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Horse with no Name

(34,202 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:56 AM Apr 2025

ETA: written by Dr. Pru Lee. Timely advice

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2025, 09:17 PM - Edit history (2)

VERY LONG READ, BUT WORTH THE TIME! actionable steps we MUST take to win our country back from the fascists.
(ETA to remove inaccurate information )
Dear Democratic Party,

I need more from you.
You keep sending emails begging for $15,
while we’re watching fascism consolidate power in real time.

This administration is not simply “a different ideology.”
It is a coordinated, authoritarian machine — with the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the executive pen all under its control.

And you?

You’re still asking for decorum and donations. WTF.
That won’t save us.

I don’t want to hear another polite floor speech.
I want strategy.

I want fire.

I want action so bold it shifts the damn news cycle — not fits inside one.

Every time I see something from the DNC, it’s asking me for funds.

Surprise. Those of us who donate don’t want to keep sending money just to watch you stand frozen as the Constitution goes up in flames — shaking your heads and saying, “Well, there’s not much we can do. He has the majority.”

I call bullshit.

If you don’t know how to think outside the box…
If you don’t know how to strategize…
If you don’t know how to fight fire with fire…
what the hell are we giving you money for?
Some of us have two or three advanced degrees.
Some of us have military training.
Some of us know what coordinated resistance looks like — and this ain’t it.

Yes, the tours around the country? Nice.

The speeches? Nice.

The clever congressional clapbacks? Nice.

That was great for giving hope.

Now we need action.

You have to stop acting like this is a normal presidency that will just time out in four years.
We’re not even at Day 90, and look at the chaos.
Look at the disappearances.
Look at the erosion of the judiciary, the press, and our rights.

If you do not stop this, we will not make it 1,460 days.
So here’s what I need from you — right now:

1. Form an independent, civilian-powered investigative coalition.
I’m talking experts. Veterans. Whistleblowers. Journalists. Watchdog orgs.
Deputize the resistance. Build a real-time archive of corruption, overreach, and executive abuse.
Make it public. Make it unshakable.
Let the people drag the rot into the light.
If you can’t hold formal hearings, hold public ones.
If Congress won’t act, let the country act.
This isn’t about optics — it’s about receipts.
Because at some point, these people will be held accountable.
And when that day comes, we’ll need every name, every signature, every illegal order, every act of silence—documented.
You’re not just preserving truth — you’re preparing evidence for prosecution.
The more they vanish people and weaponize data, the more we need truth in the sunlight.

2. Join the International Criminal Court.
Yes, I said it. Call their bluff.
You cannot control what the other side does.
But you can control your own integrity.
So prove it. Prove that your party is still grounded in law, human rights, and ethical leadership.
Join.
If you’ve got nothing to hide — join.
Show the world who’s hiding bodies, bribes, and buried bank accounts.
Force the GOP to explain why they’d rather protect a war criminal than sign a treaty.
And while you’re at it, publicly invite ICC observers into U.S. borders.
Make this administration explain — on camera — why they’re terrified of international oversight.

3. Fund state-level resistance infrastructure.
Don’t just send postcards. Send resources.
Channel DNC funds into rapid-response teams, legal defense coalitions, sanctuary networks, and digital security training.
If the federal government is hijacked, build power underneath it.
If the laws become tools of oppression, help people resist them legally, locally, and boldly.
This is not campaign season — this is an authoritarian purge.
Stop campaigning.
Act like this is the end of democracy, because it is.
We WILL REMEMBER the warriors come primaries.
Fighting this regime should be your marketing strategy.
And let’s be clear:
The reason the other side always seems three steps ahead is because they ARE.
They prepared for this.
They infiltrated school boards, courts, local legislatures, and police unions.
They built a machine while you wrote press releases.
We’re reacting — they’ve been executing a plan for years.
It’s time to shift from panic to blueprint.
You should already be working with strategists and military minds on PROJECT 2029 —
a coordinated, long-term plan to rebuild this country when the smoke clears.
You should be publicly laying out:
• The laws and amendments you’ll pass to ensure this never happens again
• The systems you’ll tear down and the safeguards you’ll enshrine
• The plan to hold perpetrators of human atrocities accountable
• The urgent commitment to immediately bring home those sold into slavery in El Salvador
You say you’re the party of the people?
Then show the people the plan.

