Will both the Olympics and the World Cup be moved from the US?

[malaise]

Interesting discussions in more than a few places
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarkMyWords/comments/1jxvecz/mmw_both_the_world_cup_and_the_summer_olympics/?rdt=52219

[mountain grammy]

1. Honestly, I don't see how they could be held here.

[Prairie Gates]

10. It's the US, Canada, and Mexico

That's the World Cup hosts for next year.

[bdamomma]

15. Canada

and Mexico should share the World Cup.

[Prairie Gates]

38. Most of the games are in the US

I think only 2 cities in Mexico and 2 in Canada. Everything else is scheduled for the US.

[malaise]

22. Yes but how does that work now?

Hmmmmmm

[LS0999]

45. They can host it in the other two countries.

Leave the USA out of it. As far as the Olympics they should offer to move it to Toronto or Mexico City if they want it.

[Solly Mack]

2. I wouldn't risk coming to America to participate or as a spectator. Too dangerous.

[SheltieLover]

9. I wouldn't either, Solly

[Solly Mack]

25. I know it won't stop either event but how can they trust America to be safe for them? They shouldn't.

[SheltieLover]

46. I certainly wouldn't!

What's slobby going to do, arrest & deport fugure skaters who are better than the dopers from ruskie land?

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. If I had the money and no mobility problems, I'd get the hell out of here.

I'm fortunate to have relatives in Europe who would help me because they hate the SOB too

[Solly Mack]

28. I don't blame anyone for wanting to leave or leaving. People have to do what is best for them.

It's not selfish to want to escape a tin-pot dictator.

[greatauntoftriplets]

32. Unfortunately, it won't happen.

It'd be nice, though. I've always liked the slower pace of life.

[Solly Mack]

39. I wish it could happen for you. Peace of mind is worth it.

[greatauntoftriplets]

40. Thanks.

I appreciate your wishes. Peace of mind is important, but it's something we won't have until these terrible times are over.

[demmiblue]

3. I highly doubt it. n/t

[tanyev]

4. Doubt it, but I've wondered if they'll see a noticeable spectator boycott.

[TommyT139]

44. Or countries boycotting.

I could see that.

It could actually be a gesture that gets to Trump. It would suck for the athletes, but then again it would keep them from being a backdrop for a dictator.

Besides...what with tariffs and the collapse of much of societal infrastructure, it would kind of be an austerity Olympics anyway.

Like, how hot will it be? "We don't know, because the Trump fired the national weather service."

Of course Russia and China will show up.

[Ace Rothstein]

5. They didn't move the last World Cup from a country using slave labor.

The one before that was in Russia after they annexed Crimea. FIFA won't do anything.

[sop]

52. FIFA is even more corrupt than Trump.

[Aussie105]

6. Undoubtedly.

With rogue elements pretending to do Trump's bidding grabbing people off the streets randomly and sending them off somewhere on the slightest excuse, what self respecting athlete would risk coming into a danger zone like America?

They could bring their own armed security squads for protection I guess.

'America First' => 'America Isolated'!

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

7. If either is pulled, expect consequences.

Pull the Olympics during a Trump administration and expect retribution in the form of cancelling the U.S. olympic team. Do the same with the World Cup, and expect an end to U.S. participation and support for the U.S. national team. Or as Bannon would say, "deconstructing" them.

I say go for it, even though I'm a huge (association) football fan. Let Trump throw a tantrum and leak support, especially over the Olympics.

[Prairie Gates]

8. USMNT wouldn't qualify for the World Cup without host nation bid

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

14. I'm holding judgement until I see what Pochettino can do.

I'm not a fan of national teams in the first place, because I think it encourages jingoism. Same for the Olympics, btw. But for the current side, there are more U.S. players in the top Euro leagues playing well than ever. It's a big step above what I grew up watching in the dark ages before streaming (or even cable)

#COYS .

