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Jilly_in_VA

(14,405 posts)
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:01 PM Apr 2025

Gavin Newsom says Democrats need to stop looking for a savior on a 'white horse'

Gov. Gavin Newsom, widely viewed as a potential contender for the 2028 Democratic presidential nomination, had tough words for his own party — "We are as dumb as we want to be," he said — in an exclusive interview Monday with NBC News in this Marin County suburb north of San Francisco.

Democrats have been too focused on the personality of candidates at the top of the ticket, rather than building a platform that is bigger than the nominee and addresses how the party will fight for what voters want, he said.

"We just have to move beyond the guy or gal on the white horse that's going to come save the day — it's exhausting," the second-term chief executive of the nation's most-populous state said. "This party needs to rebuild itself from the bottom up, not top down. We are as dumb as we want to be."

In his nascent quest to help revitalize the Democratic Party, Newsom has been criticized by some progressives for hosting a pair of high-profile allies of President Donald Trump — Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk — on his new podcast, "This is Gavin Newsom." (The writer of this article sat for an interview on the podcast this week.)

In his talk with Kirk, Newsom further infuriated some allies in the LGBTQ community and on the left by announcing that he opposes trans athletes competing in women's and girls' sports. In the 2024 election, Trump weaponized trans issues, including Kamala Harris' past support for taxpayer-funded gender-affirming treatments.

Newsom said he has been surprised by the ferocity of the backlash against his interviews with MAGA figures, but he appears to be committed to learning from Trump's victories in two of the last three presidential elections. He was particularly struck by Trump's advantage with young men, which he attributed to the attention the current president paid to them — which was demonstrated in part by appearing on podcasts and YouTube shows popular with that cohort.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/gavin-newsom-democrats-need-stop-looking-savior-white-horse-rcna202316

Well, buddy, I do not think it's gonna be you. You done shat the bed.

