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Van Hollen Announces Departure For El Salvador Tomorrow Morning (Original Post) MayReasonRule Apr 2025 OP
TSF is gonna tell the president bluestarone Apr 2025 #1
Shows guilt................ Lovie777 Apr 2025 #6
Defy Trump! That's what we all need to do. Good for Van Hollen! Jim__ Apr 2025 #2
Thank you Sen be safe. 617Blue Apr 2025 #3
Thank you, Rep. Van Hollen wendyb-NC Apr 2025 #4
My suggestion dweller Apr 2025 #5
I wonder if Trump would arrest a sitting US Senator. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #7
we may be about to find out Mad_Machine76 Apr 2025 #43
Trump is capable of doing it. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #48
Let's BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #49
Yes. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #50
You are right BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #52
Sometimes a crisis situation has to unfold more, or hit bottom for resolution. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #53
Bleak BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #55
Yes I am feeling the same way. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #56
I agree BeerBarrelPolka Apr 2025 #58
I remember the Nixon situation quite clearly. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #59
That Would Be A Beautiful Thing If It Happens MayReasonRule Apr 2025 #45
Fantastic. Passages Apr 2025 #8
Wish he would have others go with him. bluestarone Apr 2025 #9
Need an entire delagation. Falcon101 Apr 2025 #25
Hear, Hear!!! MayReasonRule Apr 2025 #46
I read somewhere that others will go with him. ancianita Apr 2025 #28
He will have security with him. Amaryllis Apr 2025 #44
Good trouble Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #10
My Senator. Kingofalldems Apr 2025 #11
THIS orangecrush Apr 2025 #35
Nah. Courage and spine are needed. I'm not sure he's up to the task. jrthin Apr 2025 #41
The Timid 10 who knee-capped the House and voted for the CR gab13by13 Apr 2025 #57
Sitting here shaking my head. I can't believe they think that's a strategy. jrthin Apr 2025 #61
Very Courageous DET Apr 2025 #12
I was just thinking about the Jonestown attack too. I hope nothing bad will happen. 🤞 Dave Bowman Apr 2025 #31
I hate to say it . . . Richard D Apr 2025 #13
He is on MSNBC right NOW!!! sheshe2 Apr 2025 #14
For Sure Y"all... While I Can't Travel With HIm ... I'll Cheer The Group's Safe Travels And Efforts MayReasonRule Apr 2025 #47
Go - with the thanks of a grateful nation... dchill Apr 2025 #15
I would not rule out the thugs in El Salvador moniss Apr 2025 #16
Hell yeah... ReRe Apr 2025 #19
Yes indeed our very own terrorist moniss Apr 2025 #21
Not sure what this will accomplish. Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #17
Hopefully he will point out where our tax dollars are going. Emile Apr 2025 #23
Ah ok Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #39
Are you suggesting that unless a positive outcome is assured he should do nothing? nt in2herbs Apr 2025 #24
No Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #40
Sadly I agree bottomofthehill Apr 2025 #54
I understand the are trying to get... returnee Apr 2025 #62
Sadly, he will not get CODEL Status bottomofthehill Apr 2025 #63
I see. returnee Apr 2025 #65
freeperville thinks Garcia ia a horrendous gang leader, because their horrendous gangleader says so. lindysalsagal Apr 2025 #18
Well some of us are looking to see Freepers incarcerated too. hadEnuf Apr 2025 #30
God speed, Senator karin_sj Apr 2025 #20
Lemme guess... Quanto Magnus Apr 2025 #22
Bless you, Senator Van Hollen Mtnmama Apr 2025 #26
I am worried about Van Hollen's safety. TNNurse Apr 2025 #27
I strongly urge him to not do this. Frasier Balzov Apr 2025 #29
Me, too! I am extremely fearful of what they will do to him. And anyone who goes with him. wordstroken Apr 2025 #36
I am concerned for his safety too Sanity Claws Apr 2025 #51
Thank you, Senator. Be careful ecstatic Apr 2025 #32
Not smart. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #33
Godspeed orangecrush Apr 2025 #34
I hope he is safe. H2O Man Apr 2025 #37
Whoops! My first read was Van Halen, Abolishinist Apr 2025 #38
LOL I did that, too leftstreet Apr 2025 #64
Gotta tell ya, I wouldn't take bets for a safe return if I was a bookie type Prairie Gates Apr 2025 #42
Godspeed, sir. k_buddy762 Apr 2025 #60

Lovie777

(23,755 posts)
6. Shows guilt................
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:43 PM
Apr 2025

from this effed up administration.