[Prairie Gates]

37. LOL at Spurs

Poch is winning as much hardware for the USMNT as he did at White Hart Lane.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

47. I generally can predict which club is going to win league play.

it's the club with the highest payroll. Doesn't exactly work in UEFA competitions (close, though), and the World Cup scrambles things a bit. But who wins doesn't really matter to me. I didn't have a favorite club until Poch coached Spurs, just enjoyed games played that well in the EPL. I still tend not to let it define my life. No, Spurs didn't win trophies under Poch, but when his players made his system work, it was the most beautiful game of football one could hope to watch. Postecogelu's unique style has provided some entertaining games as well, but his opponents now know how to defeat his system (if they have the right players), so he's done in North London. Oh well. There's always the Caribbean Premier League (cricket 20) coming soon, and then a new season of football. Until then I'll enjoy the promotion/relegation battles in the various leagues that I get streaming, answering the totally inconsequential-to-the-grand-scheme-of-things questions of whether Millwall, Wrexham or Edinburgh City will step up, and if St. Pauli and Cagliari can stay up. Come August the season will begin anew after a summer of fake transfer rumors and multi-million dollar deals to watch as well. Circle of life.

[Prairie Gates]

50. I mean, Poch came closest the year Leicester City won the league

So I'm glad you qualified the payroll theory.

While I think Millwall - West Ham matches would be great for the Premier League, I'm kinda pulling for Bristol City in the crazy Championship run-in.

I like Cagliari's run-in at 6 points clear. Really only the Fiorentina match and closing the season at Napoli that should be of much concern. I'll predict they squeak by.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

59. On va voir.

Twas an interesting Europa League match on Thursday. A Spurs back five, really? As for other potential promotion playoff teams, I'm also quite interested in Wimbledon. Having had their club poached by Milton Keynes and starting over again deep in non-league, that club has come a long way. Having Paris FC in Ligue 1 next season could offer an interesting twist as well.

Watching a replay of the Blackburn-Millwall match now - my fourth match today. Benefit of being retired. I can't say I'm a big fan of Millwall given their thuggish history, though Japhet Tanganga does play for them when he's healthy. I kinda like West Ham better, even as a Spurs fan. I'm not sure the EPL needs two of them, but who knows. Would seven London & Home Counties clubs in the top flight be a record? Come on Boreham Wood!

I should say I've also enjoyed watching Leeds United this season, who I think might have a chance of sticking around in the EPL after this promotion, assuming they hold onto their manager. Their roster is mostly intact from the last stint, and they're a great watch.

[Ace Rothstein]

61. I went to a Wimbledon match in October.

Had a great time and really hoping they can earn promotion to League One.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

64. Ooooohhhhh, tell me more!

Are you in the UK?

[Ace Rothstein]

65. No, went over there for an NFL game and wanted to see some soccer as well.

It was international break so they were the only game in town that weekend. Neat little stadium in the middle of a neighborhood. Hung out with some fans for a few hours at the pub after the match. American author John Green is a huge Wimbledon supporter.

[Renew Deal]

53. Not true

US has only missed qualification once in the last 40 years and the field is expanding. So not true

[Prairie Gates]

55. That little laughy thing

signifies that it's a joke.

That said, coming in fourth of four in the Nations League was embarrassing to say the least, and not exactly a vote of confidence for clear qualification. The team is a shambles right now. Maybe Poch can right the ship, but maybe not.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. USA Alone. . . nt

[msongs]

11. no. it will go on only with white athletes ...hmmm nt

[PJMcK]

12. Who cares?

Trump will decide that he won every gold medal. Just as he does at his golf clubs.

What a creep.

[iemanja]

68. The people participating from around the world

care. They don’t want to be locked up.

[dem4decades]

13. As long as there's no people of color on those teams, they should feel completely comfortable coming here.

[TomSlick]

16. The US has become a pariah state.

A non-citizen cannot safely travel here.

[RockRaven]

17. They probably won't be... But they should be.

[Coventina]

18. Qatar could hold it, with their atricities, FIFA will have no issue with us.

Caveat: FIFA is one on the most corrupt organizations in the world. The Olympics is also notoriously corrupt.

