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Donkees

(32,770 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:23 AM Tuesday

Photos: Biggest political event in Idaho history we think. 12,500 in Nampa



We filled an arena of 12,500 people tonight in Nampa, Idaho.
Yes, Idaho.

Red state, blue state — the American people are prepared to fight Trumpism.



The Idaho Center’s capacity is listed at 12,200, depending on the arrangement of the stage. Rally organizers said they closed the venue’s doors at 12,500.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article304189026.html#storylink=cpy


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Photos: Biggest political event in Idaho history we think. 12,500 in Nampa (Original Post) Donkees Tuesday OP
I am hoping other Congressional Democrats go into 'red' areas also. riversedge Tuesday #1
This makes me happy. sop Tuesday #2
Go Bernie and AOC malaise Tuesday #3
''This was a Bernie Sanders rally in deep red Idaho.'' Donkees Tuesday #14
Thanks malaise Tuesday #18
Disappointing AltairIV Tuesday #4
Invigorating. Pinback Tuesday #5
"Why are they the only two out there doing this? " BumRushDaShow Tuesday #6
OK. Can you post pictures from any other similar events? Bluetus Tuesday #7
Apparently they are posting a lot of the video on Instagram and Facebook BumRushDaShow Tuesday #9
Thanks for those references Bluetus Tuesday #24
"It appears to me that, as usual, Democrats are still acting like free agents, each with their own direction and agenda. BumRushDaShow Tuesday #25
You certainly represent the people I am referring to well Bluetus Tuesday #26
To respond BumRushDaShow Tuesday #29
I am sympathetic to most of your argument Bluetus Tuesday #36
And as a note BumRushDaShow Tuesday #38
That is noise to distract you Bluetus Tuesday #39
Again BumRushDaShow Tuesday #40
Your history is your history. I'm talking about winning elections Bluetus Tuesday #41
I see where the problem is BumRushDaShow Tuesday #43
Thank you for all your responses here, BRDS. sheshe2 Wednesday #55
It's like the popular meme taken from "Naked Gun" BumRushDaShow Wednesday #56
Yes, so true. sheshe2 Wednesday #59
You are incredibly patient with this -- stuff --BRDS, & I thank you so much for your thorough responses.. Hekate Thursday #62
It's one thing having a lot of blowhard "rhetoric" hurled against certain demographics to stoke their "base" BumRushDaShow Thursday #63
It's all of it all at once all the time. We are being thrown back close to 150 years, imo... Hekate Thursday #64
My born-in-1930 mother told her daughters about how it always was BumRushDaShow Thursday #65
Heh, all the new things (or things to be reminded of) to look up. Great post! electric_blue68 Tuesday #47
I was hunting around and discovered that Bill Moyers is still around and participating in interviews BumRushDaShow Wednesday #49
Not true mimitabby Tuesday #12
Walz NOT Waltz Wiz Imp Tuesday #20
Elizabeth Warren just did a town hall in Nashville. 70sEraVet Tuesday #8
Here are clips of Warren in Nashville (from an attendee) BumRushDaShow Tuesday #10
How many are attending those :town halls"? Autumn Tuesday #13
I don't do Facebook or Instagram or TikTok BumRushDaShow Tuesday #17
Many of their rallies are being shown on news stations, not just being uploaded by the attendees. Autumn Tuesday #19
I mentioned that in another post in this thread BumRushDaShow Tuesday #21
I missed that but it's so true we have no "national" media. That's only one of the big problems we have Autumn Tuesday #22
It's a HUGE problem BumRushDaShow Tuesday #23
It doesn't have to be either/or -- IF THE MESSAGES ARE CONSISTENT Bluetus Tuesday #42
Thanks, yes, Tim Walz is out there and in my youtube feed there are posts of Democratic held town halls in ShazamIam Tuesday #15
No one else is doing nearly as many as Bernie and aoc, not even close questionseverything Tuesday #27
How would you know that BumRushDaShow Tuesday #30
The people's town hall schedule only had one town hall by a representative questionseverything Tuesday #31
It's still a "work in progress" BumRushDaShow Tuesday #33
Yes I have read about him, frost is great questionseverything Tuesday #34
Jamie Raskin is coming to ruby red Suffolk County here on LI for a People's Town Hall on May 3. lapucelle Wednesday #60
THANK YOU Skittles Tuesday #46
Sean Casten, murielm99 Tuesday #11
Casten has done lots of town halls, mostly with his own constituents questionseverything Tuesday #32
So what are you doing in your district? Is your rep holding a town hall that you are attending? travelingthrulife Tuesday #16
Telephone townhall only as suggested by the speaker of house AltairIV Wednesday #58
Of course it is MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #37
There are some happening that aren't widely publicized. I just went to one callous taoboy Wednesday #51
OMG BumRushDaShow Wednesday #53
Here's the thing, Bernie has been doing these since February 21st questionseverything Wednesday #54
Good to hear. And yay Joaquin electric_blue68 Wednesday #61
They are two that people think are authentic Renew Deal Wednesday #57
If ever there was a time for Democrats to speak with a unified message, IT IS RIGHT NOW. gab13by13 Tuesday #28
"I am seeing mainly progressive Democrats doing town halls," BumRushDaShow Tuesday #35
Thanks SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #44
Most welcome and I know there are A LOT of "Democrats" doing all kinds of things BumRushDaShow Tuesday #45
I'm glad kim is out doing town halls with his constituents questionseverything Wednesday #50
He just got elected to the Senate in 2024 in NJ to replace Bob Menendez BumRushDaShow Wednesday #52
This is very positive seeing this kind of turn out in red Idaho. GoodRaisin Wednesday #48

sop

(13,754 posts)
2. This makes me happy.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:12 AM
Tuesday

