This post may be deleted, but

[Buttoneer]

I'm going to ask this question anyway.

Given the fact that women nominees are 0-2, do you think that a woman will be nominated by the Democratic party in 2028?
I supported Hillary in 2016, Elizabeth Warren in 2020, and Kamala in 2024.

#promatriarchy

[MarineCombatEngineer]

1. I don't think it will be deleted,

you're asking a very poignent question.
As far as nominating a woman for the Democratic ticket, I don't know, but I'll support whoever we nominate and hope for the best.

[Solomon]

81. Ditto. Well stated.

[surfered]

2. The country chose a stupid man instead of a smart woman and look where we are.

The Defense rests.

[Chemical Bill]

36. I disagree...

Republicans have been purging and disqualifying voters in Democratic leaning areas for decades. This past election, they added a new twist, bomb scares in many targeted Democratic precincts which discouraged voters at best, and closed polling places in some places. If everyone who wanted to vote could vote, we'd be saying Madame President.

[uponit7771]

58. Is there an article on this? I remember the bomb scares but didn't think they made

... a big difference

[Chemical Bill]

71. There's lots of info...

I'll add as I see them:

https://democraticunderground.com/100219354552

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132145748

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219692197

[akbacchus_BC]

59. Really! That's not answering the Op nor is your answer relevant. Truth is, a White woman

with integrity, honesty and a person looking out for Americans of all colors and class, lost to a pos. No wonder a woman of color with similar attributes, lost to a convicted felon. America is not ready for change. Old white men will continue to be in charge unless Americans vote for change.

[Irish_Dem]

3. I have the same question.

I am a strong feminist, but I am in it to win it.

Our country, democracy, Americans are in dire danger.

We take back power however we can.

Then we can power charge women's rights. POC, LGBT. All of it.

[electric_blue68]

9. I agree. Under these so far increasingly extreme actions wresting The Presidency away from proto-Authoritarians is....

paramount!

Then we can go about codifying Women's Equalty, protections for the LGBTQUI community and restore Voting Rights protections!

As a strong feminist right now pragmatism is the method to restoring strength to our Democracy, so we can do the rest. Imho.

[Irish_Dem]

14. We are thinking like women. Smart, practical, determined to achieve our goal.

Determined to save our country, democracy, American lives.
However we can. Whatever creed, color, gender it takes.

Then we do exactly as you state.

[RB77]

54. Thank You

I needed to hear that. Democracy First!

[Irish_Dem]

65. I come from a military family.

You win the war first.
Then you put your values and niceties in place afterwards.

[Walleye]

4. I will definitely support whoever they nominate. But I honestly don't think a woman can win. I have been. Disillusioned

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. I've said for decades that the first woman elected president will be a Republican.

[Hekate]

75. Very likely -- GOP is that cynical. They will destroy any Dem woman, on any pretext, but if they find a far-right woman....

…that they think they can control, they will run her and may win.

Although when it comes to SCOTUS, Amy Coney Barrett may be surprising the GOP a bit. She’ll never be a liberal, but if it turns out she thinks for herself, well we shall see.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

77. It's not even about someone they can control. There are plenty of women who would jump at the chance and

have the right politics.

[Hekate]

78. Roll call: Bondi! Noem! Wiles! Gabbard! The cabinet is chock full of them. Scary sht.

[WarGamer]

6. the safest choice is a moderate under 50 man... who will govern to the Left.

[Jilly_in_VA]

79. I agree

Whether the party sees it that way is another matter entirely, but...

[CTyankee]

7. I used to think it's only a matter of time when we'll have a woman POTUS. Now, I'm beginning to doubt it.

It's insane, but I don't think we have enough women willing to vote for a woman to overcome misogynistic male voters.

[valleyrogue]

24. This isn't women--this is ALL on men, especially white men.

What do you think the last election was about? No, not the "economy." It was sexism pure and simple.

What do you think JD Vance's MRA rhetoric was designed to attract? That is the only thing he campaigned on.

[PunkinPi]

70. A distinction needs to be made, it's white women that are not voting for women...

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all other groups of women, voted for both Hillary and Kamala.

2024


2016


If white women voted the way other groups of women voted, we would have had both Hillary and Kamala as president.