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Gavin Newsom says Democrats need to stop looking for a savior on a 'white horse' (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Apr 2025 OP
Sounding this desperate three years before the primaries is not a good sign for Newsom. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2025 #1
A liberal from california has no chance Henry203 Apr 2025 #2
They said the same with a conservative from California. Xolodno Apr 2025 #12
A liberal from a conservative state Henry203 Apr 2025 #14
And we are not in the primaries yet either. Xolodno Apr 2025 #18
That's not on us. That's on Newsom. He decided to start campaigning 3 years early while Rome burns. nt Blasphemer Apr 2025 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2025 #50
We also got Trump47 as a result Orrex Apr 2025 #113
I miss Jerry Brown. LuvLoogie Apr 2025 #3
You and me both!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2025 #28
Great guy whose career and prez ambitions were sunk by a witty columnist from Chicago... Hekate Apr 2025 #90
I don't think so n/t Jilly_in_VA Apr 2025 #100
Nonsense. MAGA is all a cult of personality newdeal2 Apr 2025 #4
Exactly. Plus, Dems have done very well with charismatic presidents (JFK, Clinton, Obama). Blasphemer Apr 2025 #42
He's attractive, but his negativity is getting tedious. nt allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #44
Yeah, it seems like a really odd slant to take... regnaD kciN Apr 2025 #65
Sure, a "savior on a white horse" isn't what Dems should look for, maxsolomon Apr 2025 #5
He is doing terrible in the early primary polls AZProgressive Apr 2025 #25
its 3 years before the primaries maxsolomon Apr 2025 #82
They don't care, and besides something wrong about her will be articulated as soon as she announces Hekate Apr 2025 #91
if it's Harris or AOC say hello to another 4 years of Dump or Vance BannonsLiver Apr 2025 #108
That would be Pete Buttigieg, NOT Newsom. nt Blasphemer Apr 2025 #43
Opinions vary. maxsolomon Apr 2025 #83
He has the charisma of a dried up booger synni Apr 2025 #64
I wish he;d just shut up. choie Apr 2025 #6
Yes, Newsom may just talk himself out of the nomination. He needs to think before he speaks. n/t elocs Apr 2025 #33
He sure isn't it. He's shown his stripes. Blue Full Moon Apr 2025 #7
I somewhat agree with him. everyonematters Apr 2025 #8
ours is GET RID OF FASCISM Skittles Apr 2025 #56
Democrats make up only 30% of the electorate. You have to convince the 40% who are not everyonematters Apr 2025 #70
you Skittles Apr 2025 #88
Yes I mean the Democrats. everyonematters Apr 2025 #92
What will Dems run on in 2028? Drain the swamp? Fire every MAGA in sight? bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #9
I'm Not.. I'm a Dem. I'm Grateful for the All the Cha Apr 2025 #10
It doesn't need to be a white horse, but the candidate should be intelligent, empathetic, elocs Apr 2025 #11
You mean like Barack Obama or Joe Biden? Hekate Apr 2025 #22
If I had to pick between the 2 of them, I'd say Obama. elocs Apr 2025 #26
Well, the party did not screw up. Joe's son died horribly of a brain tumor & Joe was gutted.... Hekate Apr 2025 #32
Lincoln's 11 year old son died when he was in office and I'm sure he was gutted as well. elocs Apr 2025 #48
Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris both lost by one percentage point and Biden won by less than 1%. betsuni Apr 2025 #55
Having 0 rallies in WI is in no way the same as having a few more rallies for White People. elocs Apr 2025 #69
40 million Californians are taken for granted and somehow we manage to survive our hurt feelings Hekate Apr 2025 #75
Right! I'm from Washington State and wouldn't know a presidential rally if it bit me on the ass. betsuni Apr 2025 #89
When the sweet showers of April have pierced betsuni Apr 2025 #94
Too bad that because a kacekwl Apr 2025 #104
I'm terribly sorry Joe Biden was not superhuman enough for you Hekate Apr 2025 #76
Sitting VPs do not win. They have to build their own agenda and distancing themselves from the question everything Apr 2025 #51
It's much longer than that actually. MichMan Apr 2025 #102
Thanks. Well before my time question everything Apr 2025 #105
Well, it's not like I voted for him either MichMan Apr 2025 #106
I'll be banned if I respond malaise Apr 2025 #13
Same orangecrush Apr 2025 #58
Oh? What color is your horse, Mr. Newsom? 0rganism Apr 2025 #15
It wasn't racist BlueSpot Apr 2025 #37
Interesting. I never said it was racist. 0rganism Apr 2025 #62
Apologies if I misunderstood BlueSpot Apr 2025 #81
This discussion belongs to the primaries forum, which isn't up yet as its still too early. Xolodno Apr 2025 #16
Thanks Hekate Apr 2025 #19
Sorry, DUers, but waiting for the perfect savior & rejecting all others is chronic around here Hekate Apr 2025 #17
Might as well vote for someone that will make an attempt at universal health care AZProgressive Apr 2025 #27
For 8 years I hung out in the Obama Group because the hatred and mockery were unbearable Hekate Apr 2025 #34
I would rather have Obama AZProgressive Apr 2025 #38
Yet another Newsom hate thread? JoseBalow Apr 2025 #20
Well, to quote a long deceased celebrity... Xolodno Apr 2025 #23
That's my sig, but it is Will Rogers. But I watched Roy a lot as a kid. n/t elocs Apr 2025 #29
Brain fart. Xolodno Apr 2025 #35
Been there, done that, more than once. Roy Rodgers comes to mind easier because elocs Apr 2025 #46
It was Will Rogers dwayneb Apr 2025 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Apr 2025 #36
Emotion over thinking. betsuni Apr 2025 #68
I just want a suitable human equipped with a vertebral column. Maru Kitteh Apr 2025 #21
I think a lot of the replies here boil down to shooting the messenger. NT. anamnua Apr 2025 #24
'Kay, Gav. 'Kay. I'll take your words under advisement. dchill Apr 2025 #31
If Gov. Gavin Newsom is our nominee William769 Apr 2025 #39
No you won't. maxsolomon Apr 2025 #84
You do not know me very well. William769 Apr 2025 #110
Apparently you're a quitter. maxsolomon Apr 2025 #111
61 years on this earth as a Gay male. William769 Apr 2025 #112
The Presidential System in our political structure is a problem in itself. thought crime Apr 2025 #40
Then he should start a movement instead of starting primary season 3 years early. He doesn't care about Americans... Blasphemer Apr 2025 #45
Well, I'm certainly not looking at him as he parties AllyCat Apr 2025 #47
By 2028, after Trump has left the country in smoldering ruins, people probably won't be looking for a savior. LudwigPastorius Apr 2025 #49
Oh this is Brer Rabbit adjacent ... LSparkle Apr 2025 #52
I have already ruled him out and would not vote for him in a primary Meowmee Apr 2025 #53
And yet, Newsome is sounding like he wants to be the savior on the white horse. lees1975 Apr 2025 #54
I agree Skittles Apr 2025 #61
Newsom is correct aeromanKC Apr 2025 #57
he really thinks he can win support from the young male bigot Trump worshipers Skittles Apr 2025 #59
My TikTok feed back during the convention was lit up with lots Nixie Apr 2025 #60
Thank you. He is correct. betsuni Apr 2025 #66
We have fascists and Christian Nationalists running our government. SamKnause Apr 2025 #63
Don't ride the white horse....... Celerity Apr 2025 #67
Who said anyone is looking for a white horse? Patton French Apr 2025 #71
Yeah funny 😹 Meowmee Apr 2025 #97
Sorry, I don't think I meant that in the way you interpreted it. Patton French Apr 2025 #98
Perhaps I misunderstood 😁 Meowmee Apr 2025 #99
We need strong candidates both at the local AND national levels. DFW Apr 2025 #72
It's true that many on the left have to fall in love with their candidate but ecstatic Apr 2025 #73
Please keep shooting your mouth off in public, Newsom. Paladin Apr 2025 #74
I wish people would stop characterizing Democrats looking for coordination of our efforts as Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #77
I think we are just looking for the people we hired in government to do their jobs. travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #78
I think he is right. Waiting for a savior isn't a good strategy. Many Democratic lawmakers are doing a great job of Doodley Apr 2025 #79
He made a different comment that bothered me more than this one. Quiet Em Apr 2025 #80
What the hell happened to him? Sky Jewels Apr 2025 #85
I've taken him off my 2028 list. Vinca Apr 2025 #86
So few actual quotes MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2025 #87
Same as Bernie Sanders said, has to be "A party which makes decisions from the bottom on up" and betsuni Apr 2025 #93
I don't find anything wrong here RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #95
He's not completely wrong SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2025 #96
Everyone seeming to turn on Newsom is nuts. Basso8vb Apr 2025 #101
It's 100 percent because he had the guts to say something more than 70 percent of Dems agree with. BannonsLiver Apr 2025 #109
It's certainly not kacekwl Apr 2025 #103
Listen to Newsom! Canada Kid Apr 2025 #107

