UPDATE: Kilmer Abrego Garcia is alive

[AStern]

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He is with Senator Chris Van Hollen:

I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance. I have called his wife, Jennifer, to pass along his message of love. I look forward to providing a full update upon my return.

— Senator Chris Van Hollen (@vanhollen.senate.gov) 2025-04-18T01:02:08.991Z

I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance. I have called his wife, Jennifer, to pass along his message of love. I look forward to providing a full update upon my return.

I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance. I have called his wife, Jennifer, to pass along his message of love. I look forward to providing a full update upon my return.

— Senator Chris Van Hollen (@vanhollen.senate.gov) 2025-04-18T01:02:08.991Z

Does anyone else believe Kilmer Abrego Garcia has already been murdered by the Salvadoran government & the Trump Admin knows?

Senators aren't allowed to see him, the DOJ risks contempt, El Salvador says they won't ever return him. I strongly suspect this is the secret they're hiding.

Does anyone else believe Kilmer Abrego Garcia has already been murdered by Salvadoran government & Trump Admin knows? Senators aren't allowed to see him, the DOJ risks contempt, El Salvador says they won't ever return him. I strongly suspect this is the secret they're hiding.

— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald.bsky.social) 2025-04-17T15:16:18.604Z

Until Garcia shows up - that's a good question.

[unblock]

1. I don't have enough facts to say anything conclusive, but

It is very telling that we even have to ask this question and can consider it entirely plausible that our government might be using El Salvador as an offshore extermination camp.

I will say that it's also plausible that he's still alive, and this administration is simply being as aggressively obstinate as possible, that that is their basic m.o.

So, on the one hand, who knows. On the other hand, why the grill are we putting up with a dictator who makes us question this?

[RockRaven]

2. I do not know what happened to him, life/death-wise, but I have no reason to believe

that he is alive, particularly. If someone wants me (or anyone else) to believe that, they should show good proof of life.

[TexLaProgressive]

3. Most people who have critical thinking skills do

Or at least think that's a probability. My guess is that Nayib Bukele had all of them killed and pocketed the money.

[dweller]

4. Since April 7 I've thought this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20217981


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[usaf-vet]

32. This is my post regarding Kilmer Abrego Garcia and why they are dragging their feet. If he is not dead, he know the.....

....horrors of prison life in El Salvador. And what possible international laws have been broken?


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1322&pid=69426.

Published DU April 12th.

[magicarpet]

5. Could be they disappeared Garcia too quickly.

Killed him before the heat of his incarceration died down.

Now they could have tortured him so badly and don't want that getting out or actually killed him - so habeas corpus is just a speck in the rear view mirror.

[TommyT139]

6. At the very least

They won't want witnesses to the illegal processes and jnhumaneconditions.

Please let's also spare a thought for the other abductees, like Andry Romero. Bring one home,if that happens, is not enough.

[hlthe2b]

7. I think Trump and his band of NAZIs are very fearful of what he will document about what he experienced

so that fully motivates the entire crew to give the go-ahead to El Salvador to "rid them of the problem."

I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. It's plausible that he has been murdered

And it was likely at the behest of Trump and Bondi.

[maxsolomon]

9. Lots of DU does.

Lots of speculation without any corroborating information.

[rsdsharp]

10. I don't know if he's currently alive, but if he is, and if Trump eventually "asks" for his return,

we’ll find out it can’t be done because Garcia is dead — recently or otherwise.

[Chipper Chat]

11. Remember the scene in the Shawshank Redemption

Where the warden had the inmate killed because he knew another inmate was innocent. I wouldn't put this past Orangina.

[Bayard]

36. This

The man was probably toast from the minute they snatched him up. I'm afraid that has happened already to a lot of these people.

Hey--no downside! El Salvador continues to collect the money, but doesn't have to put out any to care for him.

[mopinko]

12. i know this- they deserve zero benefit of doubt.

in most cases it is safe to assume the opposite of what they say is the truth.