[Hekate]

76. Link? Many thanks.

[PunkinPi]

83. Here ya go...

2016 -> https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

2024 -> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

[unblock]

8. Frankly I don't think it matters

If we have a free and fair election, we will win. People will vote for the proverbial ham sandwich over Donnie after 4 years of this crap.

More likely, I fear, we'll have an actually rigged election, if we have an election at all, and Donnie or sone other republican will sail through easily even if we ran the ghost of Abraham Lincoln against him.

[walkingman]

10. Sadly, I don't think America is ready for a Democratic female POTUS -

because of all the cultural battles we are fighting these days. I do think it would be easier for a conservative female candidate simply because they would attract more of the white religious vote than a Democrat.

Sadly, I think our country and the world needs a Democratic female POTUS because I think they could possibly solve a lot of the world's issues. A conservative more than likely would tend to be a bully, and batshit crazy like the rest of the Republican Party.

[valleyrogue]

22. No woman of either political party will ever be president of the U.S. Period. n/t

[leftstreet]

73. Oh please. The righties were dying for VP Sarah Palin

The knuckledraggers don't vote FOR Republicans, or principles, or any of that shit

They vote AGAINST Them Liberals and Democrats

Of course they'd vote for a GOPer female POTUS

[William769]

11. I still am a Huge Hillary supporter. Am happy to get behind Warren. Kamala not so much.

Unfortunately I believe it will be a male in 2028.

[elocs]

16. The sad reality if we want a good chance to win it cannot be a woman again

and it should be a white, straight male because we cannot, cannot, cannot afford to lose this next election, if there is one by being noble and righteous about our pick. We do have very qualified white, straight, male candidates (no in this election we cannot afford to nominate Buttigieg--this country is not there yet).

[William769]

28. oh boy do I disagree with you.

The knowledge Pete Buttigieg has being a cabinet members already. It would be to our detriment not to use Pete.

We will never change the sodomy laws. Guess what? Poof Supreme Court & they are gone.

They said don't ask don't tell has to stay. Guess what? It didn't have to stay.

No to marriage equality will never happen. Guess what? it happened.

No to a Gay President. Guess what? The time has come.

[elocs]

56. "No to a Gay President. Guess what? The time has come." Vance is gay?

I remember hearing how the time had come for a female president as well.
How did that work out?
I'm simply saying that for '28 we need to win and that's not going to happen with either a woman as our candidate nor a gay. It's not worth the risk. You're certainly free to disagree, but that's my opinion.

[William769]

62. They said we could never win with an African American running for President.

Sorry, I have to say it, Guess what? We got an African American President.

Nothing is impossible nor attainable.

[Buttoneer]

25. AOC?

[William769]

29. Distinct possibility.

[sheshe2]

38. No!

[William769]

48. ...

Got you covered.

[sheshe2]

50. Thank you!

[Emile]

67. Yes she can win. Look at the crowds her and Bernie

are attracting. The party needs to move left and far away from the center.

[Srkdqltr]

12. I would like to know what woman, and who is against her. I agree that a lot of women would not vote for a woman.

And that is the shame of it.

[elocs]

17. That's the reality of it. Reality may suck, but it is what it is.

[valleyrogue]

20. Let's be honest: It is mainly men, especially white males.

They will NEVER allow a woman to be president of the U.S.

[piddyprints]

32. It is women too.

A good number of them voted for the orange anus. I personally know and am related to some of them. If all women voted for Democrats, we would win.

[bdamomma]

46. White men

showing their weakness to not vote for a woman. Grow Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SocialDemocrat61]

13. I think the goal in 28

needs to be to win the election and we need to pick the best candidate regardless of sex or anything else

[elocs]

23. Did we pick the best candidate in '24? After all, how did that election turn out & what did we learn

from that? We have a number of straight, white male candidates who are very capable of winning and there will be many disaffected Republicans who would vote for that man but would stay home for someone else. We cannot afford to be all noble and righteous and pure, biting off our noses to spite our faces in proving that.

[SocialDemocrat61]

35. Given the circumstances

Yes

[elocs]

15. I've posted the same. Nominate a woman in '28 and if we have an election, a free, fair,

and unrigged election, nominate a woman, then say hello to President Vance.
We need to be realistic about our pick of our nominee and not noble and righteous is believing we can just pick anyone and still be able to win.

