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marmar

(80,096 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:29 AM Apr 2025

The Walls are Starting to Close in On Trump


The Walls are Starting to Close in On Trump
Story by Stephen Silver • 22h


Several weeks of bad polling for U.S. President Donald Trump led to a new poll featuring what, in that poll, is the lowest approval rating of Trump’s second presidency.

....(snip)....

Reuters/Ipsos found that Trump’s approval rating was underwater on most major issues, including “from inflation and immigration to taxation and rule of law.” Even on immigration, traditionally seen as Trump’s strongest issue, 45 percent of Reuters respondents approve and 46 percent disapprove.

Of those polled, 83 percent said the president “ must obey federal court rulings even if he doesn't want to.” In addition, a full two-thirds of respondents, 66 percent, answered that they “did not think the president should be in control of premier cultural institutions such as national museums and theaters.”

....(snip)....

“As more and more Americans begin to feel the pain of his policies, we may well look back on his first 100 days as the prelude to a historically unpopular presidency,” Sosnik, a former adviser to Bill Clinton, wrote in the Times. ..............(more)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-walls-are-starting-to-close-in-on-trump/ar-AA1DoU0J




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The Walls are Starting to Close in On Trump (Original Post) marmar Apr 2025 OP
Does he care about approval ratings? Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #1
And fucking the American people.... Lovie777 Apr 2025 #5
He really loves that part, getting one over on people. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #9
Yep. That's why he creates conflict where there was none BaronChocula Apr 2025 #31
Trump is said to always create division and in fighting amongst his staff. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #38
That part has become essential, I think. dchill Apr 2025 #14
He seems to have cared about his TV ratings, and crowd sizes... Harker Apr 2025 #13
He is emboldened by the sheer size and scope of his power, immunity, and wealth. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #15
If the concept of the relationship of 'hubris' and 'nemesis' has validity Harker Apr 2025 #17
This son of a bitch just keeps falling upwards. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #35
I agree with what liberal comedian Hal Sparks said: New Breed Leader Apr 2025 #30
The weaker his support, the more likely his... pat_k Apr 2025 #33
No. He doesn't care. TomSlick Apr 2025 #44
Great minds think alike marmar Peacetrain Apr 2025 #2
Yes I don't see this ending well for him or republicans its just Tribetime Apr 2025 #3
From your mouth to God's ear wolfie001 Apr 2025 #19
I thought this was the case on January 6th though AdamGG Apr 2025 #34
Obviously tonkatoy8888 Apr 2025 #4
Trump's administration is being assailed on numerous fronts: the courts, the unions, the universities, the law firms, Martin68 Apr 2025 #6
These are the walls I want to see closing in on Trump surfered Apr 2025 #7
Ha! That was my first thought, too. tanyev Apr 2025 #11
Disturbed minds think alike. surfered Apr 2025 #37
Yes Meowmee Apr 2025 #50
I freaking wish EnergizedLib Apr 2025 #8
Good! William769 Apr 2025 #10
"The 100 days of terror" GoodRaisin Apr 2025 #12
I have no idea why but this zany bit keeps creeping into my brain: wolfie001 Apr 2025 #20
What walls? Opinion polls are not going to remove him from power! Towlie Apr 2025 #16
IMPEACHMENT Walls, if Dems retake the House and a bunch of Senate seats Martin Eden Apr 2025 #24
Walls Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #18
Polls Icanthinkformyself Apr 2025 #21
LOL, sure they are, Steve. maxsolomon Apr 2025 #22
Don't get too excited Greg_In_SF Apr 2025 #23
Easy - racism and xenophobia. nt Blasphemer Apr 2025 #40
This is from The Economist ... aggiesal Apr 2025 #25
He who has lived by creating walls... Jrose Apr 2025 #26
faster... Faster.... electric_blue68 Apr 2025 #27
No confidence CountAllVotes Apr 2025 #28
I think he absolutely cares what people think. He wouldn't be so petty and vengeful... 3catwoman3 Apr 2025 #29
It's not low enough and he is a dictator who no longer is harnessed by the law of the land. kimbutgar Apr 2025 #32
According to Rachel Maddow, trump still have a good number of his supporters who support his undemocratic actions LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #36
That is his floor. Those ppl cannot be reasoned with. nt Blasphemer Apr 2025 #41
I hope so, but doubt it. He owns the congress, DOJ and is CIC. Evolve Dammit Apr 2025 #39
TY Kick! Cha Apr 2025 #42
Set walls to CRUSH mode Blue Owl Apr 2025 #43
I see him as slithering out of this self-made abyss. Boomerproud Apr 2025 #45
No, they are not. He doesn't give a fuck about any of this. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2025 #46
Sorry but polls don't matter anymore garybeck Apr 2025 #47
Good! Kath2 Apr 2025 #48
The polls are inadequate. I would like to see the question "Trump should be dead" polled, Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #49
Let me know when they close enough to squash this cockroach. joshdawg Apr 2025 #51
I predicted 2 month ago... Javaman Apr 2025 #52
he doesn't care markie Apr 2025 #53
Too damned late. NNadir Apr 2025 #54

