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RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 06:52 AM Apr 2025

unpopular opinion perhaps

I find the Blue Origin orbital flight with Katy Perry and the rest to be wholly out of touch and a gross flaunting of wealth. This needs to be condemned not applauded.

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unpopular opinion perhaps (Original Post) RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 OP
I agree completely questionseverything Apr 2025 #1
Same here. Not even one woman astronaut aboard for appearance of command and control... brush Apr 2025 #56
As do I. NJCher Apr 2025 #2
I will say if they were men of industry, we wouldn't give this as much negative attention. 58Sunliner Apr 2025 #3
Think of the emissions for a freaking joy ride questionseverything Apr 2025 #4
To Be Fair... ProfessorGAC Apr 2025 #10
Exactly Rebl2 Apr 2025 #67
I was disappointed that Oprah was at the send off MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #9
Unpopular but imo, Oprah is an idiot. Money seems to confer smartness jrthin Apr 2025 #60
I don't think you can do what she had done in life and be an idiot. MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #82
Is it? RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #87
I totally agree. She showed up at the convention but did not move the needle for Kamala. jrthin Apr 2025 #89
She's really famous and a lot of people will listen to her MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #91
absolutely I will RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #92
In principle, I agree with you. But... slightlv Apr 2025 #110
We have to stop worrying about the narratives Republicans come up with MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #141
Case and point, we have an idiot in the WH, yet he's smart enough jrthin Apr 2025 #90
He was smart enought to pan to stupid people mdbl Apr 2025 #97
He wasn't smart enough. He was dumb enough for Putin MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #107
Well, I'll be unpopular, too. hamsterjill Apr 2025 #120
I know little of her justsomeguy01 Apr 2025 #94
Welcome to DU, justsomeguy01! calimary Apr 2025 #118
Geez. Well I didn't know Gail was going too. Dubious merit. 58Sunliner Apr 2025 #95
Ugh RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #13
They didn't actually orbit the earth. cab67 Apr 2025 #27
We'll agree to disagree. Didn't know it was only 10 minutes. 58Sunliner Apr 2025 #121
I think we actually agree. cab67 Apr 2025 #134
Bezos absolutely got clowned for his own flight Sympthsical Apr 2025 #64
Well yes we would Figarosmom Apr 2025 #101
They all wore the same space suit. Even men in the public domain wear make-up and groom. 58Sunliner Apr 2025 #122
While slashing the NASA budget. LisaM Apr 2025 #5
I agree. That was just gross. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #6
Just curious... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #7
Trump gives to charities. He even tax deducted that he gave $14 to the Boy Scouts of Am --- What? 3Hotdogs Apr 2025 #16
Bezos' charitable giving focuses on two initiatives: climate change and homelessness onenote Apr 2025 #36
Bezos has given far less than he promised he would. yardwork Apr 2025 #40
Link? onenote Apr 2025 #41
Sorry. I'm offering a professional opinion. yardwork Apr 2025 #42
So what you seemingly stated as fact is just opinion? onenote Apr 2025 #44
Thanks for posting that article, which confirms my opinion. yardwork Apr 2025 #46
I mentioned in my original post that his giving was just a small percentage of his net worth. onenote Apr 2025 #49
Progressive taxation Cirsium Apr 2025 #109
You have a strange concept of logic. onenote Apr 2025 #111
Sorry you can't see the connection Cirsium Apr 2025 #113
Apparently in your view of the world, factual information in response to a question is "praising" Bezos onenote Apr 2025 #114
No idea Cirsium Apr 2025 #139
$4.1 billion is a ton Polybius Apr 2025 #75
I'd kiss his rear Cirsium Apr 2025 #108
He doesn't owe anyone anything Polybius Apr 2025 #128
Americans are so math challenged Cirsium Apr 2025 #138
I don't care Polybius Apr 2025 #140
You can't be serious Cirsium Apr 2025 #142
Far greater percentage, perhaps Polybius Apr 2025 #143
Let's use some logic here Cirsium Apr 2025 #144
A bunch of women in a flying cock 😀 shelshaw Apr 2025 #8
Ha... perfect. FalloutShelter Apr 2025 #30
Bezos' penchant krkaufman Apr 2025 #35
Flesh Gordon JoseBalow Apr 2025 #98
LOL! shelshaw Apr 2025 #105
Someone said it was a flying Hitachi Wand. GoneOffShore Apr 2025 #132
Here's how one female British columnist reviewed the flight (hint: she was not kind). TheRickles Apr 2025 #11
Holy shit. If ya ain't read this, stop whatever you're doing..... 3Hotdogs Apr 2025 #21
Or Molly Ivins - Ms Hyde has the gift. GoneOffShore Apr 2025 #133
And this one sees the flight as "the utter defeat of American feminism" TheRickles Apr 2025 #22
A thoroughly depressing article. niyad Apr 2025 #57
Yeah, Katy Perry saying she was 'putting the ass in astronaut' is probably not helping the cause. nt kelly1mm Apr 2025 #63
World class scathe! NewHendoLib Apr 2025 #29
I had to doublecheck to make sure that wasn't The Onion.⁹ niyad Apr 2025 #52