4. Use your platform to educate the public on rights and resistance tactics.
If they’re going to strip us of rights and lie about it — arm the people with truth.
Text campaigns. Mass trainings. Downloadable “Know Your Rights” kits. Multilingual legal guides. Encrypted phone trees.
Give people tools, not soundbites.
We don’t need more slogans.
We need survival manuals.

5. Leverage international media and watchdogs.
Stop hoping U.S. cable news will wake up.
They’re too busy playing both sides of fascism.
Feed the real stories to BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Reuters, Der Spiegel — hell, leak them to anonymous dropboxes if you have to.
Make what’s happening in America a global scandal.
And stop relying on platforms that are actively suppressing truth.
Start leveraging Substack. Use Bluesky.
That’s where the resistance is migrating. That’s where censorship hasn’t caught up.
If the mainstream won’t carry the truth — outflank them.
Get creative. Go underground. Go global.
If our democracy is being dismantled in broad daylight, make sure the whole world sees it — and make sure we’re still able to say it.

6. Create a digital safe haven for whistleblowers and defectors.
Not everyone inside this regime is loyal.
Some are scared. Some want out.
Build the channels.
Encrypted. Anonymous. Protected.
Make it easy for the cracks in the system to become gaping holes.
And while you’re at it?
Stop ostracizing MAGA defectors.
Everyone makes mistakes — even glaring, critical ones.
We are not the bullies.
We are not the ones filled with hate.
And it is not your job to shame people who finally saw the fire and chose to step out of it.
They will have to deal with that internal struggle — the guilt of putting a very dangerous and callous regime in power.
But they’re already outnumbered. Don’t push them back into the crowd.
We don’t need purity.
We need numbers.
We need people willing to burn their red hats and testify against the machine they helped build.

7. Study the collapse—and the comeback.
You should be learning from South Korea and how they managed their brief rule under dictatorship.
They didn’t waste time chasing the one man with absolute immunity.
They went after the structure.
The aides. The enforcers. The loyalists. The architects.
They knocked out the foundation one pillar at a time —
until the “strongman” had no one left to stand on.
And his power crumbled beneath him.
You should be independently investigating every author of Project 2025,
every aide who defies court orders,
every communications director repeating lies,
every policy writer enabling cruelty,
every water boy who keeps this engine running.
You can’t stop a regime by asking the king to sit down.
You dismantle the throne he’s standing on — one coward at a time.

Stop being scared to fight dirty when the other side is fighting to erase the damn Constitution.
They are threatening to disappear AMERICANS.
A M E R I C A N S.
And your biggest move can’t be another strongly worded email.
We don’t want your urgently fundraising subject lines.
We want backbone.
We want action.
We want to know you’ll stand up before we’re all ordered to sit down — permanently.
We are watching.
And I don’t just mean your base.
I mean millions of us who see exactly what’s happening.
I’ve only got 6,000 followers — but the groups I’m in? The networks I touch? Over a quarter million.
Often when I speak, it echoes.
But when we ALL
speak, it ROARS with pressure that will cause change.
We need to be deafening.
You still have a chance to do something historic.
To be remembered for courage, not caution.
To go down as the party that didn’t just watch the fall — but fought the hell back with everything they had.
But the clock is ticking.
And the deportation buses are idling.