[Hekate]

18. Why would this question get deleted? Here's my answer: MISOGYNY BEATS RACE EVERY TIME

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Hillary Clinton was nominated and ran after a charismatic Black man was POTUS for 2 terms. Hurray for progress. Barack Obama was great, and now we were going the next step.

Hillary Clinton, who had a fantastic resume, allegedly had “baggage” and she lost extremely narrowly to an adjudicated felon and rapist who had no political experience.

The same rapist/felon then lost to a highly qualified white man, Joe Biden, on the second pass.

Kamala Harris, who also had a great resume, was squeaky clean and had no “baggage.” She also had charisma. She was also mixed race, i.e. “Black” . Lost very narrowly to the aforementioned rapist/felon.

Here’s the pattern I see: half this country is misogynist to the bone and would rather have a criminal, fake populist, orange Mussolini who promises to bomb the US to rubble, than to have any woman, no matter how qualified. When it comes right down to it, that half of the population will never vote for someone without a penis. The claim that Hillary had baggage was bogus — the claim that Kamala wasn’t enough and wasn’t white was also bogus. They “lost” to a deranged orange male.

Don’t ask me to make this choice again, my fellow Democrats. We can’t afford to once again lose narrowly and call it a victory for progress. We may have already lost our democracy forever. As it is, I don’t see full repair happening in my own lifetime (I’m in my late 70s) . With all its flaws, I want my country back.

One final comment: when I was a very young thing I asked my mom if she thought we’d ever lose the country to foreign invaders like the Russian Communists who were threatening us. Also, the previous war that ended just before my generation was born permeated the air as well.

Mom thoughtfully said something I have never forgotten: “I don’t think so. I think it is more likely we will elect the ones who would do that.”

And so we have, dear friends, so we have.

[valleyrogue]

19. No woman will ever be elected president of the U.S.

There are literally millions of people out there, especially men, who think women can't lead. This despite the thousands if not millions of cases to the contrary. Women have led countries and empires for millennia, if you include monarchies in the mix.

You'd be surprised as to how many people think women's "hormones" make it impossible for them to lead a major country.

[H2O Man]

21. My hope is

that we pick the strongest candidate, with the best chance of winning. And that we consider that since both Clinton and Harris were solid candidates, what improvements should have taken place in their campaigns? Because those loses were rooted in the campaigns, not the candidates.

[betsuni]

44. "loses were rooted in the campaigns" how were Trump's campaigns better than the opposition in 2016 and 2024?

[H2O Man]

72. I didn't say

that the felon's campaigns were "better." I don't think that his campaigns can be viewed in the context of a normal campaign. What I am saying is that the attempt to focus on republican voters doesn't work well.

Again, and just touching on the most recent, our party's change in candidates was an issue. However, VP Harris was a solid, qualified candidate. She performed as well as possible in the debate. Yet someone in the campaign decided to bring Dick Cheney on stage to endorse her. It would be hard to explain doing that as a positive.

[sheshe2]

55. Harris didn't even enter the race until July 21st!

She had to scramble to set up a team and start her run
handicapped with so little time! She only had a little more than three months to make her case.

Hillary, I don't know , but there was a lot of hate directed at her and we know that there was help from Russia. Even here on a Democratic board she was called the C word. We had trolls working hard to see that she lost.

[H2O Man]

74. I agree.

I think the best campaign in recent times was run by then Senator Obama in 2008. Despite some "experts" being concerned that a black man couldn't win the presidency, obviously he did. Now, a big factor was his ability to communicate. He was a fresh face, charismatic and exciting. While he did get some republican support, that was largely due to McCain's choice for VP. More of a factor was Obama's reaching the independent voters and bringing in new voters.

Now, up until 2024, no other Democrat in the general election was charismatic in a sense that excited those independent voters or to get significant numbers of new voters. That in no way means they were not capable, qualified candidates. From Gore to Biden, our candidates were superior. And lord knows that Joe Biden did an outstanding job as president.

I can only speak for myself, of course, but I found VP Harris to be a perfect candidate. I thought then, as I do now, that she had the ability and talent to run as a much more Obama-like candidate. While sexism, racism, and Russian military intelligence would still be factors, there are ways to deal with these things and win.