"they didn't even have transportation in 1933". A comment from one of the lesser niyad Apr 2025 #62
The whole billionaire vanity space program fad is epic Roman decadence. Gaugamela Apr 2025 #12
That was my first thought as well. nt thucythucy Apr 2025 #37
Totally Agree LovelyStuff Apr 2025 #14
Welcome to DU, LovelyStuff! calimary Apr 2025 #119
Space Shuttle Challenger no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #15
On Space Shuttle Columbia's last flight. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2025 #47
Ditto malaise Apr 2025 #17
America the flauntiful. twodogsbarking Apr 2025 #18
I found it to be obscene as well. NNadir Apr 2025 #19
Was actually embarrassed by it. Especially when they were heard screaming like little allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #20
Agreed. Buddyzbuddy Apr 2025 #23
This flight accomplished nothing genxlib Apr 2025 #24
I agree Pototan Apr 2025 #25
I was totally disgusted at the stunt pulled by rich spoiled entitled women. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #26
I completely agree NewHendoLib Apr 2025 #28
I agree 100% k_buddy762 Apr 2025 #31
Perhaps that was symbolic of her sudden Conjuay Apr 2025 #45
Welcome to DU, k_buddy762! calimary Apr 2025 #123
It's a sideshow distraction! Hope22 Apr 2025 #32
I thought it was a silly little stunt, but getting upset about it seems even sillier. tritsofme Apr 2025 #33
Absolutely alarimer Apr 2025 #34
Meh/ Happy Hoosier Apr 2025 #38
What benefits? Conjuay Apr 2025 #43
REALLY? Happy Hoosier Apr 2025 #50
Tang! Space Food Sticks! Maeve Apr 2025 #59
Air flight has always been a rich man's game Farmer-Rick Apr 2025 #48
Yep. But commercial air travel in the 20's and 30's should not be discounted... NT Happy Hoosier Apr 2025 #51
Are you kidding? Sending six self-absorbed women to the edge of space in the most phallic rocket... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 2025 #39
Welcome to DU, Ol Janx Spirit! calimary Apr 2025 #124
I totally agree with you. I view them all as vile, frivolous creatures. jrthin Apr 2025 #53
Agree 100%. Found this on Facebook: Ocelot II Apr 2025 #54
A stunt, pure and simple. Prairie_Seagull Apr 2025 #55
I'll let Amanda Nguyen slide Sympthsical Apr 2025 #58
Monday Nights CBS news lead Jughead Apr 2025 #61
Welcome to DU, Jughead! calimary Apr 2025 #125
Thanks Jughead Apr 2025 #136
Next up: porn actors (or UFC brawlers) doing doing their zero-G thing on pay per view Ponietz Apr 2025 #65
Agreed Rebl2 Apr 2025 #66
Very true get the red out Apr 2025 #68
Goes without saying. Out of touch out in space. dchill Apr 2025 #69
Lost in Space remake is a reality show Ponietz Apr 2025 #76
Agreed. At best, FoxNewsSucks Apr 2025 #70
But, but, but... Cirsium Apr 2025 #71
Katy Perry and Gayle King... ToxMarz Apr 2025 #72
For me the best part was seeing Bezos fall in that hole kimbutgar Apr 2025 #73
I posted years ago..... Mustellus Apr 2025 #74
I'm not so sure it's an unpopular opinion. MIButterfly Apr 2025 #77
It's inspiring girls and women to become scientists and astronauts GoreWon2000 Apr 2025 #78
How exactly is Katy Perry and Gayle King going on a joyride for 11 minutes inspiring girls and women MIButterfly Apr 2025 #103
I agree. Blue Origin did it a few years ago and I thought then it was flaunting wealth. OLDMDDEM Apr 2025 #79
RJ-MacReady........... Upthevibe Apr 2025 #80
I guess I am in the minority serbbral Apr 2025 #81
Mostly a vanity project dutch777 Apr 2025 #83
But this means that Katy Perry can now tour with a tacky stage set where she rides a flaming penis paulkienitz Apr 2025 #84
Who was the beneficiary other than Bezos? Passages Apr 2025 #85
At least this flight didn't have William Shatner on it. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2025 #86
Fully agree. mzmolly Apr 2025 #88
That self-indulgent 10-minute billionaire thrill ride is being universally roasted on social media. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #93
I agree. ... aggiesal Apr 2025 #96
B.S. Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #99
Welcome to DU, Iamscrewed! calimary Apr 2025 #115
Yeah i thought it was dumb Figarosmom Apr 2025 #100
Imo civilians should not be involved in this type of thing Meowmee Apr 2025 #102
Blue Origin blizzard49 Apr 2025 #104
Welcome to DU, blizzard49! calimary Apr 2025 #116
jkthom jkthom Apr 2025 #106
Welcome to DU, jkthom! calimary Apr 2025 #117
Yup. I also agree. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Apr 2025 #112
The best moment Katy Perry has had, from "The Interview" tirebiter Apr 2025 #126
I agree... Mike Nelson Apr 2025 #127
That's nothing Polybius Apr 2025 #129
American Space Museum in Titusville, Florida mama Apr 2025 #130
Meh. It's their money, they can spend it as they want to... even if it seems foolish and extravagant to others. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2025 #131
OT, Thanks to our own calimary for making new folks Prairie_Seagull Apr 2025 #135
as an aging Gen-X'er... cab67 Apr 2025 #137
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
56. Same here. Not even one woman astronaut aboard for appearance of command and control...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:55 AM
Apr 2025