Xolodno

(7,355 posts)
12. They said the same with a conservative from California.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 07:55 PM
Apr 2025

We got two of them as POTUS. Under estimate to your own peril.

Henry203

(932 posts)
14. A liberal from a conservative state
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:00 PM
Apr 2025

And conservative from a liberal state has a much better chance to win. It is a weird truth. Clinton from Arkansas of Trump from NY.

Xolodno

(7,355 posts)
18. And we are not in the primaries yet either.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:14 PM
Apr 2025

This is not constructive. Shooting down possible candidates before they even hit the campaign trail is a guarantee we will pick the wrong person and certify that a right wing loon will get the office. Let the chips fall first. We have a bad habit of purity tests here and misunderstanding what the populace wants. DU is NOT John and Jane voter. Get over it.

Blasphemer

(3,623 posts)
41. That's not on us. That's on Newsom. He decided to start campaigning 3 years early while Rome burns. nt
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:11 PM
Apr 2025

Response to Henry203 (Reply #14)

Orrex

(67,124 posts)
113. We also got Trump47 as a result
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 02:35 PM
Apr 2025

Underestimate the pigheaded ignorance of the dull electorate at your peril.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
90. Great guy whose career and prez ambitions were sunk by a witty columnist from Chicago...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:52 PM
Apr 2025

And I do mean “sunk” … Mike Royko said much later that he only meant “Governor Moonbeam” in jest, but this country is a funny place, and any Democratic candidate who trips and falls over someone’s prank or joke is likely to be done for.

Jerry Brown was a great man, but his governorship and potus run are decades in the past. Some day we’ll look back at Newsom and say how great he was — I just hope that this current effort from our side (?) to take him down pre-emptively by dragging him through the mud does not succeed. He deserves a better hearing than that.

newdeal2

(5,447 posts)
4. Nonsense. MAGA is all a cult of personality
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:25 PM
Apr 2025

You’re telling me Republicans have a coherent and enticing platform? No, they have a leader that they worship.

Gavin is really damaging himself every time he talks.

Blasphemer

(3,623 posts)
42. Exactly. Plus, Dems have done very well with charismatic presidents (JFK, Clinton, Obama).
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:13 PM
Apr 2025

Maybe he is afraid a new Obama will swoop in and steal his thunder. One can only hope.

regnaD kciN

(27,649 posts)
65. Yeah, it seems like a really odd slant to take...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:57 AM
Apr 2025

…when Trump was nothing but a “man on a white horse” for working class rural whites.

maxsolomon

(38,752 posts)
5. Sure, a "savior on a white horse" isn't what Dems should look for,
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 04:39 PM
Apr 2025

but it's still the candidate with the most Charisma that wins.