Irish_Dem

(82,416 posts)
1. Does he care about approval ratings?
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:48 AM
Apr 2025

His goal is to become a trillionaire. As long as he can rake in the cash, he is happy.

Irish_Dem

(82,416 posts)
9. He really loves that part, getting one over on people.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:30 AM
Apr 2025

Screwing them, cheating, lying, committing crimes with no consequences.
He really loves this part.

BaronChocula

(4,782 posts)
31. Yep. That's why he creates conflict where there was none
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:15 PM
Apr 2025

He goes up against someone or something that has no interest in a fight and tries to wear them down so they'll concede something and make him look like a winner. Which is just one small part of what makes him a total loser.

Irish_Dem

(82,416 posts)
38. Trump is said to always create division and in fighting amongst his staff.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:31 PM
Apr 2025

He loves all the toadying up to him, jockeying for power, etc.
He gets off on the cruelty.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
14. That part has become essential, I think.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:48 AM
Apr 2025

All his grievance comes from the gut knowledge that more than half of the people absolutely revile him - and he craves either love or vengeance. Draining the country of all its value is that vengeance. Love me or die.

Harker

(18,178 posts)
13. He seems to have cared about his TV ratings, and crowd sizes...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:45 AM
Apr 2025

but no matter the magnitude of his unpopularity it will be, in his little mind, those who disapprove who are wrong.

His personality disorders won't let him accept that he's wrong about anyything.

Irish_Dem

(82,416 posts)
15. He is emboldened by the sheer size and scope of his power, immunity, and wealth.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:48 AM
Apr 2025

Last edited Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

He believes he is brilliant, special, entitled.

I think now he is just all about making money.
That is all he really cares about.

He is also quite angry and his second goal is revenge on everyone.

Harker

(18,178 posts)
17. If the concept of the relationship of 'hubris' and 'nemesis' has validity
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:57 AM
Apr 2025

he's heading for an epic downfall. I hope he lives just long enough to experience it.

Irish_Dem

(82,416 posts)
35. This son of a bitch just keeps falling upwards.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:06 PM
Apr 2025

I agree, in the normal world he would be on a course towards an epic
downfall of Shakespearian proportions.

New Breed Leader

(937 posts)
30. I agree with what liberal comedian Hal Sparks said:
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:04 PM
Apr 2025

Donald Trump is incapable of shame.

...but he CAN be embarrassed.

Those low ratings can help with that.

pat_k

(13,894 posts)
33. The weaker his support, the more likely his...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:33 PM
Apr 2025

... protection squad in Congress starts to crack.

He may not care, but he does care about holding his grip on the party. And he is reportedly afraid of causing a 1929. He would try to unlawfully remove Powell in a heartbeat but for the fact that even a hint that he would take out that stabilizing force sent the markets plummetting -- and so he backed off.

He will follow his worst impulses more often than not though. And that will steepen his already steep downward trajectory.

TomSlick

(13,093 posts)
44. No. He doesn't care.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:35 PM
Apr 2025

One way or the other, he's not running again.

He doesn't give a tinker's dam about his popularity.