appearance being the 'key' word because one was not needed for the brief sub-orbital, 10-minute joy ride.

58Sunliner

(6,329 posts)
3. I will say if they were men of industry, we wouldn't give this as much negative attention.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:04 AM
Apr 2025

They are women with careers who have chosen to orbit the planet. Not a good use of resources, and the attempt by Bezos and his partner to use this as a pr stunt given that Bezos and his partner bent their knees to a fascist rapist, is nauseating. Katy Perry looks tone deaf and complicit for not understanding that she is normalizing them.

ProfessorGAC

(76,695 posts)
10. To Be Fair...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:33 AM
Apr 2025

...half of their rocket motors are non-emitting. They use liquid hydrogen & oxygen, so the emissions are water.
The other half use methane, so there are CO2 emissions galore.
I don't know, however, which motor was used for this needless joy ride.
I agree with the sentiment that these celebrities are being tone deaf.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
9. I was disappointed that Oprah was at the send off
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:31 AM
Apr 2025

Women in space not as important as refusing to align yourself with Nazis right now.
Oprah of all people should know better.

jrthin

(5,223 posts)
60. Unpopular but imo, Oprah is an idiot. Money seems to confer smartness
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:10 AM
Apr 2025

to people who have it. She's a good show biz person, let's not extend that to other talents.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
82. I don't think you can do what she had done in life and be an idiot.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:37 PM
Apr 2025

She showed up for Kamala. She knows right from wrong and her influence is important. This was a major oversight.

 

RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
87. Is it?
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:10 PM
Apr 2025

Is Oprahs influence really important to Democrats? I disagree. In fact I feel the party needs to distance themselves from celebrities.

jrthin

(5,223 posts)
89. I totally agree. She showed up at the convention but did not move the needle for Kamala.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:44 PM
Apr 2025

Further, Oprah has said she is an independent, not a democrat.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
91. She's really famous and a lot of people will listen to her
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:55 PM
Apr 2025

We have a lot of celebrities willing to help our cause, and too many billionares supporting the other side.
You going to turn your nose up at Oprah and other celebrities to be pure?
We need everyone we can get.

 

RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
92. absolutely I will
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:00 PM
Apr 2025

Being cozy with celebrities hurts us. It gives ammo to the narrative Democrats arw the elites. Example being Harris bringing out Beyonce, sorry but that kind of stuff does not bring in a single new voter. Nor does palling around with Oprah and other celebrities. We don't need their help since it's a net negative for our side.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
110. In principle, I agree with you. But...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:47 PM
Apr 2025

I disagree with the "narrative Democrats are the elites." That "narrative" carries weight because WE NEVER fought back against it. Period. You want elite? You can't get much more elite than a billionaire or a trillionaire, yet those all on the republican side. We "went high" and didn't do the same thing to them and the R's that the R's continually did to us. Frankly, I don't think aligning with anyone who is really of like mind... no matter how rich, famous, or poor they are... is necessarily a bad thing. It CAN bring more eyes to an issue, and accomplish other good when the "celebrity" is all in for the cause. I'm thinking of three heavy duty hitters (all male) who have founded world-wide organizations for one dismal issue after another in other countries at this point. It may be we'd be generous and allow them to concentrate focus on our problems here at home for a change. But they can be assured of being blacklisted in trumps America... just as it was during the Red Scare.

The bigger issue is not who is elite and who isn't and who is or is not yelling it the loudest. It's that for decades we Democrats (and Independents) have let the republicans get away with trash talking until now, the ultmost trash talker has set himself up as Prez. I'll stand behind anyone who raises their voice for our cause(s). I don't care who they are... I welcome their support.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
141. We have to stop worrying about the narratives Republicans come up with
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:22 PM
Apr 2025

We will always be Commies, Woke, Elite, etc. Even while they are only for billionaires and cozying up to the KGB.
There is no convincing them, they will always slander us because they don't have real issues to campaign on.

I agree with welcoming the support of all who will join our cause. This must include even Republicans come over late to our cause even though we are mad at them for voting Trump in in the first place. We only succeed if we win some of them over and shaming them for not figuring it out in the first place won't help. We are going to need a very wide net to get our democracy back. This is not the time to pick and choose who we welcome in.



jrthin

(5,223 posts)
90. Case and point, we have an idiot in the WH, yet he's smart enough
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:49 PM
Apr 2025

to get elected. Life is full of people who are talented in one particular area of their life yet a complete moron in the other areas. We have doctors who are highly skilled in their field, yet a complete idiot in conversations with them. Further, Oprah has said she is an independent, and not a democrat..

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
97. He was smart enought to pan to stupid people
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 04:23 PM
Apr 2025

I guess politics in America is just for the idiocracy now. There was always a fringe group but it's mainstream now. Pass the Brawndo.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
107. He wasn't smart enough. He was dumb enough for Putin
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:30 PM
Apr 2025

to groom him as his puppet. He still doesn't know that the purpose of Putin's advice is to destroy America, not to help Trump.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
120. Well, I'll be unpopular, too.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:45 PM
Apr 2025

Oprah dries me nuts with her couch psychology. She has the answer for everything it seems. Well, I'm not too sure about that.

And I'm never going to forgive her for Dr. Oz.

justsomeguy01

(48 posts)
94. I know little of her
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:22 PM
Apr 2025

I have always had the impression that she is far more about social justice, and is fully on board with economic injustice. Same for Ellen D. Sad.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
118. Welcome to DU, justsomeguy01!
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:16 PM
Apr 2025

It certainly can feel disillusioned. But then again, that's why it's good that you're here! LOTS of shared disillusionment but also a fair amount of empathy!

 

RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
13. Ugh
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:43 AM
Apr 2025

Her kissing the ground was cringworthy and I dislike that term. The height of performative over exaggeration.

cab67

(3,749 posts)
27. They didn't actually orbit the earth.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:16 AM
Apr 2025

It was a 10-minute suborbital flight.

If they were all men, the relative lack of negative attention wouldn't be because they're men - it would be because there wouldn't be much attention at all.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
64. Bezos absolutely got clowned for his own flight
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:51 AM
Apr 2025

The Dr. Evil penis rocket memes went on for weeks.