A socialist and a "squad" member fill an arena in Idaho to overflowing. I've been losing faith in the American people of late, this restores my faith. Thanks for posting these images.

Donkees

(32,770 posts)
14. ''This was a Bernie Sanders rally in deep red Idaho.''
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:26 AM
Tuesday
A few people were removed from the event. One person was yelling from the floor, and several people unfurled a pro-Palestine flag. People began cheering "Free Palestine" as they were removed.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/we-are-gonna-end-their-greed-bernie-sanders-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-in-idaho-politics/277-cd567dc8-39fe-4e5c-ac01-18cc2373fd7f




AltairIV

(832 posts)
4. Disappointing
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:52 AM
Tuesday

Why are they the only two out there doing this? Where are the town halls, even in red districts, particularly red districts within blue and purple states? Once again we have to ask our "leaders" Schumer and Jefferies just what the hell their doing? Maybe they are too busy filing all those lawsuits?

Pinback

(13,153 posts)
5. Invigorating.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:07 AM
Tuesday

May this energy spread. People are getting fired up to push back all over the country. Wonderful to see.

Sometimes leaders have to see that the people demand change.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
6. "Why are they the only two out there doing this? "
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:08 AM
Tuesday

They are NOT. But the "media" prefers to report on them as legacy firebrands.

In order to get "reports", one often has to unfortunately search the "local" news media as the "national" media is NOT OWNED BY US and are not in the business of promoting much if anything that we do.

I just found this from the DNC with a schedule of "town halls" by Democrats -

People’s Town Hall

Bluetus

(955 posts)
7. OK. Can you post pictures from any other similar events?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:18 AM
Tuesday

And why are other prominent Dems not joining thee two brave ones at these rallies?

Seriously, where is Obama? Where are the Clintons? Where is Jeffries?

And for that matter, there are some Dems who HAVE been active (Walz, Murphy, Warren, Book etc.) Why are they not out there with AOC and Bernie?

If it is because AOC and Bernie haven't invited anybody else, then shame on them. But I doubt that is the reason.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
9. Apparently they are posting a lot of the video on Instagram and Facebook
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:52 AM
Tuesday

and I don't do either (and they don't embed on DU). But here was Cory Booker and Mark Kelly yesterday AZ (YouTube) -



Maxwell Frost - a rising star Millennial - was at an event over the weekend -



Remember that the Democratic party is a "big tent" but we need to "spread the love". Everyone can go around the country instead of all gathering at one place following Bernie and AOC around.

On a related note - here is one that I just stumbled on is being done by STATE Democratic elected officials - this one in Iowa, holding Town Halls in red districts in their state -



Apparently other state Democratic party elected officials are doing similar in their states.

And as a further note, many in Congress have been speaking at the "Hands Off!" events around the country. I know the event here in Philly featured several Philly members of Congress including Brendan Boyle and Madeleine Dean in front of crowds of tens of thousands.

Some of us post the videos of these events and they get yawns, with little or no reaction.

ETA - Hakeem Jeffries is scheduled for a "Save Social Security" Town Hall today - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/save-social-security-town-hall-meeting-tickets-1319440454919

Bluetus

(955 posts)
24. Thanks for those references
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 12:14 PM
Tuesday

But I do not buy the Big Tent theory at this stage of the game. It appears to me that, as usual, Democrats are still acting like free agents, each with their own direction and agenda. We just cannot do that now. We really have to be pulling all on the same direction. This is a crisis.

A lot of Democrats really despise AOC and Bernie. They would much rather be serving corporate interests. I would just point out that those two have touched a real nerve. America is pissed. America has been angry for 25 years, and most of that is about the class issues that AOC and Bernie are out there talking about. They are getting huge crowds every single day. Even in Idaho they are filling large arenas.

The rest of the party needs to learn from that. Class/economic issues are the core of most of our problems in this country now, and Trump was able to use that to get into power. We have to understand that and fight back on that basis.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
25. "It appears to me that, as usual, Democrats are still acting like free agents, each with their own direction and agenda.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 12:56 PM
Tuesday

You DO realize that the 330 million residents of the U.S. are NOT some kind of "monolith", right?

They are often forced to focus on what the people who elected THEM - not the ones who elected YOUR Rep. - want.

Those who are in urban areas really don't care that much about what the rural areas get and vice versa.

This is why Democrats try to find "core principles" to rally around and for the most part, the focus on the social programs - "Social Security", "Medicare", "Medicaid" and the potential gutting of that, have pretty much been a universal theme.