If I were to highlight one factor that hurt her as our candidate, it would be bringing Dick Cheney on stage. Literally every independent voter I know found that to be repulsiver, and young voters know he is a unconvicted war criminal. The number of republicans who are fans of Dick who decided to vote for Harris due to his endorsement is tiny by definition. The number of potential voters offended by it who opted not to vote for Harris -- if they voted at all -- was significantly larger.

And that's a shame. Just my opinion, but the campaign can be as deciding a factor in the outcome as the candidate. Had Obama focused on winning republican votes in '08, I doubt he would have won. Speculation, I know. But I like winning.

[Dan]

26. I guess I am outside the boundaries here...

But I am thinking that Bernie and AOC are going to run as Progressive Democrats, and they are going to win. I think that Trump is not only going to destroy the Republican brand with Independents but tank Couch-Vance.

Sadly, I think that our traditional normalizing Democratic politicians are not understanding how mad people are at what is happening. Bernie and AOC are tapping that anger, and angry people will vote.

Again, to me, it seems that with a few exceptions, our Democratic politicians are bring a knife to a gun fight, and just not understanding what Trump is doing to this nation and the world. We are no longer in a gentlemen’s agreement of cocktails and margaritas, but in a fight for our lives and nation.

And I predict this - even if Trump (or Vance or whomever) and GOP rig the elections in 2028 (maybe 2026), I don’t think that the nation will stand for it. We, whether you agree or not, we are in a cold civil war that has the real potential of getting hot.

IMO.

[Buttoneer]

69. Bernie's too old. n/t

[W_HAMILTON]

27. Both ran following Democratic administrations, and this country is very much a "vote against something" type of nation.

When the majority of voters treat our elections as referendums (AKA "I don't like how things are going, so I'm going to vote out the incumbent party" -- without realizing the alternative could be even worse), it's easier to win elections running against something rather than running for something.

[Ping Tung]

30. For me, gender, race, ethnicity, is about as important as eye color, height, or favorite flavor of ice cream.

I look for common human decency and principles. Things that are completely lacking in the current occupants of the White House and their lackeys.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

[Buttoneer]

41. John Quincy Adams would have voted for Jill Stein in 2016, given that quote.

[Bread and Circuses]

31. I'm not expecting elections in 2026 or 2028.....

Have NOT seen Congress do their job.

The S.O.B needs to be impeached.

1 Trump administration in criminal contempt in deportation flights case
2 California sues the Trump administration over the tariffs because he has no power to impose tariffs, only Congress does.
3. DOGE gave login credentials to Russian spies

And so much more.


Congressional republicans are traitors.

[Mister Ed]

33. Imagine. IMAGINE what this country could be right now if your picks had won.

Imagine a world in which, say, Hillary Clinton had won the presidency in 2016, or Kamala Harris in 2024. When I think of what could have been with such women in the White House, it makes it hard for me to reconcile myself to the idea of never again trying for it in what remains of my life.

[RockRaven]

34. Depends on who is in the race. At this time I have no idea who is going to be

running in the primary, so I couldn't say one way or the other.

[Sogo]

37. Kamala and Hilary were the most qualified women we could have ever asked for, and America didn't go for it.

I don't think we should go that route again anytime soon, particularly since there aren't any women on the horizon who are anywhere near as qualified as Kamala and Hilary. The most important thing is that we preserve our democracy, not whether we break any glass ceilings. I certainly will support whomever we nominate, but I think it would be a mistake to go with a woman (particularly just because she is a woman).

[Chemical Bill]

39. Mexico has a woman president.

I don't agree that it can't happen here. And if Republicans didn't cheat so much, we would be on our second. Imagine if Russian computers hadn't posted bomb scares in the 2024 election....

[ecstatic]

40. I was wondering the same thing the other day

I don't know. I don't know why Americans are so sexist and/or disengaged.

[JCMach1]

42. I think we should stop clutching pearls and the nominee should be the nominee

[Comrade Citizen]

43. New Mexico politics is what we could have nationwide, it's so refreshing to have women leaders

"Along with a female-majority Legislature and a woman overseeing the state Senate, New Mexico women also hold positions such as governor, secretary of state and a majority in the state’s supreme court. New Mexico is also represented by two women out of the state’s five seats in Congress."

[Polybius]

45. Trump is the only person in American history to defeat women for the Presidentcy

And he can't run in 2028.