Figarosmom

(11,979 posts)
101. Well yes we would
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 06:14 PM
Apr 2025

Especially if the were dressed in skin tight suits and full on makeup and hair.

LisaM

(29,633 posts)
5. While slashing the NASA budget.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:16 AM
Apr 2025

I agree completely and it lowers my opinion of Katy Perry and Gayle King.

GiqueCee

(4,252 posts)
7. Just curious...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:27 AM
Apr 2025

... is there a comprehensive list of charities to which Bozo has contributed? If there is, I'll bet it's quite short.

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
16. Trump gives to charities. He even tax deducted that he gave $14 to the Boy Scouts of Am --- What?
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:49 AM
Apr 2025

It was determined that the $14 was Eric's Boy Scout dues?

Fuck. Sorry for wasting your time.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
36. Bezos' charitable giving focuses on two initiatives: climate change and homelessness
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:06 AM
Apr 2025

He's donated several billion dollars and while that may only be a small percentage of his net worth, it's not peanuts. And he's committed to giving away most of his fortune.

If you want more info, I suggest Google.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
40. Bezos has given far less than he promised he would.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:18 AM
Apr 2025

I don't know that he's actually given away billions. He's one of the billionaires (there are others) who have made a big show of setting up foundations to give away their wealth to solve the world's problems, but in actuality have given little.

I suspect it's all a tax dodge. In contrast, there are billionaires (Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, others) who set up professionally staffed foundations with regular funding cycles. They do what they said they'd do.

And Bezos's ex-wife is extremely generous.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
42. Sorry. I'm offering a professional opinion.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:20 AM
Apr 2025

You're welcome to look up all their foundations, pull their 990s for the past 5 years, and make your own assessment.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
46. Thanks for posting that article, which confirms my opinion.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:28 AM
Apr 2025
Jeff Bezos—worth an estimated $250 billion—moved up one slot with lifetime giving of $4.1 billion, notably the smallest percentage (1.6 percent) of his wealth of any among the top 25.

Now here's a trade secret. Look up where Bezos has actually given that money and see if you think it's legit.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
49. I mentioned in my original post that his giving was just a small percentage of his net worth.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:37 AM
Apr 2025

Maybe you missed that.

And none of the recipients listed in the linked article appear to be anything other than legit. But if you have facts -- not unsubstantiated opinion and speculation -- to the contrary, please share.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
109. Progressive taxation
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:45 PM
Apr 2025

Are you opposed to progressive taxation?

Do you agree with the Republicans that the wealthy contribute the most to the government budget and should therefore get a break?

After all, that is the logical extension of your remarks.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
111. You have a strange concept of logic.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:23 PM
Apr 2025

For the record, I support progressive taxation. I can’t think of a single thing the republicans believe that I agree with.

Now may I ask you a question?
How does my providing factual information about Bezos’ charitable contributions in response to a post that expressed curiosity about those contributions logically result in your highly insulting and plainly offensive assumptions about my views on taxation?

Maybe you were just sleep deprived when you posted. One might conclude that is the logical extension of your remarks.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
113. Sorry you can't see the connection
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:59 PM
Apr 2025

You are the one defending Bezos and attacking those who disagree with you, so don't start playing the victim.

It is the percentage of one's wealth that matters, not the raw dollar amount, and the wealthier the person the less of an impact it has on them to donate a higher percentage. That was all that people pointed out to you. The same principle applies to taxation.

We won't even get into the tax benefits and public relations value for wealthy people to toss around some crumbs from their very expansive and luxurious table.

I am surprised that you are surprised that you get push back here when you praise Bezos.

I don't have a "concept of logic" whatever that is. I am applying logic. Sorry you feel insulted and offended by that.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
114. Apparently in your view of the world, factual information in response to a question is "praising" Bezos
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:07 PM
Apr 2025

I suppose you would prefer for folks on DU to lie and make shit up rather than have this be a place where people can get questions answered truthfully and accurately.

And, as pointed out in my original post as well as in a subsequent post, I noted that Bezos' contributions were only a small percentage of his net worth. Maybe you missed those posts? Maybe you just felt it fit your narrative to ignore them

Says a lot about you. None of it good.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
139. No idea
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:00 PM
Apr 2025

No idea what you are on about nor why you are attacking me.

No one is lying nor making shit up about Bezo's.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
108. I'd kiss his rear
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:40 PM
Apr 2025

We should be grateful for the crumbs he throws us, unworthy as we are.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
128. He doesn't owe anyone anything
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:47 AM
Apr 2025

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:18 PM - Edit history (1)

$4.1 billion could feed millions for generations. Hardly crumbs.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
138. Americans are so math challenged
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:53 PM
Apr 2025

It is less than 2% of his hoard. What don't you get about that? He gave $4.1 billion? That means he is hoarding $211 billion.

The whole charity racket is a bunch of bs anyway, and I can't believe that any Democrats would praise and defend Bezos like this. He is a modern day robber baron. The existence of billionaires is incompatible with democracy, small "d" let alone capital "D."

Public needs should be met with public programs funded from the public treasury. The process should be democratic, not determined by one man who is controlling more wealth tha half of the US population.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
140. I don't care
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:18 PM
Apr 2025

He contributed $4.1 billion more than 99.999999% of the rest of the country. He didn't have to contribute anything.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
142. You can't be serious
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:43 AM
Apr 2025

Most of us contribute a far greater percentage of our money to help others. Far more, and it requires a much greater sacrifice for us. Since working class people are more generous than the wealthy, if Bezos paid people decent wages, then much more money would go to help others, it just wouldn't make the news and it wouldn't capture the attention and admiration of people with poor reasoning skills.