Right now, that's still Newsom. Sorry, DU.

AZProgressive

(29,929 posts)
25. He is doing terrible in the early primary polls
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:42 PM
Apr 2025

I think Harris is #1 but AOC is #2. Good luck to Newsom he's going to need it. If I want a charismatic sociopathic I will vote for that but Newsom threw homeless, trans athletes, and abducted migrants under the bus to boost his political chances. Good luck, he's going to need it.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
91. They don't care, and besides something wrong about her will be articulated as soon as she announces
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:53 PM
Apr 2025

BannonsLiver

(20,609 posts)
108. if it's Harris or AOC say hello to another 4 years of Dump or Vance
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:43 PM
Apr 2025

I don't think Newsom would win either but with the racism and misogny in this country those two have no chance at winning an election.

maxsolomon

(38,752 posts)
83. Opinions vary.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:43 PM
Apr 2025

I'd been happy to vote for Buttigieg in the General. I doubt I'll get the opportunity.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
33. Yes, Newsom may just talk himself out of the nomination. He needs to think before he speaks. n/t
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:53 PM
Apr 2025

everyonematters

(4,163 posts)
8. I somewhat agree with him.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:11 PM
Apr 2025

We have to do more than just react to what the Republicans are doing. We need to come up with a message that convinces people we are going to improve their lives. The Republicans have one. It's wrong, but they have one - get rid of illegal immigrants.

everyonematters

(4,163 posts)
70. Democrats make up only 30% of the electorate. You have to convince the 40% who are not
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:23 AM
Apr 2025

Republican or Democrat that the threat is real. Then when they are defeated, then what.

bucolic_frolic

(55,217 posts)
9. What will Dems run on in 2028? Drain the swamp? Fire every MAGA in sight?
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:20 PM
Apr 2025

Would it sell? I mean that's what needs to be done, but that doesn't make it practical, saleable, popular, or likely to happen.

Cha

(319,182 posts)
10. I'm Not.. I'm a Dem. I'm Grateful for the All the
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 05:30 PM
Apr 2025

Dems who are Fighting Back.. like Gov Hochul of New York, Gov Pritzker Ilinois, Gov Shapiro PA.

Not interested in Lectures and what those have to say who get on Fascist "podcast". Bad move.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
11. It doesn't need to be a white horse, but the candidate should be intelligent, empathetic,
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:54 PM
Apr 2025

well spoken and inspiring and not inclined to arm waving but clearly able to win the election. We really need to win this election so it means the candidate should not need to haul the baggage of being the first fill in the blank to win the presidency. Let's get the nation straightened out if we can first. Winning control of the House and Senate would be very good too.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
26. If I had to pick between the 2 of them, I'd say Obama.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:42 PM
Apr 2025

I think the Democratic party screwed up in not having Biden, a sitting vice president of 8 years, run after Obama because I believe he would have beaten Trump and changed history.
I believe that Biden would have beaten Trump again in 2020.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
32. Well, the party did not screw up. Joe's son died horribly of a brain tumor & Joe was gutted....
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:50 PM
Apr 2025

Joe Biden, a human being and a father, was gutted. His decision had nothing to do with the Democratic Party.

I do hope you joined me in voting for Vice President Hilary Clinton though.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
48. Lincoln's 11 year old son died when he was in office and I'm sure he was gutted as well.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:31 PM
Apr 2025

I voted for Hillary who made a big mistake here in Wisconsin by never making even a single general election campaign stop here. Last year Harris was in Wisconsin more times than I could count as well as Trump and both were in my home city. No candidates are ignoring Wisconsin anymore. Trump won here last year by less than 1%.
In '16, lots of Democrats figured that Hillary was a lock to win so that freed them to vote for Jill Stein on the Green Party who received more votes here than Trump's margin of victory.
I've had 1 rock solid rule in my over 50 years of voting--always vote for the Democratic candidate. I was certain that Harris would win last year but I still got out and voted for her.

betsuni

(29,088 posts)
55. Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris both lost by one percentage point and Biden won by less than 1%.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:21 AM
Apr 2025

Unless my information is incorrect. Kamala by about 41,000 and Hillary by 22,748. The "If Only Hillary Had a Few More Rallies for White People" theory that people have is ridiculous.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
69. Having 0 rallies in WI is in no way the same as having a few more rallies for White People.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:12 AM
Apr 2025