People are fighting back.

dweller

(28,709 posts)
5. My suggestion
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 07:42 PM
Apr 2025

If Van Hollen is able to leave with him , take him to Canada (if they will allow it) and have his family meet him there .
Otherwise he will be arrested immediately upon return here to US


✌🏻

Irish_Dem

(82,386 posts)
48. Trump is capable of doing it.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 06:54 AM
Apr 2025

And making the Senator grovel and give him something to release him.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
49. Let's
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:18 AM
Apr 2025

Let's hope that a senator that has the guts to go to El Salvador would also have to courage to not fold under trump's pressure of being jailed. Time will tell I guess. Personally, I think there's one way and only one way to stop trump.

Irish_Dem

(82,386 posts)
50. Yes.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:23 AM
Apr 2025

But stopping Trump will not solve anything long term.
Just a temporary reprieve.

Trump is the tip of the iceberg.
We have half the US congress, the judiciary, Supreme Court, media, etc all totally onward with a fascist
dictatorship. And all the federal officers who are thrilled to be the new Gestapo. And of course the MAGA
cult, who loves criminal leadership.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
52. You are right
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:28 AM
Apr 2025

It sickens me. Even moreso, I cannot fathom any clue within reason, how to get out of this situation. It seems trump's support (in my neck of the woods) is growing by leaps and bounds.

I pride myself on being a problem solver. This is one I simply cannot deal with presently.

Irish_Dem

(82,386 posts)
53. Sometimes a crisis situation has to unfold more, or hit bottom for resolution.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:39 AM
Apr 2025

Sometimes people are on a path and it is impossible to move them off of it.
Things have to reach a logical conclusion for people to learn some lessons.

I think this is the situation we are in right now.

Of course there is a significant chance that the change is permanent.
And we may have to face the fact that the American people have voted out their democracy
and now want a fascist dictatorship. They no longer want a bill of rights, constitution,
fair elections.

I keep thinking about Ben Franklin who did not think we could keep our democracy.
He was a man of the world and doubted human nature. Perhaps he was 100% right.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
55. Bleak
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:45 AM
Apr 2025

Something unforeseen will happen I'm certain. It's just a matter of what's left once the dust settles....

Irish_Dem

(82,386 posts)
56. Yes I am feeling the same way.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:48 AM
Apr 2025

Something is going to happen no one anticipated.

And then it is a matter of what will be left of our country.
And where do we go from there.

I hope we are wrong, and half of the US wakes the hell up fairly quickly.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
58. I agree
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:55 AM
Apr 2025

I'm too young to really remember Nixon (I was born in 64), but this thing in there now is a full blown maniac. I've never experienced a loose cannon as president like him. Not Reagan, Not Bush II. Anything is possible with this submoron. I, like you, hope the people wake up rapidly and the repub politicians take a stand against him and his ilk.

Irish_Dem

(82,386 posts)
59. I remember the Nixon situation quite clearly.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:04 AM
Apr 2025

I am older than you are.

It was very bad at the time, but Trump makes Nixon look like Mother Theresa in comparison.
Yes Reagan and Bush II were also very bad, but we are in totally new territory right now.
Terrifying and life changing territory.

Yes Trump and his crime syndicate are vicious, ruthless psychopaths who will do anything
for money and power. And they are backed by the wealthy and powerful.

Yes the only chance we have is if the people make enough noise to make the GOP congress
and judiciary actually do the jobs they are paid to do.

Or we watch it all go to its logical conclusion and pick up the pieces at some point.

bluestarone

(22,466 posts)
9. Wish he would have others go with him.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:01 PM
Apr 2025

Just saying. Edit to add my thinking of others is for his safety only.

ancianita

(43,365 posts)
28. I read somewhere that others will go with him.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:57 PM
Apr 2025

Our standup Rep Maxwell Frost of Florida said he would go on the trip and try to recruit House members to join. Two more House members, Representatives Robert Garcia of California and Yassamin Ansari of Arizona, are going. More than one Spanish speaker isimportant at this time.

https://truthout.org/articles/abrego-garcias-senator-vows-to-go-to-el-salvador-if-he-isnt-released/

Iamscrewed

(486 posts)
10. Good trouble
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:04 PM
Apr 2025

Maybe we could get tRump to go somewhere he could get arrested and sent to the Hague.

jrthin

(5,231 posts)
41. Nah. Courage and spine are needed. I'm not sure he's up to the task.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 11:05 PM
Apr 2025

Just kidding...maybe.

gab13by13

(32,789 posts)
57. The Timid 10 who knee-capped the House and voted for the CR
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:55 AM
Apr 2025

have a different strategy. They want Krasnov to burn it all down and then they will win the next election. I heard Schumer say that on Chris Hayes' show.

DET

(2,601 posts)
12. Very Courageous
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:10 PM
Apr 2025

I hope he has some kind of protection with him. I can’t help but think of the Jonestown attack. Many thanks to VanHollen for standing up for Garcia and by extension for all of us.