I would also rather not get into using Bernie/AOC/Warren as some kind of cudgel to divide and conquer. They have very succinctly defined a universal truth (outside of any application to the billionaires). However there are also some on the far left (many who are Socialists) who believe that those 3 are "sellouts".

And as to this fallacy -

The rest of the party needs to learn from that. Class/economic issues are the core of most of our problems in this country now, and Trump was able to use that to get into power. We have to understand that and fight back on that basis.


Tell me WHAT "agenda" has been first and foremost with 45's implementation of Project 2025, and who have been the VICTIMS of it?

It is something that is not "fictional" nor "hypothetical". IT IS REAL AND IS LITERALLY HAPPENING IN REAL TIME.

I will give you a hint - "It is something that encompasses those who are covered by the subject that begins with a "D" and ends in an "I" and has not a fucking thing to do with "class" or "economics". And as long as people keep ignoring and waving away THAT overlay, which very effectively BLINDS the weak to other issues, then we will get nowhere. It's not an easy overlay to get rid of but it is THE ALBATROSS that must be addressed.

Bluetus

(955 posts)
26. You certainly represent the people I am referring to well
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:26 PM
Tuesday

Which is to say, your argument can be boiled down to, "We are all different and I will not make any effort to pursue a unified message and a unified campaign to rally the public against whatever it is that Trump is doing, which will probably pass soon anyway, probably by the mid-term elections"

America's anger has EVERYTHING to do with economic unfairness. The billionaires have spent many fortunes trying to convince people that the real problem is that brown guy over here or that trans person over there or the abortion clinic down the street.

Those are all red herrings. Our problems correlate perfectly with America's sense of right track / wrong track. For many decades, this moved between 30% and 70% like a pendulum. Then in 2005, it all changed. "Right track" went down to the 30s and has never been much higher since then, even with W, Obama, Trump, and Biden holding the White House. None of them ever fundamentally improved the economic fairness of our country, and people are just as pissed now as they have been since 2005.

What happened in 2025? This was when W tried to completely privatize Social Security and Medicare, and Wall Street investment banks started up a steep ramp with all sorts of mortgage frauds that eventually caused the collapse of 2008 and massive bailouts. The corporations get bailouts, but working people get to pay twice the market rate for student loan debt. This was the 3rd decade of no real earnings growth for the bottom 80% and the 5th decade of massive wealth transfer from the working class to the billionaire class. And we continues to have runaway costs of healthcare and higher education.

This was also the time when billionaires and huge corporations started openly owning politicians with no shame, leading to Citizen's United that codified ownership of politicians as a fundamental right of the rich.

Dems were in their element talking about in-depth studies and thick white papers. Trump addressed these popular angers by giving the people scapegoats to hate. And that's pretty much the whole story.

The issues people love to flog here day after day are distractions. The issues that taken us completely out of power are these economic issues.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
29. To respond
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:40 PM
Tuesday
You certainly represent the people I am referring to well

Which is to say, your argument can be boiled down to, "We are all different and I will not make any effort to pursue a unified message and a unified campaign to rally the public against whatever it is that Trump is doing, which will probably pass soon anyway, probably by the mid-term elections"


You do know what "E Pluribus Unum" means, right?

America's anger has EVERYTHING to do with economic unfairness. The billionaires have spent many fortunes trying to convince people that the real problem is that brown guy over here or that trans person over there or the abortion clinic down the street.


But as Lyndon B. Johnson explained to Bill Moyers as Moyers recounted the conversation he had with LBJ some 65 years ago -

Opinion

Bill D. Moyers

WHAT A REAL PRESIDENT WAS LIKE

November 12, 1988



WHILE Lyndon Baines Johnson was a man of time and place, he felt the bitter paradox of both. I was a young man on his staff in 1960 when he gave me a vivid account of that southern schizophrenia he understood and feared. We were in Tennessee. During the motorcade, he spotted some ugly racial epithets scrawled on signs.

Late that night in the hotel, when the local dignitaries had finished the last bottles of bourbon and branch water and departed, he started talking about those signs. "I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Some years later when Johnson was president, there was a press conference in the East Room. A reporter unexpectedly asked the president how he could explain his sudden passion for civil rights when he had never shown much enthusiasm for the cause. The question hung in the air. I could almost hear his silent cursing of a press secretary who had not anticipated this one.

But then he relaxed, and from an instinct no assistant could brief -- one seasoned in the double life from which he was delivered and hoped to deliver others -- he said in effect: Most of us don't have a second chance to correct the mistakes of our youth. I do and I am. That evening, sitting in the White House, discussing the question with friends and staff, he gestured broadly and said,

"Eisenhower used to tell me that this place was a prison. I never felt freer." For weeks in 1964, the president carried in his pocket the summary of a Census Bureau report showing that the lifetime earnings of an average black college graduate were lower than that of a white man with an eighth-grade education. And when The New York Times in November 1964 reported racial segregation to be increasing instead of disappearing, he took his felt-tip pen and scribbled across it "shame, shame, shame," and sent it to Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader in the Senate. I have a hard time explaining to our two sons and daughter -- now in their twenties -- that when they were little, America was still deeply segregated.