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ETA: written by Dr. Pru Lee. Timely advice (Original Post) Horse with no Name Apr 2025 OP
Actually written by Dr. Pru Lee jmbar2 Apr 2025 #1
Jaime Harrison was a 3 from 1-10 in his tenure. I'm sure he'll be all over this awesomerwb1 Apr 2025 #3
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Apr 2025 #26
In case you meant this to go to the Chair of the DNC, Jaime Harrison is no longer here. Ken Martin is now chair, Lonestarblue Apr 2025 #4
I don't know who she is but it is great advice LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #91
Is there a link to this TommyT139 Apr 2025 #2
Not authored by Liz Cheney Fiendish Thingy Apr 2025 #5
Ditto. THANKS for the edit to correct the title, Horse! nilram Apr 2025 #9
It was a mistake, not a lie jmbar2 Apr 2025 #33
I didn't say the OP wrote it on purpose. nilram Apr 2025 #39
Aren't we supposed to have links? Pris Apr 2025 #6
I cannot believe I am reading this. MuseRider Apr 2025 #7
Yes, but not Liz Cheney. She did not write this. AllyCat Apr 2025 #14
Thanks I did see that but MuseRider Apr 2025 #46
Love that 2nd sentence!!!! Grins Apr 2025 #8
Freaking ActBlue. nilram Apr 2025 #10
I recommend you make all future donations through Qutzupalotl Apr 2025 #70
Thanks!! nilram Apr 2025 #74
I have unsubscribed from so many emails and texts berksdem Apr 2025 #19
My thinking is: show me how hard you can fight for a few years, and then I'll know if you're worth the coin. Magoo48 Apr 2025 #32
Lie ! not "from Liz Cheney" And Liz Cheney certainly did NOT write this. stopdiggin Apr 2025 #11
It is a mistake, not a lie. jmbar2 Apr 2025 #34
I'll accept that stopdiggin Apr 2025 #48
Meanwhile, you're hijacking a thread with really good information about how NOT TO LOSE OUR DEMOCRACY. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #68
because of what I see as egregious error - that is far to often given a 'pass' stopdiggin Apr 2025 #98
. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #102
Amen to that. Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #63
GREAT Action Plan! Martin Eden Apr 2025 #12
Thanks for focusing on what is important, VERY IMPORTANT, rather than who wrote it !!! Trust_Reality Apr 2025 #69
This is not Liz Cheney. Please update your post with correct information. AllyCat Apr 2025 #13
Done. Horse with no Name Apr 2025 #54
Please also edit the incorrect text that is the top of the post, which still gives the wrong impression. thesquanderer Apr 2025 #84
PIN THIS usonian Apr 2025 #15
looking for an answer - this helps Prince99 Apr 2025 #16
lol... more Liz Cheney deification. WarGamer Apr 2025 #17
Lol! C'mon! You know that's an asinine take on this, right? Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #24
No worse than people here who deify Putin and Musk BannonsLiver Apr 2025 #60
I haven't seen a single DU'er... EVER who deifies Putin. WarGamer Apr 2025 #62
Brilliant! Chi67 Apr 2025 #18
She didn't write it. chowder66 Apr 2025 #25
It is outstanding, who ever wrote it. Trust_Reality Apr 2025 #71
Re money: So found it interesting, our young friend of late Mr Hogg GusBob Apr 2025 #20
That's the conclusion I am reluctantly coming to in this case. Susan Calvin Apr 2025 #36
I dunno either GusBob Apr 2025 #42
Liz Cjheney is a stopped clock arch conseervative Warpy Apr 2025 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Apr 2025 #23
In these times that's a lot. Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Apr 2025 #22
Every line of this is what we should do. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #27
SOMEBODY - IS THIS OR IS IT NOT LIZ CHENEY? orangecrush Apr 2025 #28
Who cares? They're GREAT ideas. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #30
Agree! jmbar2 Apr 2025 #35
Indeed. People also dont bother to read the thread drray23 Apr 2025 #51
Why is it so frustrating for you? Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #53
because it devolves into back and forth sniping at each other instead of productive discussions.nt. drray23 Apr 2025 #55
You are going to see human nature at work on every internet forum. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #57
And of course the braintrusts can't get past the error in attribution Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #29
Rofl Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #65
I wish I could recommend your post 100 times..... Butterflylady Apr 2025 #97
Who is Dr. Pru Lee? BarbD Apr 2025 #31
It's generally helpful to read the thread first jmbar2 Apr 2025 #37
I did read the thread but am still confused. BarbD Apr 2025 #41
It hasn't been corrected BonnieJW Apr 2025 #49
Yup. Seems like every few weeks I need to take a break Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #66
Apparently, it was found on a Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger Facebook group (thus wrongly attributed to her). demmiblue Apr 2025 #44
Thanks demmiblue. I'm 87 and not on social media. BarbD Apr 2025 #45
I received my check this week. Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #67
could be a pseudonym RockCreek Apr 2025 #89
I hope Dr Lee is returning all the fund raising letters with nothing but this advice in the return. Jim__ Apr 2025 #38
2025 needed to be investigated these last 2 years bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #40
Not "we" BonnieJW Apr 2025 #50
Highly, highly recommended democrank Apr 2025 #43
THIS. Sky Jewels Apr 2025 #47
Horse, you should repost this every day for a week to make sure everyone sees it. It's really good. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #52
Whoever wrote that MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2025 #56
Tell me you didn't read it without telling me you didn't read it. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #80
Whoever wrote that was clueless with the "Join the International Criminal Court" suggestion. highplainsdem Apr 2025 #58
But but but Hornedfrog2000 Apr 2025 #59
This!!! Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #61
Bookmarking to read later liberalla Apr 2025 #72
I love this level of irony, if it weren't so loathesome and accurate. Noodleboy13 Apr 2025 #73
The irony would be delicious Schadenfreude if it weren't so loathesome. Noodleboy13 Apr 2025 #75
I've copied this and saved it on my desktop, so I can bring it up slightlv Apr 2025 #76
Thank you for posting this. Kick, Rec and Bookmarked. Mike 03 Apr 2025 #77
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address withdrawn because his shoelaces were uneven length. usonian Apr 2025 #78
Very well said. Can you believe this nonsense? I hope Horse With No Name re-posts this so serious people can see it. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #79
There is a post in Activist HQ by DU'er werdna with a link to the Daily Kos article, with original attribution. usonian Apr 2025 #86
It's a rehash of what lots of others have already said, which the exception of the ICC bit, which highplainsdem Apr 2025 #82
. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #83
Thank you for the common sense! jmbar2 Apr 2025 #95
Great advice, thank you! Wild blueberry Apr 2025 #81
Good Post CitizenZero Apr 2025 #85
Congressional Law Enforcement CitizenZero Apr 2025 #87
I was thinking the other day, there needs to be a moratorium on donation texts ecstatic Apr 2025 #88
k&r n/t markie Apr 2025 #90
You've already had Gordcanuck Apr 2025 #93
Yesterday, I got a survey from the DCCC..... lastlib Apr 2025 #92
Great idea! jmbar2 Apr 2025 #94
I recall getting something of the sort, and a field to fill in if I declined. usonian Apr 2025 #99
there's a fb cheney/kinzinger fan page spreading this as liz's writing. mopinko Apr 2025 #96
but apparently this is all 'OK' stopdiggin Apr 2025 #100
exactly who the peddler is is a mystery. mopinko Apr 2025 #101