[Torchlight]

13. I'd give it even money

and dismiss any assertions about him by both administrations as codswallop with sprinkles.

[roamer65]

14. Same.

[rubbersole]

15. It would definitely explain why tsf decided to pick this hill to die on.

No pun intended.

[xuplate]

16. Yes

[William Seger]

17. There is another plausible reason: He wants to intimidate other undocumented immigrants to "self-deport."

For that purpose, the fact that Garcia and others have been treated so outrageously makes it even better: He wants immigrants to know they aren't safe from being treated just like that, even if they haven't committed any crimes. He wants them to know they no longer have any rights to due process, so they better get out of the country, now, just as their recent letter says. These psychopaths are deliberately abusing Garcia and others to send that clear message: GET OUT NOW!

[questionseverything]

41. I agree with that idea but I think he also wants to prove

He just doesn’t have to do anything he doesn’t want

[William Seger]

42. Yes, and that's part of intimidating everyone else into compliance

A fascist state requires fear: If you aren't afraid of the imaginary crime wave or DEI or "wokeness" that the fascist demagoguery traffics in, then you need to be afraid of retribution for resistance.

[Nasruddin]

18. Dead men tell no tales

[Warpy]

19. I think that very well might be the case

which is why such an open and shut case is being so seriously stonewalled by both countries.

If he were alive, that USSC decision would have done the trick, IMO.

[LymphocyteLover]

20. Likely he is, but also could be they just don't want him talking about what the conditions were like there

[Butterflylady]

21. If not dead, badly beaten, will we ever know.....?

[NoMoreRepugs]

22. Highly doubtful he will EVER be seen or heard from again. It's what Phootie would do.

[homegirl]

23. My earlier post on

this subject....

Mrs. Garcia should charge Donald Trump with the murder of her husband. Trump loses either way- he must produce a live husband or his corpse.

[paulkienitz]

24. That's less frightening than the alternative:

that they've decided to make their stand on the principle that they can disappear anyone without cause.

[joanbarnes]

25. I thought so when I first heard of it.

[Ocelot II]

26. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had him killed as soon as his case became public.

[stillcool]

27. opinion not based in fact...Yes

It is because this case is so wrong on so many levels that death seems logical.

[flashman13]

28. I think the chance he is still alive is zero. As they say, dead men tell no tales.

[sakabatou]

29. It wouldn't surprise me if he was

[Richard D]

30. Or . . .

. . . he has witnessed murder and torture in El Salvador - perhaps done with Trump's blessings.

[DallasNE]

31. It Wouldn't Surprise Me If He Has Been Waterboarded

But murder? I’m not there yet.

[Kablooie]

33. Could all the guys from the US be dead?

Since the US doesn’t ever want them back and they are expensive to keep alive, maybe they kill all the US prisoners right away. Seems likely.

[Hornedfrog2000]

34. How about we just say

Trump murdered the guy? Why is it democrats cant play the inflamatory story line game? I believe he is dead, or at least we will never hear from him again. They will wait us out until the news forget about him

[Festivito]

35. Return his body. Probably don't know which one he is.

Did the smocks have numbers? Did they bother recording which number to which shackle?

[sop]

37. Trump's told Bukele to build "five more" prisons just like CECOT for "homegrown" criminals.

Trump wants to subcontract his own system of death camps to El Salvador.

[OLDMDDEM]

38. I do but I hope not.

[B.See]

39. I think the bigger question is

does Trump plan on eventually murdering us all?

[Blue Full Moon]

40. It's the only thing that makes sense

Blood and bodies in google map pics. So if no one leaves how can they keep adding more men? Also the facility was built by a company that specializes in medical centers.
This is the country that uses crypto currency. From what I have been told, no records of purchases or payments.

[electric_blue68]

43. Post & Photo of Van Holland & Abrego Garcia just posted a bit ago

[AStern]

44. Yep. Saw it. Will update

nt

[electric_blue68]

45. 👍