(snip)


The GOP, along with the SCOTUS, is in the process of DISMANTLING the Civil Rights Act of 1964, piece by piece. They are ALSO doing the same with the Voting Rights Act of 1965. NONE OF THESE Acts impact the vaunted white males who think they can speak for the rest of us.

Those are all red herrings. Our problems correlate perfectly with America's sense of right track / wrong track. For many decades, this moved between 30% and 70% like a pendulum. Then in 2005, it all changed. "Right track" went down to the 30s and has never been much higher since then, even with W, Obama, Trump, and Biden holding the White House. None of them ever fundamentally improved the economic fairness of our country, and people are just as pissed now as they have been since 2005.


One of the things that my political science/history major mother told me since I was a young child, was that the U.S. "is a capitalistic country and 'capital' equals 'money'".

IOW, (as a educated and trained scientist myself) there are some things that happen so often over so long a period, that they become "constants". And THAT is "the constant" of this country since its founding. It will never become economically "Communist" or "Socialist" (in terms of who controls the means of production).

What happened in 2025? This was when W tried to completely privatize Social Security and Medicare, and Wall Street investment banks started up a steep ramp with all sorts of mortgage frauds that eventually caused the collapse of 2008 and massive bailouts.


You definitely need to go back like 90 years ago when the whole "Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance" system was created in the first place and what it took for it to happen and be maintained. FDR's 4 terms (the last term truncated by his death) in office triggered a rare Constitutional Amendment to limit a President to 2 terms, something that 45 is trying to upend somehow.

In fact, there was a whole "DEI" demographic who could not even participate in it or collect any of it, but that is rarely taught, and a whole other glossed-over subject for another day.

The corporations get bailouts, but working people get to pay twice the market rate for student loan debt. This was the 3rd decade of no real earnings growth for the bottom 80% and the 5th decade of massive wealth transfer from the working class to the billionaire class. And we continues to have runaway costs of healthcare and higher education.

This was also the time when billionaires and huge corporations started openly owning politicians with no shame, leading to Citizen's United that codified ownership of politicians as a fundamental right of the rich.


I think those who follow politics and economics, know the numbers. The final travesty was the decision of "Citizen's United", which it seems that few even have a clue regarding the background of that case, yet will continually invoke the case anyway.

I.e., it had to do with this -



https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/supreme-court-unlimited-corporate-campaign-donations/

The very person who some here consider the "anti-Bernie".

This became the final nail in the coffin.

Dems were in their element talking about in-depth studies and thick white papers. Trump addressed these popular angers by giving the people scapegoats to hate. And that's pretty much the whole story.

The issues people love to flog here day after day are distractions. The issues that taken us completely out of power are these economic issues.


What you call "distractions" WERE and continue to be EFFECTIVE and are in reference to ACTUAL LIVING BREATHING HUMAN BEINGS. I.e., they are literally HURTING REAL PEOPLE.

It's not a "concept", it's been implemented.

The "overlay" blinds some people, including those in our own party, to DISMISS the very OPPRESSION that some of us are going through. And in this case, you have what amounts to almost 60% of the "base" of the party, literally being ERASED - physically, emotionally, economically, and historically (something new and MASSIVE IN SCOPE at the moment).

And to have the audacity to yell into the quagmire that contains pits of fire that the Democratic Party "base" has been thrown into and finger wag at them, while pounding podiums and stomping feet about something else that we NEVER FULLY HAD ACCESS TO, will NOT get you far.

There are some of us who are STILL WAITING AFTER 400+ YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY, TO EXPERIENCE A "DEMOCRACY".

Bluetus

(955 posts)
36. I am sympathetic to most of your argument
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:03 PM
Tuesday

But 2 things


1) most of the civil rights issues were essentially economic fairness. People wanted slaves because it was free labor.

2) We can't help anybody unless we win elections. None of these "free agent" issues help us win elections. And most of them hurt that cause

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
38. And as a note
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:20 PM
Tuesday
I am sympathetic to most of your argument

But 2 things


1) most of the civil rights issues were essentially economic fairness. People wanted slaves because it was free labor.


It's not all "economic fairness". If someone REMOVES EVERY HISTORIC IMAGE of those who helped BUILD and nurture this country, THAT has nothing to do with "economics". It's pure WHITE SUPREMACY.

You have jackasses right now willing to CUT $2 billion from Harvard (who is battling back) because of "DEI".

White supremacists will WEAPONIZE "economics" to impose their bigotry against anyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, male.

2) We can't help anybody unless we win elections. None of these "free agent" issues help us win elections. And most of them hurt that cause


Among the most reviled of the "DEI" group - and notably the one with a double-strike against us - "black women", WE have voted for Democrats in the mid-90% of our vote - EVEN when people within our own party continue to kick us with bullshit terms like "identity politics". It's because we have "been there done that" century after century and we are not stupid and carefree. We are forced to be pragmatic to survive. It is something that is passed down from generation to generation.

All we ask is to stop marginalizing the struggle. It's more complex than what keeps getting repeated over and over.