Lonestarblue

(13,190 posts)
4. In case you meant this to go to the Chair of the DNC, Jaime Harrison is no longer here. Ken Martin is now chair,
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:20 AM
Apr 2025

TommyT139

(2,132 posts)
2. Is there a link to this
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:01 AM
Apr 2025
that's reputable and forward-able?

Edited: Ah! Many thanks to poster above.

nilram

(3,451 posts)
39. I didn't say the OP wrote it on purpose.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:56 PM
Apr 2025

It was probably a cut and paste issue. I'm thoroughly glad that the OP corrected it. It would diminish DU's credibility if it wasn't.

MuseRider

(35,087 posts)
7. I cannot believe I am reading this.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:35 AM
Apr 2025

To be honest I teared up reading to my husband who almost did too.

I have some experience, almost always a small part doing a lot of work but that is a great place to bring things up like this or teach people how to make your freaking rights safe.

Let's get em!

Grins

(9,209 posts)
8. Love that 2nd sentence!!!!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:37 AM
Apr 2025
You keep sending emails begging for $15…”

And they never stop coming!
Two weeks after the Nov. 2024 election I got the first one.
Shortly after, I got 2 more.

From incumbents and candidates I don’t know, and from states in which I don’t live.

Really had it with them.

nilram

(3,451 posts)
10. Freaking ActBlue.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:40 AM
Apr 2025

I click the checkbox to not share my name with other campaigns every time, yet I'm still spammed like hell.

Qutzupalotl

(15,648 posts)
70. I recommend you make all future donations through
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:04 PM
Apr 2025
https://app.oath.vote/

They don't spam you or sell your info.

Their site is mainly set up to donate to close races where we're behind and just need a push — but you can search for any major race.

Former DUer brooklynite gave us that tip.