You don't care, though, as you said.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
143. Far greater percentage, perhaps
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 12:35 PM
Apr 2025

But certainly not far greater than $4.1. As for wages, he does pays decent. Average position is $22 per hour. Minimum wage is $15 or less in most states.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
144. Let's use some logic here
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:36 PM
Apr 2025

If working class people give a higher percentage of their income to help others, then if workers got a greater share of the profits generated by their work more money would go to help others. Money that is poured into the pockets of Bezos, therefore, means less charitable giving, not more.

As far as Bezos and the Amazon workers, I am supposed that any Democrats would defend the robber baron and Union buster.

How Amazon Is Taking Its Union-Busting to New Heights

Organizers describe fear tactics, amped-up security, and daily town halls as workers vote on whether to unionize.

Leading up to the election, Amazon has deployed its now-familiar union-busting arsenal to quash the worker-led movement at the nearly 5,000-person warehouse. Managers and HR professionals from across the country have flown in to patrol the shop floor and repeat anti-union talking points in small group meetings and warehouse-wide town halls. The company erected metal barricades between CAUSE’s tent and the warehouse. An anti-union video plays on an endless loop in the break room. “This place is starting to turn into a labor camp,” said Italo Medelius, an RDU1 worker and organizer with CAUSE.

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/amazon-union-busting-north-carolina/

Amazon to pay $1.9 million to migrant contract workers to settle claims of human rights abuses

Amazon will pay $1.9 million to more than 700 contract migrant workers to address claims they were exposed to exploitative labor conditions. A report from Amnesty International and a separate investigation last year alleged abuses at Amazon warehouses in Saudi Arabia. Workers employed by third-party recruiting agencies faced exploitative contracts and squalid living conditions.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/23/amazon-to-pay-1point9-million-in-contract-worker-exploitation-settlement.html

US Department of Labor finds Amazon exposed workers to unsafe conditions
The U.S. Department of Labor today announced that its Occupational Safety and Health Administration has issued citations at three more Amazon warehouses – in Aurora, Colorado; Nampa, Idaho; and Castleton, New York – for failing to keep workers safe and delivered hazard alert letters for exposing workers to ergonomic hazards.

https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/osha/osha20230201-0

Amazon Worker Rights: Issues At Home And Abroad

The median wage for American Amazon employees in 2018 was $35,096, an increase from the previous year in large part due to Amazon increasing its company minimum wage to $15/hour. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezo’s net worth is estimated around $165 billion, in large part of his share of Amazon stock. And while that net worth will decline temporarily by $38 billion owing to his divorce, it will increase again if Amazon stock continues its steady rise in value. By contrast, NPR notes that an Amazon employee making the minimum wage would need to work for 133 hours (or over three weeks) in order to afford one share of Amazon stock.

Reports depicting the grueling work conditions in Amazon warehouses, especially during seasonal sales, have continually dogged Amazon. Workers report long hours, timed bathroom breaks, surveillance of work productivity/speed, intense isolation from others, physically demanding quotas, and other difficult conditions to work under. These working conditions take a physical and mental toll on the workers, who are often treated more as a data set or a robot than as humans.

Amazon’s troubling labor abuses aren’t limited to their warehouses either. Amazon’s corporate offices have their share of toxic workplace cultures too. A 2015 expose on Amazon’s offices described an office that prioritized productivity and efficacy over all else, pushing their employees to physical, mental, and emotional limits. One employee was sent on a business trip the day after a miscarriage; another was put on a “performance improvement plan” while struggling with breast cancer. Employees shared experiences such has having their personal and working lives monitored, demanding work schedules, and a competitive workplace culture where employees were encouraged to sacrifice themselves – and their coworkers – in order to advance.

https://www.greenamerica.org/amazon-labor-exploitation-home-and-abroad

Sanders Calls for Investigation Into Amazon’s Labor Abuses

“Greed, in my view, is like a sickness. It is like an addiction. How else do you explain the mindset of Amazon, one of the wealthiest companies on the planet, run by Jeff Bezos, the wealthiest person on earth? The only thing these people care about is making more profit—they don’t give a damn if that means deliberately harming the human beings who work in their warehouses.

“It is unconscionable that in 2019, these Amazon warehouse workers are exposed to unrelenting physical demands, hazardous conditions, and even surveillance. And then, as they’re coping with serious work injuries, Amazon is working to conceal that information.

“I am demanding that the Department of Labor immediately investigate this rampant abuse. The American people will not stand for the obscenity of seeing Amazon warehouse workers die on the job and suffer injuries at double the levels of the rest of the industry, all just to line the pockets of Bezos and his rich friends.”

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/amazons-labor-abuses-are-more-appalling-than-you-think/

A Hard-Hitting Investigative Report Into Amazon Shows That Workers’ Needs Were Neglected In Favor Of Getting Goods Delivered Quickly

When you are running a far-flung global enterprise, employing over one million people, it's understandable that issues will arise. When you start to see a continual pattern, it's time to consider if the mistakes are purposely overlooked or if there is something else happening. A New York Times investigative report delved into allegations that Amazon has been systematically shortchanging workers on their paychecks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/10/25/a-hard-hitting-investigative-report-into-amazon-shows-that-workers-needs-were-neglected-in-favor-of-getting-goods-delivered-quickly/

Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers Into Brutal ‘Megacycle’ Shifts

On January 25, hundreds of workers at an Amazon warehouse in Chicago were presented with a baffling choice: sign up for a ten-and-a-half-hour graveyard shift, or lose your job. Management informed workers that their warehouse, known as DCH1, would be shut down, and they were being offered a shift that runs from 1:20am to 11:50am, which is known as “megacycle,” at a new Chicago warehouse.