And just as I was typing this reply, THIS - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/pentagon-school-students-sue-hegseth-book-bans

came blaring in with a breaking news banner and I just posted it - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143441134

They are trying to take away our souls and our very existence and it's NOT "economic".

Bluetus

(955 posts)
39. That is noise to distract you
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:10 PM
Tuesday

It is what Bannon recommended as "flooding the zone". They know many of us find those things "fighting words". In fact, they count on it. They want us distracted and unfocused, and they are accomplishing exactly that.

While most Dems (if they are doing anything at all) are mostly thrashing, the AOC-Bernie campaign has been bringing in 20,000 people a day in cities all across the country. And they are NOT getting distracted by all the smoke and noise put out by the fascists. They are remaining focused on the core issues, which are economic. The country is very much in an "Eat the rich" mood and this is how we can stop Trump's rampage in 2026.

That's 19 months away, so if we want to force the fascists to pull back sooner than the election, then we have to convince them that they are setting themselves up for the mother of all pendulum swing elections next year. And there is no better way than turning our big angry crowns that are correctly directing their anger where it should have been all along -- on the wealthy overloads that have taken over our system.

All the stuff you are talking about is nice, but it won't win us an election.

This is well worth a watch. They are going deep into "red country" with many of their stops.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
40. Again
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:50 PM
Tuesday
That is noise to distract you


So eliminating MY HISTORY is "noise to distract me"? It's literally akin to the holocaust deniers.

It is what Bannon recommended as "flooding the zone". They know many of us find those things "fighting words". In fact, they count on it. They want us distracted and unfocused, and they are accomplishing exactly that.


This is "tone deaf" because it is NOT SOMEONE LITERALLY ERARING YOUR history.

This go-around, they are not "talking about it", they are DOING IT. They have forced the elimination of not just outreach programs to correct decades and decades of opportunities, but they are literally pulling books out of bookshelves and eliminating info from websites.

While most Dems (if they are doing anything at all) are mostly thrashing, the AOC-Bernie campaign has been bringing in 20,000 people a day in cities all across the country. And they are NOT getting distracted by all the smoke and noise put out by the fascists. They are remaining focused on the core issues, which are economic. The country is very much in an "Eat the rich" mood and this is how we can stop Trump's rampage in 2026.


Unfortunately what you are now doing is "talking points". As others have pointed out, tens of thousands of people attending a rally in a red state does NOT always result in "votes". It gets the message out there and fires up the crowds (especially in states where there are many lone Democrats on an island in a sea of red).

But based on this last election, "attendance at rallies" was NOT an indicator for the ultimate outcome of the election.

That's 19 months away, so if we want to force the fascists to pull back sooner than the election, then we have to convince them that they are setting themselves up for the mother of all pendulum swing elections next year. And there is no better way than turning our big angry crowns that are correctly directing their anger where it should have been all along -- on the wealthy overloads that have taken over our system.


There is a toxic male problem (of all races and religions) and it needs to be dealt with.

All the stuff you are talking about is nice, but it won't win us an election.


*Pat pat pat* on the head little n***ger girl. Got it.

This is well worth a watch. They are going deep into "red country" with many of their stops.


See what I wrote above, you are NOT going to flip the state of Idaho.

Kamala Harris held a rally with a crowd of 30,000 in Houston, TX on Oct. 25, 2024 -



Texas did NOT go blue nor did Colin Allred win over Carnival Cruz, who should be deported as an "illegal Cuban born in Canada".

Bluetus

(955 posts)
41. Your history is your history. I'm talking about winning elections
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:30 PM
Tuesday

Your history does not help us win the 2026 election. And we can't do anything good to make up for your history if we can't win elections. This really isn't complicated.

We really must face 2026 as if it is the last true election we will see in our lifetimes -- if we do not win big. We can't win 2026 based on abortions, trans issues, slavery reparations or whatever history is important to anybody. The only path to a big victory is to go straight at the oligarchy with everything we've got. Oppression by the moneyed elite is the one thing that 320 million of us have in common. If that doesn't work, nothing else will ever matter.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
43. I see where the problem is
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:53 PM
Tuesday

although you obviously don't. When it hits you, it will hit hard because you have never felt it, let alone have had to experience it over multiple generations.

But then again it's people like Rogan and Maher and even Carville who have described exactly what you describe and it is out of FEAR of experiencing what the rest of us have.

Complete. Utter. Terror.

Have fun and enjoy the ride.



sheshe2

(91,391 posts)
55. Thank you for all your responses here, BRDS.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:22 AM
Wednesday

You have the patience of a saint. Your posts are informative and in a word, brilliant.

Well done.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
56. It's like the popular meme taken from "Naked Gun"
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:45 AM
Wednesday

Where you are told to ignore what's going on in the background because it's "just a distraction".

Hekate

(97,267 posts)
62. You are incredibly patient with this -- stuff --BRDS, & I thank you so much for your thorough responses..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:18 AM
Thursday

Thank you, thank you — and you are right.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
63. It's one thing having a lot of blowhard "rhetoric" hurled against certain demographics to stoke their "base"
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:05 AM
Thursday

The misapplication of abbreviations/concepts like "DEI" and "antisemitism" used as cudgels, had been done as a "distraction" during the election.

