International Criminal Courts

[DesertAuthor]

I recently posted a note about the ICC in hopes that this would be a means of prosecuting the convicted felon for his presidential crimes.

Here is more information on how the ICC operates. It is not a simple process. One problem is, the US is not a member of the ICC. However, other countries are, and if they were so inclined, could initiate a case.

The prosecution process can be initiated in three main ways:

State Party Referral (possibly but not likely in this case)

A country that is a member of the ICC (a State Party) can refer a situation involving alleged crimes (e.g., war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, aggression) committed in the territory of a member state or by its nationals.

Prosecutor’s Own Initiative (more likely)

The ICC Prosecutor can initiate an investigation on their own, but this requires:

- Authorization from a Pre-Trial Chamber (a panel of ICC judges)

- A reasonable basis to believe a crime within the Court’s jurisdiction has been committed.

UN Security Council Referral (this is very unlikely given the US and Russia are permanent members)

The UN Security Council can refer a situation to the ICC, even if it involves a country that is not a State Party (e.g., Sudan, Libya). This is how the ICC gained jurisdiction over certain non-member states.

[in2herbs]

1. There is also this option:

In certain situations, the ICC has jurisdiction over the US and its citizens even though the US has not joined the Rome Statute. Some of these situations include when a citizen of a non-member country (US) is connected with war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide on the territory of an ICC member country (El Salvador).

FACT: On 2 June 2016, the International Criminal Court (ICC) held a ceremony to welcome El Salvador as the 124th State Party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

So, F47 is subject to prosecution by the ICC.

[DesertAuthor]

2. OK, but....

Obviously, you're well schooled on the ICC. (I got my info from someone else and I'm not well schooled.) So, in your opinion, is there a chance that an ICC case will be brought against F47? Has anyone in the right place mentioned this? I haven't seen it brought to light except by the guy I quoted and he is doubtful.

[in2herbs]

3. The people at the ICC will not discuss it (for obvious reasons.) When the sh*t hits the fan

I don't think F47 will be of a physical or mental capacity to be prosecuted and that he will never be prosecuted. I believe he will spend his final days in a dementia stupor.

That is not to say he won't be charged, but I believe that the ICC will either bring cases against F47's minions, including the Rs in Congress, or are helping other agencies to gather the evidence for their US arrest and conviction. One of the big problems is that while we know F47 is the ring man he is manipulating others to take the fall. This prevents F47 from being prosecuted and because we don't know when F47 will die if we only go after his minions he will escape arrest, prosecution and live to rule another day. Besides without proof of his manipulation of others asset forfeiture and RICO charges against F47 are not possible. IMO establishing a case for asset forfeiture/RICO is why we are waiting.

IMO Harris, Obama, Biden and others are working behind the scenes with the ICC.

About two months ago the ICC went into a Roman State country and arrested some political figure. I can't remember the details at this moment but it is indicative that the ICC is working on taking down international crime that has tentacles to F47s theft of top secret documents. Searching non-US sources for news is revealing, but much time has to be spent by the reader to connect the dots as to what the various Roman State countries are doing because they are not holding press conferences.

It is likely that Jack Smith took a copy of Vol. 2 with him when he quit the DOJ and that it has a lot more evidence in it than stealing top secret documents.

I think the reason all this is taking so long is because agencies such as the ICC and others are fighting against an international crime syndicate, not just F47 stealing a few top secret documents. How often do you read a news story anymore about F47s document theft? Never.

[DesertAuthor]

4. Hopefully....

Obviously, you've given this some thought and I can't fault any of your opinions. I hope your prescient opinions about ICC's involvement prove to be accurate. I have often thought with all the damage that is taking place and the time frame needed to return to normalcy, someone has to be working under the radar to take the legal steps that will right the ship. Unfortunately, any helpful actions will not be forthcoming quickly, because the strategy has to be very complex.

If F47 and some of his minions are charged, do you think they will be removed from their present positions? I would think that they'd have to be removed so they didn't have the wherewithal to commit further criminal acts , thereby complicating the process of restoration of a functional administration.

Thanks again for your insight. Since you're "in2herbs" I might be asking you for tips growing herbs, because I'm just getting started.

[in2herbs]

5. Yes, I believe they will be removed from their positions and that is one reason I think it is taking so long --

we have to have people in place who can assume authority in order to prevent a total implosion of our democracy. I don't believe these people will be elected and in that event it will appear to be an attempt to overthrow our govt. IMO that is why they are waiting for enough people to realize their mistake in voting for F47 and Rs. It's like balancing the world on the head of a needle. It is reported that the day after the election Harris flew to HI. Know what's in HI? The NSA office.

I don't think the general population can absorb what the Rs are allowing to occur and, IMO, that is our biggest problem. How can any change we hope to make be lasting if the voter does not understand that what they voted for is what is harming them?

I don't grow herbs, I utilize tinctures made from the herbs for healing. There's a gardening section on DU that would be helpful with growing hints.

[DesertAuthor]

6. One more question

The ICC website states that the ICC tries individuals for genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and aggression. Is that the limit if their jurisdiction? If so, F47 and his minions only fall into the crimes against humanity category. IS there more in the Rome Statute that expands their abilities to try for other crimes?