Is was an indication to many Democratic voters here that she felt she had the state in the bag, to others, she took winning WI for granted. It can't be said the state was off the beaten path and last year Harris was here all the time.
As I wrote, in "16, Stein received more votes than Trump's margin of victory.
What is ridiculous is your comment about white people. But then I won't be able to see your comments anymore.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
75. 40 million Californians are taken for granted and somehow we manage to survive our hurt feelings
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:41 AM
Apr 2025

I really do not get this obsession. Our Dem presidential candidates spend an inordinate amount of time and energy in the small-population states, and fringe candidates come out and massage a bunch of egos in the edges — for God’s sake, Jill Stein — and then the chorus arises that Dems “ignored” people. Really?

betsuni

(29,088 posts)
89. Right! I'm from Washington State and wouldn't know a presidential rally if it bit me on the ass.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:13 PM
Apr 2025

Would never go to one.

People have, like, TVs and internet, they're not living in caves. Maybe it's that thing where nothing's happening unless people see it with their own two eyes (and even then... ). The Rally obsession: people have been told that rallies are The Way of Political Revolution (and a convenient mindless way to blame Hillary for Trump), and Democrats Ignore the Working Class Because Corrupt the foundation of the ego-savior's religion.

betsuni

(29,088 posts)
94. When the sweet showers of April have pierced
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:29 AM
Apr 2025

The drought of March, and pierced it to the root,
And every vein is bathed in that moisture
Whose quickening force will engender the flower;
And when the west wind too with its sweet breath
Has given life in every wood and field
To tender shoots, and when the stripling sun
Has run his half-course in Aries, the Ram,
And when small birds are making melodies,
That sleep all the long night with open eyes,
(Nature so prompts them, and encourages);
Then people long to insult and bash Democrats before the primaries

kacekwl

(9,161 posts)
104. Too bad that because a
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 12:54 PM
Apr 2025

candidate didn't visit your state would be a reason not to vote for her. Silly infantile bullshit.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
76. I'm terribly sorry Joe Biden was not superhuman enough for you
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:47 AM
Apr 2025

If he had run despite his son’s death, the MAGAGOP would have launched a campaign about Joe’s robotic cold-heartedness and something being wrong with his brain. (I do recall that the fact that Hillary kept her temper in the face of everything got her called robotic and cold)

But no, it’s all his fault that two incredibly qualified female candidates lost to the bone-deep misogyny of America.

question everything

(52,158 posts)
51. Sitting VPs do not win. They have to build their own agenda and distancing themselves from the
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 11:35 PM
Apr 2025

current administration while still serving there. This, really was the problem of Harris.

The only one who did, in the past 60 years was Bush Sr. and he lasted only one term even after the glory of the first gulf war.

MichMan

(17,170 posts)
102. It's much longer than that actually.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 12:24 PM
Apr 2025

The last VP that won the next election as President, other than Bush Sr, was Martin VanBuren. In 1836.

Also, only once in the last 75 years has the same political party won three presidential elections in a row and that was also in 1988.

0rganism

(25,650 posts)
15. Oh? What color is your horse, Mr. Newsom?
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:01 PM
Apr 2025

If this isn't some strategic play for legacy both-sides backfill going into the 2028 general, you're just torpedoing your chance of winning the primary for nothing.

BlueSpot

(1,303 posts)
37. It wasn't racist
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:20 PM
Apr 2025
https://dictionary.langeek.co/en/word/215904

What is the origin of the idiom "ride in on a white horse" and when to use it?

The origin of the idiom "ride in on a white horse" can be traced back to medieval legends and folklore, where the image of a knight on a white horse symbolized heroism, chivalry, and rescue. In medieval literature and tales of romance, knights would often ride on white horses to save damsels in distress or to defend the weak and oppressed. It is often used in discussions about unexpected acts of heroism, particularly in challenging or dire situations.

0rganism

(25,650 posts)
62. Interesting. I never said it was racist.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:24 AM
Apr 2025

But this sudden denial of that which wasn't even implied and a hasty rush to a reference so as to define and shift emphasis to what's already a commonly-known idiom seems a bit heavy handed, enough to make me want to reexamine the premise. Now Gov. Newsom certainly doesn't strike me as any more racist than your typical white American, and given his overall background he's likely less. So why put something out there that could be misconstrued as racial, if not racist, per se?