[sakabatou]

19. Until Dump is out of office, they shouldn't be hosted here.

[JI7]

20. It might depend on athletes and whether they refuse to come here

if there are enough that refuse they might have to move it.

[Diamond_Dog]

21. When I was watching the World Championships in figure skating recently

I wondered about our Olympic athletes being banned from worldwide competition because of Dump and our ugly hateful government.

[Rebl2]

23. Can't say

I would blame them if they moved them out of the US. The city I am in is one of the Midwest cities where several games are to be played. It’s a big deal here, but would not blame them if they pulled out of the US.

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. The 1936 Olympics were in Nazi Germany

The 1980 Olympics were the the USSR after they cracked down in Poland.

[bdamomma]

48. That's true

too.

Wasn't Hitler wow'ed by Jesse Owens??

[SocialDemocrat61]

56. I wonder who would have

the same effect on Trump?

[rsdsharp]

26. The logistics of moving the Olympic Games would be overwhelming.

The 2028 LA games were awarded in 2017. A massive amount of money has to be raised, facilities built for events and housing the athletes, transportation worked out, and plans made for the ceremonies and countless details.

I don’t know much about the World Cup, but I don’t see how the Olympics can be moved, as much as I hate the thought of Trump being there, representing us.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

30. This

The only possibility I see is if they moved then to a city that recently held them and still had all the necessary infrastructure in place.

[Groundhawg]

29. no

[Groundhawg]

31. no it won't

[Xolodno]

33. The GOP wanted the Olympics moved from LA, one of the most liberal cities in the USA...

...to a more conservative city. In short, it was DOA. LA already has the infrastructure to support them, it would be a massive hurdle and prohibitive cost for any other city to host them. Other nations usually build the venues for one and done. Los Angeles on the other hand, has permanent facilities because they are used year round.

Some have suggested a rotating continent at designated cities, with a "host country" using the facilities. In North America, its obviously Los Angeles if they ever go that route.

[WarGamer]

34. no.

[Wednesdays]

35. Sadly, it's unlikely. Precedent: Berlin, 1936. nt

[AllyCat]

36. They should be moved. No one, including American citizens,

Is safe here. If I was an athlete, I’d bail. It’s NOT a good place to be.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. What the Olympic Committee could do is require signing agreement w PENALTIES to protect ALL athletes visiting. . .nt

[dutch777]

43. If they are Trump will just have the good foreign athletes in CBP questioning until the US has won all the medals.

Will be interesting to see how Trump messages on this possibility. Would be a good poke in his eye if he loses these. He doesn't do well with losing and embarrassment.

[Norbert]

49. I wonder how many countries will boycott the Olympics.

Due to human rights violations and the ridiculous detaining of people.

[roamer65]

66. May end up like the 1980 Moscow Olympics.

[Paladin]

51. It would serve us right. (nt)

[malaise]

58. More here

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/marco-rubio-sends-harsh-message-considering-us-visit-rcna201740

[Torchlight]

54. I could see the the western governments boycotting American-based

international sporting and gaming events. The Olympic boycott in 1980 was a strong message of western solidarity at the time.

[BlueTsunami2018]

57. I hope not. We're having games in Philly.

That’s a lot of work for the trades. Can’t afford to lose it.

[rollin74]

60. No

[FakeNoose]

62. If various countries start boycotting the World Cup and the Olympics

... rather than risk their athletes traveling to the US, you can BET that those events will be cancelled or moved to another country.

And it's not just the athletes themselves, it's their coaches and trainers, families, fans and followers - ALL of them would be in danger of harassment or worse.

Decisions to move events - for example cancel the World Cup events in the US and move them to Canada or Mexico - must be made quickly because those countries need time to get setup. There are only so many stadiums, hotels, airports, etc. that can handle the extra crowds on short notice.

[ProfessorGAC]

63. I'm Highly Dubious

The logistics are likely too much to overcome.
And, neither of those governing bodies are known for their social awareness.

[Polybius]

67. Nope

They've been held in far worse countries.