MAGA agenda, and manifesting public resistance to it, has become the primary mission of Congressional Democrats. Many are doing an excellent job at fulfilling that responsibility, but I consider that as much a part of their day job right now as anything that they can accomplish inside DC.

DFW

(60,311 posts)
23. I don't know how many Democratic members of Congress you communicate with on a regular basis
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:20 AM
Apr 2025

I have a few friends in the House and Senate, all Democrats, and I can tell you that their schedules are always crazy full, even when we are in the minority. They are constantly traveling back to their home states, meeting with constituents of all stripes, trying to get a grasp on what environmental, educational or business issues are of vital importance back home. It is also of vital importance to try to maintain lines of communication to the other side, if only for occasional damage control. When my brother and I had our “Marks and Johns” dinner in D.C. with three Senate Democrats, two Republican Senators at a table just outside the room popped in to say hi and spend a minute.

On a side note, you would have burst out laughing when the two Republicans, who obviously knew their Democratic colleagues, gave my brother and me the “who the hell are those two guys?” look. Secret behind-the-scenes Democratic movers and shakers? Sons of George Soros? But they did’t ask and we didn’t tell them. If they asked later, they probably would just have gotten the answer, “oh, those guys? Just two guys we know, no one important,” which would no doubt have just reinforced their suspicions that we were indeed secret powers behind the scenes

They are a really diverse group, even just the ones I know. From the married gay woman in Minnesota to the wicked smart Jewish guy from Georgia. Most are never available on weekends because they are meeting with constituents in their home districts/states. The notion that they have nothing else to do when out of power may fit a certain convenient narrative, but I promise you that narrative is as false as a pillar dollar dated 1879. Fourteen years ago, one friend of mine that took her duty to be regularly available to her district’s constituents seriously got a bullet in the head for her trouble. We had just rung in the New Year together in South Carolina, planned to have dinner in DC two weeks later. But she felt the obligation to be publicly available to her constituents as much as possible.

Don’t confuse being a State Senator with being a US Senator. In many states, being a member of the State Senate is a part time job. I know enough members of the US Senate to confidently state that anyone of them that does not treat their job like a full-time job does a disservice to his/her constituents, and none of my acquaintances do that.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,192 posts)
32. Good points, all
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:27 AM
Apr 2025

I especially like the pillar dollar reference

Broad strokes tend to omit a lot of details, and you kindly filled in many of them. Of course members of Congress have important duties related to their specific offices, I don't means to suggest otherwise. The point that I wanted to emphasize is, at base, a simple one.

We have no high profile obvious leader of the National Democratic Party right now. Minority leaders in the House or Senate don't have enough power to simply assume that status unless they win it through their own force of personality and charisma. Neither, for the moment, has. And regardless of the title he holds the public never viewed a Chair of the DNC as the leader of the Democratic Party. Yet it has never been more important for the Democratic message to be amplified nation wide.

We are not in normal times The U.S. constitution is unraveling before our eyes. The United States Government is being dismantled, and all potentially profitable elements of it are headed off to the auction block. Virtually everything else is being starved out of existence. The legislative majorities in Congress refuse to engage in oversight, and literally recoil at the prospect of holding the Trump regime accountable for anything. Without strong public backing, the Courts alone are incapable of holding the line.They are about to be steamrolled by an unchecked Executive branch.

All prior assumptions about the responsibilities of Members of Congress to their constituents and the public have to be reexamined in the above light. All assumed priorities for the use of their time have to be revisited and revised in light of the crisis faced. Bi-partisanship still exists in theory inside the Halls of Congress, but functionally it is a hollow rite until Republicans inside those halls find the voice to publicly oppose unconstitutional administration actions, and those detrimental to our National Security. We need leaders for the Resistance today, and the public to a large extent is judging the Democratic Party by the roll its congressional members are taking on in that fight.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
5. One of my Senators...Markey was at the April 5th protest
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:23 PM
Apr 2025

not sure where Elizabeth Warren has been, other than tv which I don't watch. My Congressman, Jake Auchincloss has had several townhalls. I don't think any of them would have the draw Bernie has, nor would they have the funds to engage in that kind of campaign. Some people are talented speakers/orators, and have a history in government. I guess if you don't know how to draw and wow a crowd you should stick to village, town, and state elections. Fine by me.

Mister Ed

(6,948 posts)
9. My MN Senator Amy Klobuchar was at the April 5 protest, along with my Rep. Betty McCollum.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 09:57 PM
Apr 2025

Amy flew in after the Senate adjourned at 3:30 AM, and stepped to the podium on our capitol steps having had just a single hour of sleep that night.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
10. I really don't understand the need to bash
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 10:40 PM
Apr 2025

Democrats. It's not certain Democrats, it's the entire party. It's not the federal government, its the Democratic Party. I don't get it.