But now that they literally control the leadership of the federal government, they are actually deploying the full power and force of the government to OPPRESS by using those terms as "excuses" and "justification".

THAT is not "economic", although they are implementing non-related policies that are destroying the "economics" of this country.

I.e., it is no longer "de facto" but literally back to "de jure" (legal) Jim Crow, with the use of unconstitutional E.O.s and federal lawsuits against states that are attempting to comply with the laws that THIS administration is violating by their actions.

The history of the United States is not solely the history of European arrivals. It's the history formed by people who were here before any European got off the boat, by every individual dragged here against their will, and by every immigrant who set foot here to start a new life.

Hekate

(97,267 posts)
64. It's all of it all at once all the time. We are being thrown back close to 150 years, imo...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:38 AM
Thursday

I have very much noticed the New Jim Crow. I grew up being aware of the Civil Rights movement, & tho the physical manifestations were far away, they came into our living room via our tv, the daily paper, and LIFE magazine’s excellent photo-journalism. Those little children were my age, even if not my color. It was a righteous cause and I knew it.

The other side of this dreadful coin has been the biological re-enslavement of anyone with a uterus. I knew the history, or thought I did, but took contraception/family planning so utterly for granted that I could not imagine that what is occurring now could actually happen. Dobbs was about so much more than abortion. All of women’s progress in the past century-plus has hinged on having control of our own fertility and being able to plan our pregnancies.

Bernie and his acolytes are fixated on a narrow view of economics to the exclusion of everything else. “Everything else” is — everything. If a girl or woman cannot control her own fertility, she has little chance of completing her education or of competing for jobs with a future. If all reference to DEI aka Affirmative Action is erased, that erases the accomplishments of everyone but white males.

Makes me want to throw things, hard.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
65. My born-in-1930 mother told her daughters about how it always was
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:39 AM
Thursday

and how some women could get around it by having D&Cs (and I finally started seeing the term used again, post-Roe). She was a fan of Gloria Steinem (and even went to some appearance she had here in Philly back in the early '70s). She also subbed to Ms. magazine, so it was in our household! She always noted the "control" where when she finally needed to have a hysterectomy due to years and years suffering with fibroids, she had to have the "approval/consent" of my dad back then.

These toxic men want to return to that.

I have said that one of the defining mantras that Kamala Harris promoted was this -



And in their nasty fucking arrogance, "going back" is EXACTLY what these RW-loons and their enablers had planned, and are currently carrying out. They are using the cover of their manufacturing of a new type of illegal "jurisprudence" in order to justify breaking existing laws.

electric_blue68

(20,892 posts)
47. Heh, all the new things (or things to be reminded of) to look up. Great post!
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 11:42 PM
Tuesday

I think DEI, racist & sexism still play like maybe 2/3rds issues.
Approximately 1/3 of each racism, sexism and economics. And some other stuff.

Not read totally down post yet; I don't think slavery was just an economic issue. Hmmm, how do I think this....
Racism was the basis to be able to conduct such a hideous way of life for enslaved Africans, and their descendents.

I was a bit too young to hear that (high lighted) comment by LBJ till later on
I do remember it. Still too true for a segment of White people.

Sexism; still too much of that.

I remember Bill Moyers.

Bookmarked so I can refer back to your post. Getting a bit tired too read it through right now. Ty for your efforts. 👍

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
49. I was hunting around and discovered that Bill Moyers is still around and participating in interviews
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:57 AM
Wednesday

He appeared just a few years ago to talk about January 6 -



Like Dan Rather, he has that "institutional knowledge" of a turbulent period in the U.S. His voice would be instructive about now!!

70sEraVet

(4,449 posts)
8. Elizabeth Warren just did a town hall in Nashville.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:22 AM
Tuesday

I don't know how much media coverage that got nationally, but it got Nashville woken up.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
10. Here are clips of Warren in Nashville (from an attendee)
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:58 AM
Tuesday


Most of the longer segments of these events are still on stupid Facebook, Instagram, or some other non-embeddable-on-DU video source.

Autumn

(47,717 posts)
13. How many are attending those :town halls"?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:15 AM
Tuesday

It seems to me those town hall are really easy to be ignored. I know that Walz and Warren are out there, And Mark Kelly, But Bernie and AOC are bringing home the bacon. people show up, in the reddest of places.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
17. I don't do Facebook or Instagram or TikTok
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:44 AM
Tuesday

and many of these events are being recorded and uploaded to those social media outlets.

I will say that most of the "Hands Off!" rallies that happened just a little over a week ago through that weekend (Apr. 5 - 6), were HUGE and most had some kind of Congressional speaker there. Some of these events were posted on DU but tend to get the same kind of yawns.

Remember that Congress (both chambers) are NOW on a 2-week recess starting this week and today is Tuesday. So I would hope that some of us on DU don't have to continually spoon feed videos that we go out to look for when some proclaim that "no one is doing anything".