Peacetrain

(24,293 posts)
2. Great minds think alike marmar
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:51 AM
Apr 2025
I just posted something similar.. and that to me is a good sign

Tribetime

(7,145 posts)
3. Yes I don't see this ending well for him or republicans its just
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:52 AM
Apr 2025

A matter of time now. There is no escaping their downfall

AdamGG

(1,897 posts)
34. I thought this was the case on January 6th though
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:34 PM
Apr 2025

and the scale of destruction that he can inflict in the next 3 3/4 years is something I try not to dwell on because it's disturbing.

Hopefully, he faces some consequences, but he has a long track record in his life of avoiding that. Best case scenario is probably that he dies, but after seeing that Vance is every bit as committed to Putin's playbook, it won't provide much relief.

We really need to pick up 4 Senate seats in 2026, which is a significant challenge. If Ossoff can hold on, there's Maine, North Carolina, hopefully Sherrod Brown in Ohio (not an easy task, but possible), but then what could be #4?

tonkatoy8888

(203 posts)
4. Obviously
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:55 AM
Apr 2025

"The walls are starting to close in on Trump" means something entirely different for the author of this article than it does to me. For him it means low polling. I don't think anyone in the Trump administration is particularly interested in or concerned about polling. They will just continue on, blithely doing what they want to do. Republicans in the Senate have ceded their power to Trump and the administration seems to have no intention of following court directive, so it's all good to them.

To me, "The walls are starting to close in on Trump" means his staff is packing a go-bag for him, looking for countries without extradition treaties with the US, and making sure Air Force One is gassed up and ready to go.

From my perspective, a big difference.






























Martin68

(28,085 posts)
6. Trump's administration is being assailed on numerous fronts: the courts, the unions, the universities, the law firms,
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:22 AM
Apr 2025

and the polls. I doubt they have the coherence, intelligence, know-how, or balls to withstand this assault, and the pressure will continue to mount.

surfered

(14,356 posts)
7. These are the walls I want to see closing in on Trump
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:24 AM
Apr 2025

And no R2D2 to save him.

https://m.

&pp=ygUhc3RhciB3YXJzIGdhcmJhZ2UgY29tcGFjdG9yIHNjZW5l

Towlie

(5,580 posts)
16. What walls? Opinion polls are not going to remove him from power!
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:49 AM
Apr 2025

That article ends with a link to this one, which says this:

Donald Trump is not slowly creeping toward authoritarianism. He’s sprinting toward it, daring the country to stop him. And so far, nobody has. Not the courts. Not Congress. Not the bureaucratic institutions supposedly designed to resist lawlessness from above. And certainly not his political opponents, who still whisper about norms and proceduralism while the Constitution burns behind them.


If walls are closing in on Trump then apparently they're traditional Japanese walls made of paper. Something more is needed to stop him and it seems like everyone is only complaining and depending upon others to come up with a solution.

Martin Eden

(15,895 posts)
24. IMPEACHMENT Walls, if Dems retake the House and a bunch of Senate seats
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:48 PM
Apr 2025

Seems unlikely, and I'm not sure we'll even have legit midterm elections.

Also, I don't like the prospect of President Vance.

Icanthinkformyself

(427 posts)
21. Polls
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:17 PM
Apr 2025

are meaningless when the vote is counted by ElonComputers. Before we have a wet dream we should give reality a look see.

maxsolomon

(39,158 posts)
22. LOL, sure they are, Steve.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:41 PM
Apr 2025

Other than a Federal Judge here and there, there's nothing standing in the way.

The wholesale revanchist dismantling of the Federal bureaucracy continues unabated.

We haven't even gotten to the Reconciliation Bill that's coming.

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,312 posts)
23. Don't get too excited
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:45 PM
Apr 2025

While it's nice to point out the one poll where he is at 42%, the average of the major polls has him at 46.6%.

How it's that high, no one knows.

aggiesal

(10,920 posts)
25. This is from The Economist ...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:51 PM
Apr 2025

More graphs in the article, but I displayed the graph of the President's 1st 100 days for each President since 2008.