Thinking more about his words, he says, "We just have to move beyond the guy or gal on the white horse that's going to come save the day — it's exhausting," which I took to mean there's no ready-made leader available (or even desirable) to "rebuild the party...top down" as he later indicates. He's quite careful not to bias the gender of the hypothetical hero figure, but possibly just bypassed that speech filter when it comes to the horse, especially with it being a big part of the impact of the expression -- the maleness of the rider is implicit (viz. "man on a white horse" ) but somehow less essential, nowadays at least. It's really hard (for me) to derive anything actually racist from what he said even if the whiteness of the horse was a racial characterization in some way -- likely more idiomatic than anything. Even so, apparently this counts as a concerning statement, maybe even a gaff. It could easily be clipped and used out-of-context in attack ads during the primaries. In context, it's nothing. But when you have to watch how you say every little thing due to potential out-of-context uses, it's a misstep.

Which brings me back to what I actually did say. If this isn't at least part of a larger strategy for the general election, he has opened himself up to such lines of attack for nothing. Perhaps he's pre-positioning himself for a specific launch vector to his likely presidential run. or it could be a simple unforced error. So thanks for pointing that factor out to me, I'd initially overlooked it, but there's something interesting in there.

BlueSpot

(1,303 posts)
81. Apologies if I misunderstood
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:18 AM
Apr 2025

Your post title was along the lines of what color is YOUR horse. I interpreted that as your objection to the whiteness of the horse in question, as it were.

Xolodno

(7,355 posts)
16. This discussion belongs to the primaries forum, which isn't up yet as its still too early.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:09 PM
Apr 2025

Nor will I visit that forum. It's all too often toxic, full of unsubstantiated inuendo, lies, damn lies, statistics and enough bullshit to fertilize the planet and Mars.

The fact some are already doing the mud slinging is quite telling. Very telling. It's not like he isn't wrong, votes matter and to get them you have to get to people on the ground. Walking around like your ass doesn't stink may work for the GOP, but it won't work for us. To pull the rug from under them, you have to stoop down to grab the rug and pull it.

I don't see this as constructive, just more bickering for the sake of bickering. This type of discussion helps no one and only disenfranchise people. I'm not going to vote based on some few comments people don't like. I'm voting for the best person for the job and if happens to be Newsom, so be it. He's definitely better than what the GOP has to offer. Let's stop sabotaging ourselves.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
17. Sorry, DUers, but waiting for the perfect savior & rejecting all others is chronic around here
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:13 PM
Apr 2025

Unicorns are featured, as are gift ponies. Universal free health care on Day One.

AZProgressive

(29,929 posts)
27. Might as well vote for someone that will make an attempt at universal health care
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:46 PM
Apr 2025

Defending Newsom by bringing up ponies and unicorns is bad faith disagreement.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
34. For 8 years I hung out in the Obama Group because the hatred and mockery were unbearable
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:54 PM
Apr 2025

He’s spelunking! He threw somebody under the bus! He failed to do something he never promised to do! He failed to do something he tried to do but was beaten down by Repubs!

Fucking unbearable.

AZProgressive

(29,929 posts)
38. I would rather have Obama
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:21 PM
Apr 2025

He supported comprehensive immigration reform and for the most part was LGBT friendly.

I had some complaints of Obama but I still voted for him in 2008 & 2012. Someone like Newsom wouldn't be my first choice for a primary. I could understand if he was the Democratic standard bearer but I feel like we have other and better options for 2028.

Xolodno

(7,355 posts)
23. Well, to quote a long deceased celebrity...
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:39 PM
Apr 2025

"I don't belong to any organized political party, I'm a Democrat" - Roy Rodgers

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
46. Been there, done that, more than once. Roy Rodgers comes to mind easier because
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:20 PM
Apr 2025

Will Rogers was before my time.

Response to Xolodno (Reply #23)

dchill

(42,660 posts)
31. 'Kay, Gav. 'Kay. I'll take your words under advisement.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:49 PM
Apr 2025

You seem to have the necessary background.

maxsolomon

(38,752 posts)
111. Apparently you're a quitter.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 12:16 PM
Apr 2025

I'm not sure what you're going to quit, though. The Democratic Party? Voting for President in the general election? Your job?

thought crime

(1,592 posts)
40. The Presidential System in our political structure is a problem in itself.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:03 PM
Apr 2025

We see an obvious Personality Cult around Trump, and Newsom is right to point out the nonsense of hoping for some “Better Personality” that we can all rally behind. What we do need is a very strong movement (or movements) supported by the party. And we need a large coalition that doesn’t work against itself.

Blasphemer

(3,623 posts)
45. Then he should start a movement instead of starting primary season 3 years early. He doesn't care about Americans...
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:20 PM
Apr 2025

He cares about becoming the most powerful man in the world. That's not what this moment calls for. We need someone ready to inspire a movement for change, not "finger in the wind" politics as usual. I'm not buying what he's selling.