The ultimatum presented to workers at DCH1 reflects a broader strategy in the U.S. for Amazon. The company has been quietly transitioning warehouse workers at delivery stations nationwide to the “megacycle” shift in recent months. The megacycle shift collapses shorter shifts into one 10-hour shift that begins around 1 am and ends around lunchtime. It’s unclear where the term megacycle originated but it’s used by both managers and workers to describe 10-hour graveyard shifts, workers tell Motherboard. An Amazon spokesperson told Motherboard that more than half of its last-mile delivery network has already transitioned to the new model.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/amazon-is-forcing-its-warehouse-workers-into-brutal-megacycle-shifts/

TheRickles

(3,383 posts)
11. Here's how one female British columnist reviewed the flight (hint: she was not kind).
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:38 AM
Apr 2025

She describes how the flight "broke boundaries and set records in the spouting of girlboss gibberish".

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/15/lauren-sanchez-katy-perry-space-blue-origin-female-flight|

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
21. Holy shit. If ya ain't read this, stop whatever you're doing.....
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:55 AM
Apr 2025

Hunter Thompson couldn't have summed it up better.

GoneOffShore

(18,020 posts)
133. Or Molly Ivins - Ms Hyde has the gift.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:04 AM
Apr 2025

There's also some excellent snark in the comments section.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
63. Yeah, Katy Perry saying she was 'putting the ass in astronaut' is probably not helping the cause. nt
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:23 AM
Apr 2025

niyad

(132,440 posts)
62. "they didn't even have transportation in 1933". A comment from one of the lesser
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:19 AM
Apr 2025

(is there any other kind???) kardashians, khloe, about the 92-year-old grandfather of one of the women being at the site of the launch.

no_hypocrisy

(54,905 posts)
15. Space Shuttle Challenger
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:46 AM
Apr 2025

THESE were astronauts who happened to be female, and who paid the price for their tenacity:

Sharon Christa McAuliffe was an American teacher and astronaut from Concord, New Hampshire who died on the Space Shuttle Challenger on mission STS-51-L, where she was serving as a payload specialist.

Judith Arlene Resnik was an American electrical engineer, software engineer, biomedical engineer, pilot and NASA astronaut who died in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. She was the fourth woman, the second American woman and the first Jewish woman of any nationality to fly in space, logging 145 hours in orbit.

DinahMoeHum

(23,604 posts)
47. On Space Shuttle Columbia's last flight. . .
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:30 AM
Apr 2025

Feb 1, 2003. . .

Kalpana Chawla was an aerospace engineer and mission specialist

Laurel Clark was a medical doctor, flight surgeon, and mission specialist

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
20. Was actually embarrassed by it. Especially when they were heard screaming like little
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:55 AM
Apr 2025

children. A bit too much of a stunt intended to stroke egos.

genxlib

(6,135 posts)
24. This flight accomplished nothing
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 07:58 AM
Apr 2025

It did not advance science, space exploration or feminism.

You could even say that including Bezos mistress is a leap back for feminism.

The only thing it did advance was PR and it would seem much of that has been negative.

Irish_Dem

(81,259 posts)
26. I was totally disgusted at the stunt pulled by rich spoiled entitled women.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:06 AM
Apr 2025

I cannot understand the accolades.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
123. Welcome to DU, k_buddy762!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:51 AM
Apr 2025

Boy were there a lot of new members on this thread!

Glad you're with us here, too, k_buddy762!

Hope22

(4,746 posts)
32. It's a sideshow distraction!
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:45 AM
Apr 2025

They got nothing!!! New pastime for the extremely wealthy…..scare themselves silly to feel alive while the rest of us can hardly breathe day In and day out!

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
33. I thought it was a silly little stunt, but getting upset about it seems even sillier.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:50 AM
Apr 2025

Frankly, who cares? This is the equivalent to celebrity gossip as far as I’m concerned.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
34. Absolutely
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:50 AM
Apr 2025

Nothing but a stunt by rich people. Not empowering, since they did nothing resembling actual science.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
38. Meh/
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:15 AM
Apr 2025

Airplanes uised to be rich peoples' toys too. Still are in a large sense, but the advances they hel;ped push benefited all of us.

Such displays of wealth can and DO help drive advancements, and I see no benefit in wagging a finger at them.

Condemend? Why? WE need to avoif being absolutel prigs in my opinion.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
50. REALLY?
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:40 AM
Apr 2025

Holy crap mu dude... space exploration has given us:
Communications Satellites
WEATHER satellites
LANDSAT
GPS
A myriad of advancements in chemistry
A greater understanding of planetary science
Knowledge about human performance (my local university has been involved in a human performance study that studies how exercise works.... including tissue samples/test results from 8 astronauts.)

And a less tangible but equally importnt factor: It inspired people like me to become engneers and scientists.

AND TONS OF OTHER STUFF.

Maeve

(43,456 posts)
59. Tang! Space Food Sticks!
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:08 AM
Apr 2025

No, seriously...weather, GPS, communications...so many side benefits of space exploration including some of the developments you are using right now connectng to the internet.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
48. Air flight has always been a rich man's game
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:33 AM
Apr 2025

It wasn't until the government started using planes for mail did it become profitable. And then of course they are great for war. So, keeping an airline industry is useful for the military.