Magoo48

(6,687 posts)
32. My thinking is: show me how hard you can fight for a few years, and then I'll know if you're worth the coin.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:42 PM
Apr 2025

stopdiggin

(14,911 posts)
11. Lie ! not "from Liz Cheney" And Liz Cheney certainly did NOT write this.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:43 AM
Apr 2025

You (and to a degree myself) might agree with the message/point being sent.
But I will never be on board with lying and misinfo in the service of ...
Pisses me off !

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

jmbar2

(7,522 posts)
34. It is a mistake, not a lie.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:45 PM
Apr 2025

No need to get ugly on DU. Seeing too much of that lately.

stopdiggin

(14,911 posts)
48. I'll accept that
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:24 PM
Apr 2025

If in fact it was an honest mistake .. (attributing authorship to someone like Cheney - is a rather big 'oops' )
If you will accept the fact that I have a right to be upset and POd - when I think I'm being bamboozled, shined on and deliberately misled - on a site that I appreciate, put some effort into, and where I sincerely hope that type of dreck would not become the norm and prevail. (as it does in so many other places !)

Scrivener7

(58,100 posts)
68. Meanwhile, you're hijacking a thread with really good information about how NOT TO LOSE OUR DEMOCRACY.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:42 PM
Apr 2025

Jesus H.

stopdiggin

(14,911 posts)
98. because of what I see as egregious error - that is far to often given a 'pass'
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:32 AM
Apr 2025

and tolerated.

Shades of George W. and his 'truthiness' ! Jesus H. pretty much nails it !

Trust_Reality

(2,262 posts)
69. Thanks for focusing on what is important, VERY IMPORTANT, rather than who wrote it !!!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:00 PM
Apr 2025

This is an outstanding call to action with specifics.

Big thank you to whom ever wrote it.

Now let's get to work.

AllyCat

(18,454 posts)
13. This is not Liz Cheney. Please update your post with correct information.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:47 AM
Apr 2025

while I agree with the sentiment, and the ideas, this is not Liz Cheney's writing.

Thank you.

thesquanderer

(12,879 posts)
84. Please also edit the incorrect text that is the top of the post, which still gives the wrong impression.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:21 PM
Apr 2025

This part should be edited out or substantially changed:

Like her or not, former Congressperson Liz Cheney has a plan…and we're now all on the same side. She suggests actionable steps we MUST take to win our country back from the fascists.

From Liz Cheney:


usonian

(23,235 posts)
15. PIN THIS
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:58 AM
Apr 2025

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:53 PM - Edit history (1)

It's a real plan.

See companion post:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1324&pid=3090

I thank Bernie and AOC for setting up the popular support. Now, let's organize.

We can capitalize on the massive failures that the clowns and their clones are setting up, AND those who will bear witness to abuse.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20215296 



Short:
1. A devastating cyber hack, thanks to our cyber-security being gutted and run by people concerned over DEI and little else. 



2. A physical attack is made on the US, given it’s new clowncar security by cronies with no expertise. (and again, far more concerned about DEI than physical security) 



3. Someone with information (as in Trump's escapades with Epstein) blows up the charade. 

Business as usual is gone.


AND, I already posted a digital safety guide. I haven't added to it, because FIRST STEPS FIRST, and everyone needs to grasp the basics.


I'll post the link(s) here shortly.

Resistance needs to be out of sight of the gazpacho police. That's what secure communications are for, but pointers here are OK.

Organizations and tools to fight for Democracy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113622
THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT
Most people can’t handle lots of complexity.

Infosec 101 for Activists.
Good general info
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113776
https://infosecforactivists.org/

The Protesters' Guide to Smartphone Security
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113702
https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2025/01/23/activists-guide-securing-your-smartphone/

EFF Border Search Guide.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20165635


Other organizations:

Organizations already fighting for the people.
WE ARE NOT ALONE.
Help these organizations
How to fight back: charting opposition to the actions of the Trump administration
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114001

EFF: https://eff.org

PROTESTS, RALLIES & DIRECT ACTION EVENTS
Organizations which are coordinating actions:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113922

Prince99

(102 posts)
16. looking for an answer - this helps
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:05 PM
Apr 2025

At this juncture - I would support a Liz Cheney/AOC ticket or a new party.