AllyCat

(18,858 posts)
47. Well, I'm certainly not looking at him as he parties
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:22 PM
Apr 2025

With the right.

He’s right though. No one is coming to save us.

LudwigPastorius

(14,750 posts)
49. By 2028, after Trump has left the country in smoldering ruins, people probably won't be looking for a savior.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:40 PM
Apr 2025

They'll be ecstatic to just get someone sane, intelligent, and competent in the White House.

LSparkle

(12,189 posts)
52. Oh this is Brer Rabbit adjacent ...
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 11:39 PM
Apr 2025

“Don’t go looking for a savior on a horse ... don’t beg me to run please please please don’t start a Draft Gavin PAC ... “

😳

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
53. I have already ruled him out and would not vote for him in a primary
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:00 AM
Apr 2025

I don’t see anyone yet who I think can win.

lees1975

(7,055 posts)
54. And yet, Newsome is sounding like he wants to be the savior on the white horse.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:17 AM
Apr 2025

Let me say it, make people angry, and go on. I don't know what is going on, but Democrats are squandering every opportunity they've had to prevent this orange headed bastard from grabbing power and beating them over the head with it. He's a criminal and should be in prison right now, but he's in the White House because Democrats sat on their hands and did nothing to stop him for four years, FOUR YEARS! And now they are looking for a hero and scratching their heads trying to figure why a majority of Americans want Trump gone, but won't turn to them to get it done.

Stop the status quo politics. I'm with David Hogg, if we're going to win elections we need leaders who can do it, not those who just want to play political games and do nothing of substance.

Skittles

(171,797 posts)
61. I agree
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:10 AM
Apr 2025

and coddling fascists is not a winning strategy

I'm interested in seeing if David Hogg can achieve real results that embrace democracy and not bigotry.

aeromanKC

(3,895 posts)
57. Newsom is correct
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:35 AM
Apr 2025

It's part of being the adults in the room that the Dems are always having to be.

Skittles

(171,797 posts)
59. he really thinks he can win support from the young male bigot Trump worshipers
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:05 AM
Apr 2025

fucking ridiculous

Nixie

(17,985 posts)
60. My TikTok feed back during the convention was lit up with lots
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:05 AM
Apr 2025

of swooning over Gavin Newsom. I read a lot of the numerous comments there, and they were nothing like the disgusting comments here about the governor of the biggest and most reliably liberal states. A lot of the comments here prove him right.

SamKnause

(14,899 posts)
63. We have fascists and Christian Nationalists running our government.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:34 AM
Apr 2025

They don't believe in democracy.

They want to destroy the federal government.

Tell me why the Democratic Party needs to rebuild itself ???

"We are as dumb as we want to be."

What the fuck is that suppose to mean ???

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
97. Yeah funny 😹
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:41 AM
Apr 2025

I am pretty sure I and many others have a lot more to lose and some like me have already lost what is immeasurable while GN has lost zip, and will be ok no matter what most likely.

Patton French

(1,824 posts)
98. Sorry, I don't think I meant that in the way you interpreted it.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:15 AM
Apr 2025

My point is that we have lots of very capable, passionate leaders out there already. We just need to coalesce and advance with a strong unified message. We don’t need someone on a white horse to ride in out of nowhere to save us.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
99. Perhaps I misunderstood 😁
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:19 AM
Apr 2025

My comment still stands... someone who has lost nothing and who has little to lose should not be saying things like that.

I'm not so sure about our candidates, so far I don't see anyone I think can win.

DFW

(60,215 posts)
72. We need strong candidates both at the local AND national levels.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:52 AM
Apr 2025

Doesn’t anyone remember 2006-2008? Does absolutely no one at the DNC remember the name Howard Dean?

In four years, his vision and tireless efforts helped us retake the House, the Senate and the White House. Was that so bad? He’s not a hermit, you know. Even I have Howard on speed dial. If no one at the DNC does, then they either have some hidden geniuses there they are keeping secret, or they need to get off their high horse (color irrelevant), and hire a few. Or call Howard, maybe beg a bit. (Just kidding—Howard is always willing to impart his knowledge, and help out, even though he will be 77 this year)

There are always people who say they know how to get it done. Howard did it.

ecstatic

(35,080 posts)
73. It's true that many on the left have to fall in love with their candidate but
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:26 AM
Apr 2025

That's not going to change just because Newsom says it should. It is what it is and we just have to work around our shortcomings.