Without government funding and subsidies, the airlines wouldn't be making much profit. Even as it is their profits are between 2 to 3 percent. It's a sham "private" industry. You pay for it twice. You pay through your taxes and you pay through your tickets, fees and uncomfortable seating. But it's blessed by fake capitalists who use your tax dollars like toilet paper.

It's what will happen with space flight. A rich man's game secretly funded by the government to allow development for war.

Ol Janx Spirit

(1,012 posts)
39. Are you kidding? Sending six self-absorbed women to the edge of space in the most phallic rocket...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:17 AM
Apr 2025

...ever devised was pure comic genius! I laughed so hard at the entire spectacle that I still don't think I've recovered. They delivered their lines perfectly--right up to Katy kissing the ground like she'd been held hostage in Iran for 444 days. Comic perfection.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
124. Welcome to DU, Ol Janx Spirit!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:54 AM
Apr 2025

Irony lives, doesn't it? And lives VERY WELL, I might add.

Ocelot II

(130,528 posts)
54. Agree 100%. Found this on Facebook:
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:49 AM
Apr 2025
There's plenty of ways to describe six wealthy celebrities experiencing zero gravity for 11 minutes, but it's definitely not a moment for women empowerment or a scientific achievement, as the media are so desperate to sell.

No, what we witnessed in Jeff Bezos' for-profit Blue Origin space adventure was perhaps the most conspicuous exploitation of female imagery to bolster the reputations of the oligarchs—almost all of whom are violent men.
Katy Perry said of her flight that she felt 'connected' more than ever and hoped her efforts wouldn't only 'take up space, but to make space.' This sort of faux feminist babble might pass the muster on Good Morning America, but let's recount the ways this spectacle was one of the most audacious displays of power by the billionaire class.
Today is Tax Day, otherwise known as the day that people who make $30-150k fork over a quarter of their income so that the richest people on earth like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos can dodge taxes and pay next to nothing. To be clear, Elon Musk doesn't even want to go to Mars, the whole thing is a massive ploy so SpaceX can collect tens of billions in government handouts every year, all while paying next to zero in federal taxes. When you've dismantled NASA and FAA, made yourself the only provider, and you personally install the president and pick the head of NASA, you can't lose. Easy money.

If the billionaires came out and just said the truth, not a single person would support them. So y'all are going to bilk the public coffers of tens of billions, every year, pay no taxes, and then pilfer off a bunch for yourselves?!?! Who in their right mind would support this? This is where the deceptively curated group of sexy, Brown, Black, Asian, and plastic women assume their expected roles. All the colors of the Girl Power rainbow, with sexy Barbie astronaut spacesuits designed by Bezos' wife and a European fashion designer.

The spectacle doesn't end there...Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, and the other billionaires have funded and enabled Trump to launch a full scale assault against every woman in this country. Hours before the Rocket launch, the GOP controlled Congress passed the SAVES Act, thereby compromising the voting rights for a vast majority of American women.

As the media praised these empty celebrities, Elon and Trump were firing tens of thousands of women scientists, doctors, cancer researchers, and weather forecasters from NASA, the FAA, the FDA, the NHS, and dozens of other federal agencies who keep our society running. I can't even describe the exact words Elon Musk used to denigrate these essential workers because Facebook classifies it as Hate Speech.
While we're being forced fed billionaire PR and galactic pinkwashing, the most accomplished American heroines, astronauts, and scientists are being scrubbed from government websites and their photos ripped off the walls at NASA.

To be clear, women have been to space. Actual scientists. And their history and memory are being buried to enable the billionaire crime spree. They keep showing rockets going to space like we haven't seen that shit since the late 1950s. SpaceX is nothing more than privatized NASA. There is literally no valued added. No innovation. Just a straight funnel to a privately controlled company now valued at $300 billion, the new source of Elon's wealth.

Amidst these historic threats and assaults against women in America, we didn't hear a single word of concern from these wealthy celebrities. At the end of the day, they know their place and priority: to keep the vast majority of working people enthralled with the spectacle so we can't see all the ways their handlers oppress us.
This is a story of six absolute bozos who took an 11 minute amusement park joyride, accomplishing nothing except thirsty PR for their predatory billionaire friends.

This isn't feminism. This isn't science. These are awful women who have dedicated their short time on earth covering up the crimes of even more wicked men.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1120116896828135&set=pb.100064895042052.-2207520000

Prairie_Seagull

(4,688 posts)
55. A stunt, pure and simple.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:51 AM
Apr 2025

But hey their hair looked good as they performed. Courage looks a lot like the Guardian author Marina Hyde. (link to her article up thread)

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
58. I'll let Amanda Nguyen slide
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:04 AM
Apr 2025

She's a legitimate scientist and all around amazing human being. An astronaut-in-training who put her career on hold to advocate for victims of sexual assault. If this was her chance to experience in some small way what she gave up to do the important work she does, I am pleased for her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Nguyen

The rest of them . . . ugh. And of course Oprah was lurking around in all that. Of course she was. If there is an event horizon for egotistical self-absorption, Oprah will get on camera somewhere.

Jughead

(144 posts)
61. Monday Nights CBS news lead
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:11 AM
Apr 2025

Was the millionaire amusement ride first and then the firebombed governors mansion story.
The media so grovels.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
125. Welcome to DU, Jughead!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:59 AM
Apr 2025

A cheap "lead". Belongs at the back of the newscast in the "kicker" section. It really shouldn't be a lead story. But I guess them's the times we're livin' in...