DBoon

(25,051 posts)
6. They are busy crafting legislation ...
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:35 PM
Apr 2025

... that has absolutely no chance of passing the republican ruled congress.

Well, Time Walz has been hosting voter forums, attempting to reach citizens on their own turf. He seems to be having some success

yellowdogintexas

(23,726 posts)
29. Democrats have also been stalling bills, adding amendments then amendments to those
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:52 AM
Apr 2025

They went all night with those amendments and speeches about the amendments. Each Senator took a turn on a different subject. It may seem futile but these actions are keeping bills stalled.

Many of our big guns have been going to protests and demonstrations at the various victimized Government agencies

I love watching the clips of committee actions with our feisty young Congressional Reps: Jasmine Crockett, Swalwell, Goldman, Moskovitz, Lieu, Martin Frost, and others. They are not holding back and they are taking no prisoners. They are the base of our future.

Tonight I went to the monthly meeting of one of our local grassroots clubs. The program was our new State Democratic Chair, Kendall Scutter and boy did he wow that room! He is young and full of ideas and how to carry them out. We had a packed room of Democrats from all over the county. He has plans and you could tell the whole crowd was wowed by his energy. I am very excited about the next year. He is currently touring the state, meeting with groups like the one tonight and letting them know the Texas Democratic Party has new direction and energy.

One thing I keep hearing over and over from various elected officials: the protests, marches, rallies and so forth are helping the cause. They draw attention to the things we need to do. The Congressional Republicans may be afraid of Donny Convict but now they are starting to be a bit afraid of the voters. The more actions we take, and the larger our events become the more people will take action.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
11. Bernie is not a Democrat but just caucuses with them.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 11:28 PM
Apr 2025

Sadly and to our detriment, Democrats have underestimated Trump in the maga cult in thinking they were just stupid elections deniers while all the time they were planning on stealing the '24 election by targeting the swing states. This is the sort of thing that we can't afford to be smug about, especially when Musk is funding them.

Sogo

(7,239 posts)
13. Tim Walz is also touring and does draw some pretty big crowds, although nothing like Bernie and AOC.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 12:03 AM
Apr 2025

I don't see the problem with a full court press of many Dems holding many town halls. Bernie, for some reason, draws huge crowds to hear basically the same speech as when he twice ran for President. Don't get me wrong, I like Bernie and AOC and very much appreciate what they're doing, but that doesn't mean the other Dems who are also out there meeting the public aren't doing something equaly valuable. Appreciate it all and stop bashing those who don't have "star power."

 

RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
17. haven't we learned?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:53 AM
Apr 2025

Crowd sizes are irrelevant otherwise VP Harris would have won. I'll probably get a lot of shit for this but Bernie is not a Democrat, and I would argue the party being associated with him has hurt overall.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
20. Yep, we need contrast like Obama offered not GOP light in ANYWAY. It doesn't ...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:12 AM
Apr 2025

...matter who on GOP side endorses us we can't parade them as if we're trying to attract GOP we have to offer something different enough it'll get people off the couch.

So true the center keeps people stuck to the couches and doesn't attract GOP in numbers that'll make a difference

B.See

(8,588 posts)
25. I'm inclined to agree. And we'd be
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:27 AM
Apr 2025

remiss in ignoring the significance of it. Nor is it a dig at other hard working Democrats to acknowledge it.

People are showing up for these rallies as a reaction, no... in REVULSION to the dictator Felon in Chief's actions, and the actions of his fascist henchmen who are destroying democracy before our eyes, and as we speak.

As well they/we SHOULD.


...Newton's third law.

Quiet Em

(2,958 posts)
19. I think it's great that Bernie and AOC are attracting large crowds and hopefully motivating
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:06 AM
Apr 2025

the people who attend these rallies to vote.

But not everybody needs that. I don't need a rally by any Democrat to motivate me. I'm not looking for a star.

JI7

(93,726 posts)
24. Any chance Bernie's star power can influence the people of Vermont ?
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:02 AM
Apr 2025

75 percent voted for a Republican to be Governor there.

Wanderlust988

(787 posts)
28. What have AOC and Bernie accomplished in Congress? Any bills passed?
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:38 AM
Apr 2025

I'll hang up and listen...

flor-de-jasmim

(2,286 posts)
31. that's a very narrow definition of success
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:27 AM
Apr 2025

Consider people like Jamie Raskin, who has been a tremendous voice for the rule of law. I read he was primary sponsor on just one bill that passed, but I wouldn’t judge the success of his entire political career on that. He is so much more.

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