At least we're not cruel, thoughtless thugs who support a lying rapist thug like those in maga.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
74. Please keep shooting your mouth off in public, Newsom.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:41 AM
Apr 2025

The sooner you terminate your future political chances, the better I'll feel. Considering what a monumental disappointment you turned out to be, I suppose I should feel some gratitude for your self-immolation---but I just can't manage it.

Scrivener7

(59,540 posts)
77. I wish people would stop characterizing Democrats looking for coordination of our efforts as
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 09:51 AM
Apr 2025

"looking for a savior."

Coordination of efforts SHOULD BE a basic party function.

Doodley

(11,923 posts)
79. I think he is right. Waiting for a savior isn't a good strategy. Many Democratic lawmakers are doing a great job of
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:22 AM
Apr 2025

opposing Trump, but all of them, some in particular, need to raise their game.

Quiet Em

(2,944 posts)
80. He made a different comment that bothered me more than this one.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:01 AM
Apr 2025

He said he doesn't know what the Democratic Party is and what we stand for. That comment is completely out of touch.

The Democratic Party is about lifting up everyone. The Republican Party is about catering to white men only at the expense of everyone else.

The Democratic Party is about making the economy work for everyone. Affordable housing, decent wages, affordable food, goods and services, access to decent health care and education, jobs and opportunites to thrive. The Republican Party is about enabling corporate greed and protecting millionaires.

The Democratic Party is about diplomacy and forging allies for a safer, better world for everyone. The Republican Party thinks the con artist is a King and the world should bow down to him.

Now I realize that Gavin is concerned that his own son is being influenced by Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson but that is something that he needs to work on, personally. A lot of young men went MAGA. A lot of young men feel like they are being left behind. But their issues and concerns aren't any different or any more real than the issues and concerns of young women, who didn't go MAGA. Eventually young men will realize that voting for bigotry, cruelty and bullying to shake things up is not going to do anything to improve their lives. The pendulum will swing back.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
85. What the hell happened to him?
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 04:08 PM
Apr 2025

Talk about self-destruction! Maybe deep down he doesn't want to be president and is subconsciously sabotaging his chances.

In any case, Baaaiiiiyyyye, Gavin!

NEXT!

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,533 posts)
87. So few actual quotes
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:29 PM
Apr 2025

So much slanted paraphrasing.

"We just have to move beyond the guy or gal on the white horse that's going to come save the day — it's exhausting,"
"This party needs to rebuild itself from the bottom up, not top down. We are as dumb as we want to be."

That is the ONLY direct quote, taken out f context.

What is wrong with that?

Some Democrat is accused of saying something deliberately perceived as "bad," and everyone chucks him or her. WTF.

Who's next on the hit list, I wonder.

betsuni

(29,088 posts)
93. Same as Bernie Sanders said, has to be "A party which makes decisions from the bottom on up" and
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:20 AM
Apr 2025

"We don't need a savior." But Newsom isn't a populist so has been put on the STATUS QUO ESTABLISHMENT BAD list and the populist purity people bash him and others follow. The purity list is long and stupid.

 

RJ-MacReady

(603 posts)
95. I don't find anything wrong here
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 06:21 AM
Apr 2025

He is correct. In fsct he has been correct about just about everything. The only thing I disagree with in is platforming extremists like Bannon and Kirk. Other than that his takes have been spot on all around.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,660 posts)
96. He's not completely wrong
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:36 AM
Apr 2025

When Obama was elected too many expected him to wave a magic wand and undo everything Bush had done in the previous 8 years. But that’s not how government works. Plus many on the left thought there job was done after the election and went home. Unfortunately, the tea party was mobilizing at the same time helping republicans throw roadblocks for everything Obama and democrats wanted to accomplish.

BannonsLiver

(20,609 posts)
109. It's 100 percent because he had the guts to say something more than 70 percent of Dems agree with.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:45 PM
Apr 2025

DU is a bubble.

 

Canada Kid

(257 posts)
107. Listen to Newsom!
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:37 PM
Apr 2025

The guy is right! Democrats are going nowhere! Trying to paddle around with the oars out of the water. After all this time since the election, they are still licking wounds, keeping silent, seemingly have no platform going forward, nobody stepping forward with intent to lead. What the hell is going on? Democratic Americans are feeling quite lost, maybe let down and even betrayed by the lack of any concrete response to all the anarchy we face on a daily basis. This forum seems to be the only "voice" ringing out in support of Democrats. The lack of comments on this site from any prominent Democratic politicians is blinding! What gives?

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