Scrivener7

(58,100 posts)
24. Lol! C'mon! You know that's an asinine take on this, right?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:30 PM
Apr 2025

You're just messing, right?

Because if not,

GusBob

(8,109 posts)
20. Re money: So found it interesting, our young friend of late Mr Hogg
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:21 PM
Apr 2025

he wants to shake things up by primary challenges , he had to mentioned money, 20$ million I believe

and I thought to myself: that just sounds like same-old, same old politics

Susan Calvin

(2,392 posts)
36. That's the conclusion I am reluctantly coming to in this case.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:50 PM
Apr 2025

I had a monthly donation set up to him, but now I dunno.

GusBob

(8,109 posts)
42. I dunno either
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:02 PM
Apr 2025

There's much I dont. I saw where Charlie Pierce wrote against his movement. I like Charlie and hear him alot on the radio.
I saw where Carville dog attacked him, Carville is "but now I dunno" type for me.

Ms Harris had a billion dollars and it didnt work. Wasting money in primaries doesn't seem like a good idea when we are fighting against an Oligarchy. I dont see how money helps in a war against dictatorship.

As the OP mentions, we need strength and backbone in this fight

Warpy

(114,360 posts)
21. Liz Cjheney is a stopped clock arch conseervative
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:27 PM
Apr 2025

who is deeply patriotic and therefore right twice a day. I can live with that, although there is little other than her committment to the constitution and rule of law that I can agree with.

Response to Warpy (Reply #21)

Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Scrivener7

(58,100 posts)
27. Every line of this is what we should do.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:35 PM
Apr 2025

The "There's nothing we can doooo" whine is bullshit and it's losing us our Democracy.

It's not supportive of Democrats.

Those whining, "there's nothing we can doooo!1!" are trump's lackeys.

orangecrush

(28,051 posts)
28. SOMEBODY - IS THIS OR IS IT NOT LIZ CHENEY?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:36 PM
Apr 2025

Either way, it's still damn good.

But, I had to delete 2 posts that were based on the assumption it was her.

Please provide link - document.

jmbar2

(7,522 posts)
35. Agree!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:48 PM
Apr 2025

Someone makes an innocent attribution error and an army descends to condemn. Even after it was corrected.

DU didn't used to be this mean. What's going on?!

drray23

(8,568 posts)
51. Indeed. People also dont bother to read the thread
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:46 PM
Apr 2025

Before commenting. This has frustrated me many times. You correct something and yet 50 more comments follow completely ignoring posts up thread.

drray23

(8,568 posts)
55. because it devolves into back and forth sniping at each other instead of productive discussions.nt.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:07 PM
Apr 2025

Irish_Dem

(79,290 posts)
57. You are going to see human nature at work on every internet forum.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:10 PM
Apr 2025

And in every home and workplace.

Instead of fighting it, sometimes you just have to go with the flow.
And perhaps be entertained or find it amusing.

Trying to control online behavior is a hopeless task unless you are a forum moderator.

Scrivener7

(58,100 posts)
29. And of course the braintrusts can't get past the error in attribution
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:38 PM
Apr 2025

to see the Democracy-saving value in this message.


I despair.

BarbD

(1,363 posts)
31. Who is Dr. Pru Lee?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:41 PM
Apr 2025

I'm confused. The post is excellent, BUT why use Liz Cheney's name incorrectly?

jmbar2

(7,522 posts)
37. It's generally helpful to read the thread first
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:51 PM
Apr 2025

Someone made an attribution error, and corrected it. An army of folks then attacked over the error without seeing that it was corrected.

Been seeing this a lot lately on DU. Didn't used to be that mean.

BarbD

(1,363 posts)
41. I did read the thread but am still confused.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:00 PM
Apr 2025

I appreciate the correction, BUT still wonder who this Dr. Pru is. I googled the name but(and there is that "but" again) all I found out was she/he was the correct author. So, who exactly is the real author?

demmiblue

(39,146 posts)
44. Apparently, it was found on a Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger Facebook group (thus wrongly attributed to her).
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:05 PM
Apr 2025

It is unclear who Dr. Pru Lee is.



It is excellent advice, though!