[Nixie]

47. This is probably what a woman candidate will be asked nonstop

if one gets the nomination. How can you win when two women already lost? It will be the media’s obsession and a constant thorn.

[Bettie]

49. I spent my life hoping to see a woman as president

I no longer believe that it is even possible.

I hear it all the time: "I'd happily support a woman, but not THAT woman" and the secret is, every woman becomes "that woman".

Misogyny is baked into our country and I have no idea how to change that.

We will end up with a semi-conservative, overtly religious, white male.

Will we win? Who knows anymore? People are stupid and evil, it would seem and only interested in whatever looks most like a reality show.

In case you missed it, I'm not feeling all that positive about our future as a nation. I mean, nearly half of those who bothered to vote decided that an orange felon who has never had a moment of even basic human decency in his entire, miserable life was better than a highly qualified woman. Heck, it happened twice!

It is hard to feel positive right now.

[jalan48]

51. I think Tammy Duckworth would be a great candidate and could win.

[iemanja]

52. I expect some are hoping no women will be nominated again

I remember that after the 2016 defeat, men were running around telling us that the Dem. party should strike abortion rights from their platform. This despite the fact the polls show clear support for abortion rights. They seized the opportunity to try to assert dominance over a party in which they are the minority.

[hamsterjill]

53. From an old and fervent feminist here

I hope Democrats choose the BEST candidate regardless of gender. I want us to get to THAT point, where we don't even think about the person's sex or sexual orientation.

That does not mean that we don't still need to work on producing some women who ARE the best candidates.

[Meowmee]

57. It shouldn't be, why would you think that?

I will not vote for a woman again in a primary. I want to win. The writing is on the wall, misogyny is top here and is deeply ingrained in every aspect of society.

There have been many advancements against it but this has to be one of the few if not the only major western democracy or similar nation that has never had a woman in the top position.

I'm ok with that because getting rid of the fascists is much more important. Maybe if an R woman runs and wins we will find out otherwise.

[Raine]

60. I just want someone competent ... no matter who or what they are. nt

[mucholderthandirt]

61. Not a chance in hell. Going to be an old, white man who will kiss MAGA ass.

We need a few more decades putting our hands across the aisle and getting back nubs, smiling all the while. It will be pretend equality for us, but I guess we'll have to settle for it. Then, when the country is working again and we have a small measure of respect back, cue MAGA 2.0. And we'll start all over again, going even more to the right, until the next fascist pops up and then we'll never survive.

[Quiet Em]

63. I believe a man will be nominated

But I will never go along with or help promote the sexist narrative that Democratic women should not run for, or be nominated for President. I will never help reinforce that narrative.

[SKKY]

64. Not sure why people have a problem with asking "hard" questions on here...

...but sometimes we need to ask them; and this is one of those very questions. After looking at some of the interviews and exit polling of males, particularly Hispanic males, they clearly still have a problem with a woman in the White House. It's a lot of the same sentiment I heard among African-American males and Mayor Pete. Neither demographic appears ready to cross either of those rubicons. Just calling it like I see it.

[GusBob]

66. This post might be deleted too

If HRC had beaten BO way back when maybe we wouldn’t be going thru this now
There wouldn’t have been the racist backlash that propelled Trump
And she would have squashed the Russian interference that helped him too

[NNadir]

68. As a man, I wish to live in a world administered by women.

The United States is about to face hell given its malign affection for patriarchy.

It will fail so graphically it will be impossible to deny it.

[TnDem]

80. re: matriarchy

The PTB might consider better female candidate the next time...This is not a congressional campaign that focuses on one portion of a state...It is a 50 state campaign and all states vote differently.

Appeal to more voters in more states with more electoral votes, and you win.

Simple math.

[electric_blue68]

82. Both my family sides have longer lives so I hope I do I get to be still cogent and live to see a....

Democrat Woman Madame President!

♀️

Current pragmatism for me says it's gotta be a cis, white male this next round.
I think Pete is pretty great, but I think there's still too much both concentrated in some areas, and scattered homophobia across the country which could tip the scales against him. Unfortunately we can't afford that happening at this point.

If we get genuine 2026 elections, return the Presidency, and at least one Chamber of Congress (I'd hope for both w the increasing anger out there), get our Dem President in 2028 then I can again think about possible POC, woman, gay, lesbian, Jewish candidates.