I provided a few that I could come up with a a quick search and gave a link to the "Peoples Town Hall" site that has info on and dates/links/signups for that particular set of Town Hall events.

If people won't click on that, then there is nothing that I can do to force it.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
21. I mentioned that in another post in this thread
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:52 AM
Tuesday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20239204 -

In order to get "reports", one often has to unfortunately search the "local" news media as the "national" media is NOT OWNED BY US and are not in the business of promoting much if anything that we do.


The "local" news sites usually have some segments (although not a full thing). I found a blip of Sen. Andy Kim's 1st of 3 Town Halls - the below one was in a NJ shore township that had recently flipped to red -



Other times the member of Congress will post on a Youtube channel - assuming it is being updated/maintained.

Autumn

(47,717 posts)
22. I missed that but it's so true we have no "national" media. That's only one of the big problems we have
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:56 AM
Tuesday

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
23. It's a HUGE problem
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 11:30 AM
Tuesday

although Soros recently purchased and was approved by the FCC for the big radio conglomerate "Audacy", and its couple hundred stations (much to the GOP anger and chagrin with threats to "investigate" ).

These stations could not only run the audio feeds of town halls (that often happen over weekends which are usually "slow news days" ) but also have a web and video presence (often associating with a TV station) and could stream them. Soros (basically his son) already sponsors MeidasTouch and Pod Save America podcasts.

Bluetus

(955 posts)
42. It doesn't have to be either/or -- IF THE MESSAGES ARE CONSISTENT
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:35 PM
Tuesday

The message with AOC and Bernie is crystal clear. It is called the "FIghting oligarchy" tour and that's exactly what it sound like. And that is exactly why huge crowds are showing up. They don't want to talk about borders, abortions, trans surgeries, and eating dogs. They know the middle class is getting royally screwed by the rich. And if they didn't get it before, Elon has made it perfectly obvious to everybody.

So town halls, yes indeed, as long as they have the same laser focus on fighting oligarchy that AOC and Bernie are bringing.

No matter what question is asked, bring it around to the wealth injustice in this country. I have no doubt Sen Warren does exactly that. She gets it. But I'm not sure enough of the other Dems do. They had better learn from what they are seeing with AOC and Bernie.

ShazamIam

(2,831 posts)
15. Thanks, yes, Tim Walz is out there and in my youtube feed there are posts of Democratic held town halls in
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:30 AM
Tuesday

Republican districts. The RNC told the Republicans to stop holding them because the Republicans were getting too much push back.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
30. How would you know that
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:10 PM
Tuesday

unless "it was posted on DU"?

Seriously.

And even when these events ARE posted, they get yawns.

That is why I posted a link to the "People's Town Halls" schedule. I didn't even bother with the "Indivisible" or "MoveOn" ones (who are sponsoring quite a few Town Halls) because I would have thought some here would have been hip to those. But also check this for a wide range of events and add what filters you want to show what is going on (that are NOT being reported) - https://www.mobilize.us/

questionseverything

(10,711 posts)
31. The people's town hall schedule only had one town hall by a representative
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:48 PM
Tuesday

The rest were by former officials, and no one was doing several over one weekend like Bernie and aoc…. And now continuing during the week

As for, “ how would I know?”,

I read a variety of news feeds

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
33. It's still a "work in progress"
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:16 PM
Tuesday

Congress literally just recessed for 2 weeks so they are getting themselves scheduled - including the wheres and whens, etc.

As for, “ how would I know?”,

I read a variety of news feeds


Did you see this in your feed (April 5th) -



Frost is from FL and has showed up at a bunch of protests and rallies - coast to coast.

(April 12th)





Don't just rely on random "news feeds" controlled by the very oligarchs that people rail against.

questionseverything

(10,711 posts)
34. Yes I have read about him, frost is great
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:33 PM
Tuesday

He didn’t organize the hands off protest but he showed up, gave a speech, supported the people’s efforts

Sadly the town hall that got the most publicity had to be shut down due to protesters but he got right back out there

lapucelle

(20,010 posts)
60. Jamie Raskin is coming to ruby red Suffolk County here on LI for a People's Town Hall on May 3.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:03 PM
Wednesday

murielm99

(31,838 posts)
11. Sean Casten,
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:07 AM
Tuesday

Democratic congressman from Illinois 6, was in my red district on Saturday doing a town hall. Some of ours do this work. They do not get the publicity they deserve.

questionseverything

(10,711 posts)
32. Casten has done lots of town halls, mostly with his own constituents
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:04 PM
Tuesday

Which is his job but also targeting neglected republican districts

Targeting lahood is perfect because that guy relies on his name recognition and does zilch for his voters

travelingthrulife

(2,079 posts)
16. So what are you doing in your district? Is your rep holding a town hall that you are attending?
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:33 AM
Tuesday

I think Hands Off asks for leaders to volunteer to coordinate protests.