BarbD

(1,363 posts)
45. Thanks demmiblue. I'm 87 and not on social media.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:16 PM
Apr 2025

I need all the help I can get especially now when I'm not sure my Social Security check will show up next week. My real concern is for my 10 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. What kind of advice can I give them in this scary world?

Jim__

(15,057 posts)
38. I hope Dr Lee is returning all the fund raising letters with nothing but this advice in the return.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:54 PM
Apr 2025

bucolic_frolic

(53,773 posts)
40. 2025 needed to be investigated these last 2 years
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:57 PM
Apr 2025

Our response to Jan6 was feckless. Historians have studied coups, rebellions, insurrections, revolutions for hundreds of years. We failed to even convince the public that one had occurred, and we were very late to realizing it was still in motion.

democrank

(12,056 posts)
43. Highly, highly recommended
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:04 PM
Apr 2025

The best piece of advice I’ve ever read for any citizens ready, willing and able to take on the fascists.

Scrivener7

(58,100 posts)
52. Horse, you should repost this every day for a week to make sure everyone sees it. It's really good.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:48 PM
Apr 2025

highplainsdem

(59,589 posts)
58. Whoever wrote that was clueless with the "Join the International Criminal Court" suggestion.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:33 PM
Apr 2025

Some real info on the US and the ICC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

It would be interesting to know who actually wrote it. It shouldn't have been hard to rule out Liz Cheney, because it's guaranteed that if she had issued a statement like this, it would instantly have made international news.

Sigh.

As far as I can tell from what I skimmed above, no one knows who the person saying they wrote it is, or if they actually wrote it. If they wrote it and posted it online, that should be as viewable as the thoughtless post on Threads by someone who made up a fake Martha Stewart quote recently, and didn't bother to tell people it was made up till a day later.

Whoever wrote it was apparently well-intentioned and very concerned, but there's nothing at all original in it except the very naive ICC suggestion. We have no idea what their other writings are like, what they've been interested in and advocated.

And btw, didn't ANYONE notice the line in there about the unknown author of that rant having only 6,000 followers? Anyone here think Liz Cheney has only 6,000 followers on any platform she posts on?

 

Hornedfrog2000

(866 posts)
59. But but but
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:45 PM
Apr 2025

If nobody is writing sternly worded emails, speaches, etc. Who will do so? Who will be fundraising for us when we are trying to save america ? Sniffle sniffle

 

Noodleboy13

(465 posts)
73. I love this level of irony, if it weren't so loathesome and accurate.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:10 PM
Apr 2025

This is a well written call to real action and y'all are quibbling amongst yourselves about Liz Cheneys role in it's authorship. Maybe you should go back and re-read the article for content. Digest it. Think about it. Excatly how do your weak attempts at internet "snarkiness" help in any way shape or form. You guys are about as sarcastic as damp toast. I actually have some effective revolutionary tactics i learned in the 80s that are still quite applicable. All essentially non-violent, but they do require bravery. Just sayin.

Peace,
Noodleboy

 

Noodleboy13

(465 posts)
75. The irony would be delicious Schadenfreude if it weren't so loathesome.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:12 PM
Apr 2025

This is a well written call to real action and y'all are quibbling amongst yourselves about Liz Cheneys role in it's authorship. Maybe you should go back and re-read the article for content. Digest it. Think about it. Excatly how do your weak attempts at internet "snarkiness" help in any way shape or form. You guys are about as sarcastic as damp toast. I actually have some effective revolutionary tactics i learned in the 80s that are still quite applicable. All essentially non-violent, but they do require bravery. Just sayin.

Peace,
Noodleboy

slightlv

(7,376 posts)
76. I've copied this and saved it on my desktop, so I can bring it up
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:19 PM
Apr 2025

at any time and re-read it, until what she writes is etched it my brain.

usonian

(23,235 posts)
78. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address withdrawn because his shoelaces were uneven length.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:01 PM
Apr 2025

NOT

A politician in a parade was hit by tomatoes.

He was rushed to the emergency room with contusions and lacerations.

Asked later why tomatoes could cause such wounds, he replied:

THEY WERE STILL IN THE CAN.

Moral of the story: Don't confuse the contents for the container.