Ponietz

(4,330 posts)
65. Next up: porn actors (or UFC brawlers) doing doing their zero-G thing on pay per view
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:05 AM
Apr 2025

Trailblazing vapid human nature.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
69. Goes without saying. Out of touch out in space.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:04 PM
Apr 2025

But they'd really love to be relevant again!

FoxNewsSucks

(11,701 posts)
70. Agreed. At best,
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:29 PM
Apr 2025

it's a shameful display of grotesque wealth while others starve.

Worse and more likely, it's that and a look at the future where a handful of corporations control space. Instead of the benefits going to the public.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
71. But, but, but...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:29 PM
Apr 2025

You just aren't feeling the love. We may not be able to return illegally detained people from El Salvador, but we can throw millions at ridiculous stunts like this.

"I feel super-connected to love," Perry said. "I think this experience has shown me how much love is inside of me."

Perry sang "What a Wonderful World" while the group was in space.

Oprah Winfrey was there, and reportedly wept.

Jeff Bezos' fiancée, Lauren Sanchez was onboard.

Journalist Gayle King thanked both Jesus and Bezos. "I am glad I did it. I have no regrets. I'm stepping away from my comfort zone. I may now get my ears pierced" King said. "We've had some cranky Yankees and haters," she said. "I've heard you. I'm not going to let you, I'm not going to let you steal our joy but most people are really excited and cheering us on and realize what this mission means to young women, young girls and boys, too."

ToxMarz

(2,929 posts)
72. Katy Perry and Gayle King...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:46 PM
Apr 2025

That's what they were able to find for 'celebrities' to make it a "cool" event. Katy Perry was married to Russel Brand don't forget, so her judgement means zilch. (Though I'm sure she did it because she thought that would be "cool" too.)

Though it might have been a hoot if they got Russel Brand and Oprah stuck together up there, with no where to escape.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
73. For me the best part was seeing Bezos fall in that hole
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:50 PM
Apr 2025

I could give a shit about that stunt. But I wonder if the flight will affect the Botox fillers of these women!

Mustellus

(417 posts)
74. I posted years ago.....
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 12:54 PM
Apr 2025

... as a career "rocket scientist", that the business model for these suborbital flights would be to grab as much money as possible until you blow up a Very Important Person.

MIButterfly

(2,693 posts)
77. I'm not so sure it's an unpopular opinion.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:04 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2025, 04:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I read an item about it yesterday (I hesitate to call it a news item) and every comment was negative; not a single one praised or defended it. I thought it was pretty out of touch and uninspiring myself. More like a carnival ride and attention-getter than anything else.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
78. It's inspiring girls and women to become scientists and astronauts
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:09 PM
Apr 2025

which is a great thing. BTW, I don't recall such backlash when the passengers were men.

MIButterfly

(2,693 posts)
103. How exactly is Katy Perry and Gayle King going on a joyride for 11 minutes inspiring girls and women
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 06:42 PM
Apr 2025

to become scientists and astronauts?
Because, quite frankly, I just don't see it. This was no giant step forward for womankind.

And I believe there was a backlash when the passengers were men. It was just long enough ago to be forgotten by now.

serbbral

(333 posts)
81. I guess I am in the minority
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:23 PM
Apr 2025

I don't get the enormous amount of hate toward these women, jealousy perhaps. I will admit, I am not a fan of Katy Perry, but jeeze. These women were offered the opportunity to do this and took it. No, some were not scientists/astronauts, but I do not know why there is so much hatred. Wow!

paulkienitz

(1,507 posts)
84. But this means that Katy Perry can now tour with a tacky stage set where she rides a flaming penis
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 01:47 PM
Apr 2025

which means it's all worth it.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
86. At least this flight didn't have William Shatner on it.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:03 PM
Apr 2025

His fawning oration of the wonder of it all was probably longer than the flight.

aggiesal

(10,802 posts)
96. I agree. ...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:34 PM
Apr 2025

I don't mind high flying commercial aircraft, it would save gas,
but I have no idea what as space pod is useful for humanity, other than the for wealthy.

Iamscrewed

(486 posts)
99. B.S.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 05:52 PM
Apr 2025

Smoke and mirrors, they got to experience weightless for 3 minutes and see into space. It's an expensive propaganda show.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
115. Welcome to DU, Iamscrewed!
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:11 PM
Apr 2025

Yeah, it's a shame. Seems like the ultimate vanity move. Glad they can afford it, but I can't help thinking about how that money could help people in genuine need.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
102. Imo civilians should not be involved in this type of thing
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 06:19 PM
Apr 2025

Leave it to professionals etc.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
116. Welcome to DU, blizzard49!
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:13 PM
Apr 2025

I'm sure there are arguments in favor, but gee whiz - at a time like this? I keep thinking how much that kind of money would actually help people who need help.

mama

(185 posts)
130. American Space Museum in Titusville, Florida
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:51 AM
Apr 2025

We visited this small and interesting museum of space history a couple years ago. There's a room with the pictures and info about the women who have served on the space station. I was shocked at the number of mostly anonymous female astronauts, superior scientists all. It really ticks me off that these space-models get the attention when the real scientists, men and women, are the ones who deserve it.
Looking at Wikipedia, the current number of women who have traveled in space is 104.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
131. Meh. It's their money, they can spend it as they want to... even if it seems foolish and extravagant to others.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:13 AM
Apr 2025

Prairie_Seagull

(4,688 posts)
135. OT, Thanks to our own calimary for making new folks
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:09 AM
Apr 2025

feel welcomed. This is a serious place but also a fun one.

cab67

(3,749 posts)
137. as an aging Gen-X'er...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:23 PM
Apr 2025

...the opening sequence to the two years of Josie and the Pussycats cartoons set in space.

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