AltairIV

(832 posts)
58. Telephone townhall only as suggested by the speaker of house
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:51 AM
Wednesday

My rep., republican Andrew Garbarino just held a telephone townhall where, based on the questions asked, were pre-screened, no follow ups, or responses to his answers other than usual I agree, rah, rah etc etc. I hung up after 30 minutes of this nonsense and emailed his office asking pointed follow ups and quotes of his from emails from previous questions and comments I sent.

callous taoboy

(4,702 posts)
51. There are some happening that aren't widely publicized. I just went to one
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:50 AM
Wednesday

in deep red Gillespie County Texas with Joaquin Castro and two Texas House reps, and there were 350 people packed into the Gillespie County Historical Society building from all of the counties Joaquin serves. It was invigorating for all of us. Chip Roy was invited but never responded, so they had a cardboard cutout of him onstage.

But I get what you’re saying. I’d like to see it happening on a massive level, such that there is no way MSM can ignore it, to where it seems like the whole party is aligned against tRUMPism.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
53. OMG
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:05 AM
Wednesday
Chip Roy was invited


You are in Roy's District? If so, all I can say is I feel for you.

(I know Roy was a thorn in both McCarthy's and now Johnson's side - from the far right)

questionseverything

(10,711 posts)
54. Here's the thing, Bernie has been doing these since February 21st
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:10 AM
Wednesday

It’s really just the last few weeks we are hearing about them…. It takes time for stuff to build

Renew Deal

(83,800 posts)
57. They are two that people think are authentic
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:49 AM
Wednesday

Sanders and AOC are trusted by many people that are generally skeptical.

gab13by13

(27,723 posts)
28. If ever there was a time for Democrats to speak with a unified message, IT IS RIGHT NOW.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:52 PM
Tuesday

The message is a simple one, easy to understand, FIGHT NOW.

I am seeing mainly progressive Democrats doing town halls, I hope some Democrats are not following the strategy of Chuck Schumer. I heard Schumer say a couple of weeks ago on Chris Hayes that when Krasnov/Musk burn it all down then Democrats can win the mid-terms. I am not making this up, I heard Schumer say it, and then I screamed, NO!

That is a terrible strategy.

Can we all agree, the time to fight is now. We missed a big chance when we didn't take a stand voting against the CR. Every Congressional Democrat should do town halls. It doesn't matter if the MSM covers them or not, Democrats need to get out there and listen to the people and then inform them what Krasnov is doing to them and then organize them to fight back.

It is up to us, the people, to throw out the billionaires. A hero won't save us, the MSM won't save us, the courts won't save us, it is up to us to fight back.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
35. "I am seeing mainly progressive Democrats doing town halls,"
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:47 PM
Tuesday

Because they won't show people like Andy Kim, who appeared in now reddish Egg Harbor at the shore (he's not quite "progressive" by DU's definition ) -



Unfortunately a lot of (D) Town Halls are being recorded and sent around on social media - Xitter, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, etc. The M$M refuses to show these except maybe some blips.



(as a note, Bonnie Watson Coleman had a video of her appearance shown in the above but posted it on Facebook, which is useless on DU and her staff apparently deals in Instagram, also useless on DU).

Just because you "don't see it on DU" doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is why the Millennials and GenZ laugh and say "Okay Boomers".

SocialDemocrat61

(4,207 posts)
44. Thanks
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:55 PM
Tuesday

for posting all the clips that you do. Unfortunately, too many just want to complain about democrats rather than acknowledge what many democrats are doing.

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
45. Most welcome and I know there are A LOT of "Democrats" doing all kinds of things
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:17 PM
Tuesday

Most are actually STATE/COUNTY/MUNICIPAL ones "where the people are". It follows the old saying by Tim O'Neill -



"All politics are local".

The ideas of the "Empty Chair Town Hall" and the "People's Town Hall", have resonated across the country and Democrats are doing this up and down the levels of government - from Congress to the state legislatures to the County Commissions and City Councils.

But there is no way that the "national media" is going to show them all. Even doing searches, so much of it is coming up on "social media" and DU tends to not only bad mouth "social media", but will even refuse to view something that someone posts using it - and THAT is where the younger Democrats are.

And I say this having ZERO "social media" accounts. But if I search for something and a newsworthy report comes up on any social media that is "publicly available" to read, then I will look at it and post it on DU if I can. But in generally, almost ALL my news is literally being gathered "the hard way". Literally dozens of tabs of news sites, and I have some of the news site apps on my iPad so they blare out "breaking news" banners and I will quickly go to the site to find out what is up.

questionseverything

(10,711 posts)
50. I'm glad kim is out doing town halls with his constituents
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:36 AM
Wednesday

The article said since he has taken office he has held 2 telephone town halls and then it announced his first 3 in person events

( which are the pictures you showed)

It’s good but not the same as criss crossings the country trying to flip the house 🏡

BumRushDaShow

(150,926 posts)
52. He just got elected to the Senate in 2024 in NJ to replace Bob Menendez
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:55 AM
Wednesday

He was instrumental in flipping the House seat that he left, from (R) to (D), back in 2018, so he is still relatively "new" in Congress. He is also a 42 year old Millennial who is slowly making his mark. One might recall him doing this on January 6 -



He had just gotten elected and sworn in to his 2nd House term when the above happened. Prior to that, he worked in the Obama Administration.

Expect to see him flex more in the coming years.
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