Dave Bowman

(7,466 posts)
31. I was just thinking about the Jonestown attack too. I hope nothing bad will happen. 🤞
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:11 PM
Apr 2025

MayReasonRule

(4,137 posts)
47. For Sure Y"all... While I Can't Travel With HIm ... I'll Cheer The Group's Safe Travels And Efforts
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 05:46 AM
Apr 2025

There's no such thing as trying.

There is doing.
There is not doing.

This. Is. Doing!

Here's to their safe return!

moniss

(9,150 posts)
16. I would not rule out the thugs in El Salvador
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:21 PM
Apr 2025

trying something as a display of their power while Van Hollen is there. It is a lawless country and has been for many decades. The filth and stench of Kissinger, Abrams etc. is very strong and I suspect some of the same players of the last 50 years are plying their evil still to this day. US officials ran cover for several massacres of villagers etc.

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
19. Hell yeah...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:38 PM
Apr 2025

many of them probably graduated form our own dictator school called "The School of the Americas".

bottomofthehill

(9,424 posts)
54. Sadly I agree
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:40 AM
Apr 2025

They have no authority, they are taking a personal trip. I know it sounds official, but they are not representing the U.S. government. The position of the government is pretty clear.

returnee

(981 posts)
62. I understand the are trying to get...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:51 AM
Apr 2025

…designation as an official congressional delegation, which would afford them some protections. Some repubs joining would also help. All they need to do is get Comer to approve it. Not holding my breath.

bottomofthehill

(9,424 posts)
63. Sadly, he will not get CODEL Status
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:08 PM
Apr 2025

Senator Risch is not going to grant something that the trump admin does not want. Also, he did not announce it as a CODEL (See Below)

Following his request to meet with Salvadoran President Bukele and his announced intent to visit El Salvador earlier this week, U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) released the following statement this evening, announcing his departure for El Salvador tomorrow:

“Following his abduction and unlawful deportation, U.S. federal courts have ordered the safe return of my constituent Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States. It should be a priority of the U.S. government to secure his safe release, which is why tomorrow I am traveling to El Salvador. My hope is to visit Kilmar and check on his wellbeing and to hold constructive conversations with government officials around his release. We must urgently continue working to return Kilmar safely home to Maryland.”

returnee

(981 posts)
65. I see.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:22 PM
Apr 2025

I was speaking about Garcia in the House. I thought they were trying to make plans for joint trip under CODEL.

lindysalsagal

(22,999 posts)
18. freeperville thinks Garcia ia a horrendous gang leader, because their horrendous gangleader says so.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 08:34 PM
Apr 2025

They are hoping the entire contingent will also become incarcerated.

hadEnuf

(3,657 posts)
30. Well some of us are looking to see Freepers incarcerated too.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:10 PM
Apr 2025

We need to have the attitude that if these fascists even blink we will be on them like white on rice.

Mtnmama

(167 posts)
26. Bless you, Senator Van Hollen
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 09:34 PM
Apr 2025

and thank you for showing humanity and courage during this unforgivable act of evil trump and his administration are perpetrating. God be with you.

Frasier Balzov

(5,108 posts)
29. I strongly urge him to not do this.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:01 PM
Apr 2025

If he is detained there, Trump won't lift a finger to rescue him.

wordstroken

(1,406 posts)
36. Me, too! I am extremely fearful of what they will do to him. And anyone who goes with him.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:27 PM
Apr 2025

Please be safe Senator. 🙏

Sanity Claws

(22,440 posts)
51. I am concerned for his safety too
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:27 AM
Apr 2025

I am sure he has thought about this and knows the risks. He probably has made some plans or arrangements if this happens. The plans may not save him but will keep the news front and center. Or so I hope.

ecstatic

(35,135 posts)
32. Thank you, Senator. Be careful
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:13 PM
Apr 2025

I truly believe that we're dealing with a super corrupt criminal and homicidal administration. Now that they've gotten away with so much so far, it won't be long before detainments and executions begin.

I mean, who is going to stop them?

trump ended today with more market manipulation. OBVIOUS insider trading. But he fired the watchdogs... so now what?

valleyrogue

(2,795 posts)
33. Not smart.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 10:19 PM
Apr 2025

I remember too well what happened with Leo Ryan visiting Guyana back in 1978.

Foolhardy and dangerous this idea is, and with no evidence Garcia is even alive.

Prairie Gates

(8,479 posts)
42. Gotta tell ya, I wouldn't take bets for a safe return if I was a bookie type
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 11:07 PM
Apr 2025


This is like the mission to Jonestown. Be careful on the runway, homie!

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