This is great advice. EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WIN A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

And have a great day. After two miserable days of fog and drizzle, the sun is peeking through clouds. 🌞

Scrivener7

(58,100 posts)
79. Very well said. Can you believe this nonsense? I hope Horse With No Name re-posts this so serious people can see it.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:09 PM
Apr 2025

usonian

(23,235 posts)
86. There is a post in Activist HQ by DU'er werdna with a link to the Daily Kos article, with original attribution.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:43 PM
Apr 2025
https://www.democraticunderground.com/13243082

Of course, vastly fewer replies.

It's like W.C. Fields.

” I always carry a flask of whisky in case of snake bite.
I also carry a small snake”

No controversy? Create some.

highplainsdem

(59,589 posts)
82. It's a rehash of what lots of others have already said, which the exception of the ICC bit, which
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:47 PM
Apr 2025

shows a lot of naivete and is completely unworkable.

We've already seen lots of good advice posted here from people with expertise and a history of writing on these subjects.

This would NOT have gone viral if someone hadn't added Liz Cheney's name to it to try to make it both more authoritative and more controversial.

 

CitizenZero

(920 posts)
87. Congressional Law Enforcement
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:08 AM
Apr 2025

It occurs to me that one thing that we might do if we regain control of Congress is to establish an independent office or agency for law enforcement that acts as an enforcement arm of Congress. So if we regain control of the Congress we can have a Task Force to investigate Trump Musk and give such a Task Force teeth and the ability to enforce law and judgments since the Department of Justice is compromised by the corruption of the Trump Musk Regime. Congress could establish and fund such an Office in the same way it did the Congressional Budget Office, which I believe answers to Congress and not directly to the Executive.

ecstatic

(35,003 posts)
88. I was thinking the other day, there needs to be a moratorium on donation texts
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:12 AM
Apr 2025

It's completely out of control. I do not want to block Democrats because obviously when the time is right I'm going to get back into donating and attending events.

But the way it's being done now, the volume of texts from all these different people is just too much, especially considering the general impression that many of us have right now.

Gordcanuck

(148 posts)
93. You've already had
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:04 AM
Apr 2025

one civil war, the Docror’s long post is a call to arms you are not prepared for. The fascists know it and are ready to ramp it up in the next few nanoseconds. All they need is one “provocation” to fire up martial law and start mass arrests.
That’s just about all the time you have left to genuinely fight back. You’ll go to internment camps and exile if you don’t.

lastlib

(27,407 posts)
92. Yesterday, I got a survey from the DCCC.....
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 08:47 AM
Apr 2025

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, asking what priorities should be for 2026. I printed this off and sent it to them, in lieu of my $15. This is more valuable than my measly $15. I hope it gets somebody's attention there.

usonian

(23,235 posts)
99. I recall getting something of the sort, and a field to fill in if I declined.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:41 AM
Apr 2025

That was a while ago, but the short message was and is

NO ACTION, NO MONEY

They are probably getting a lot of similar replies.

The party is tied to big money, just as Bernie and AOC truthfully say.

They can't be resistance, even though Hitler is deporting people and burning down institutions.

They'd be sitting out La Marseillaise at Rick's Cafe.

mopinko

(73,246 posts)
96. there's a fb cheney/kinzinger fan page spreading this as liz's writing.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:27 AM
Apr 2025

they pretend they’re actually them. not labeled as a fan page at all. in fact, it pretends it’s about a 2028 run. it’s changed it’s name a couple times, all w the same deceptive aim.
i called them out. good lefties and a good page, but very flexible on the topic of truth. upsetting.
they finally took my post down. too many ppl agreeing w me, i guess.

i do have to wonder who they rly r. someone collecting data is my guess.

stopdiggin

(14,911 posts)
100. but apparently this is all 'OK'
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:48 AM
Apr 2025

if the message is sufficiently liberal or progressive. You know - the old 'truthiness' quotient !

I'm with you. Misinfo and intentional distortion are a bane, and deserve to be called out ... Regardless of who is peddling the goods.

mopinko

(73,246 posts)
101. exactly who the peddler is is a mystery.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:52 AM
Apr 2025

i mean, there’s admins w names. obvs someone on the job, cuz they nixed my call out.
but who they r, well, who knows. but it smells funny to me.

we rly have to get a lot less gullible if we’re gonna survive this.

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