Jrose

(1,536 posts)
26. He who has lived by creating walls...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 12:58 PM
Apr 2025

will be surrounded and crushed as a consequence of his walls.

CountAllVotes

(22,240 posts)
28. No confidence
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:00 PM
Apr 2025

The con man has lost all of the confidence he had managed to acquire.

What is left are the diehards, those that have played his Wall Street game and followed his "tips".

It is a sickening situation but the reality is that no one can trust him or believe in him any more.

They need to find a way to remove him from the Office of the President as he is anything but a President. He is a con man plain and simple.



3catwoman3

(29,815 posts)
29. I think he absolutely cares what people think. He wouldn't be so petty and vengeful...
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:04 PM
Apr 2025

...if he didn't. He is completely unable to ignore even the smallest slight or insult.

How many times have we heard him rant about being treated poorly, or complain that someone was "not nice" to him, or express great admiration for some real creep who strokes his ego?

kimbutgar

(27,563 posts)
32. It's not low enough and he is a dictator who no longer is harnessed by the law of the land.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:26 PM
Apr 2025

I am so ashamed of my country now. He has ruined our international reputation and will destroy the robust economy President Biden created.

RIP America 1776-2024

LetMyPeopleVote

(182,269 posts)
36. According to Rachel Maddow, trump still have a good number of his supporters who support his undemocratic actions
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 02:11 PM
Apr 2025

A new poll suggests roughly a fourth of GOP voters support giving the president authority over the rule of law and civic institutions.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/latest-polls-point-sizable-gop-support-trumps-authoritarian-style-ambi-rcna202387

While Donald Trump’s allies keep trying to convince the public that his public support is “soaring” and “skyrocketing,” the president himself claims his approval rating is “in the high 70s,” reality keeps getting in the way. In fact, the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll found Trump’s backing down to just 42% — an unusually low number for an incumbent president just three months into his term.

But while the topline results were of interest, it was some of the issue-specific data that stood out for me. From the same national survey (click the link for details about methodology and the margin of error):

23% of Republican voters said the president should defy court orders he disagrees with.
28% of Republican voters said the president should withhold funding from universities he disagrees with.
26% of Republican voters said the president should control national museums and theaters.


Some might see this and feel a sense of relief, since the views are not a majority. But the flip side is true, too: The Reuters/Ipsos data suggests roughly a fourth of rank-and-file GOP voters are on board with a radical vision in which a president has authoritarian-style authority over the rule of law and civic institutions.

This comes on the heels of a recent CBS News/YouGov poll that found 44% of Republican voters said federal judges should not be allowed to review Trump’s policies.....

The more Trump sees evidence that his party’s base approves of authoritarian tactics as legitimate, the more likely it is that the incumbent president will continue to flout the nation’s constitutional system.

Rachel discussed some of these polling results last night. There are good number of trump supporters who are nut cases and want to do away with our democratic form of government

Boomerproud

(9,369 posts)
45. I see him as slithering out of this self-made abyss.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:41 PM
Apr 2025

He's done it time and time again. I fervently wish I was wrong-but I trust my instinct on this. I can't describe how hopeless it makes me feel.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,079 posts)
46. No, they are not. He doesn't give a fuck about any of this.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:37 PM
Apr 2025

He doesn’t care about polls. He doesn’t care about any of this because it’s all meaningless. None of it is going to stop Project 2025. None of it is going to stop the horrific things these people are doing. The crashing of the markets will continue, the flaunting of laws and courts will continue. Public opinion polls aren’t going to bring back funding for diseases, healthcare, education or stop ICE from grabbing people off the streets.

These people are there for four fucking years. He’s not going anywhere unless he drops dead. This country is already fundamentally changed by the actions of the people making this policy, which is not him, and will be completely unrecognizable by the time they’re done.

The elected Republicans are the only people who can stop this and as Murkowski said, the ones who know better are all scared to death. The others actively want these things to happen. They won’t do anything at all to put an end to it.

Walls closing in? Hardly.

garybeck

(10,086 posts)
47. Sorry but polls don't matter anymore
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:12 PM
Apr 2025

popular opinion is meaningless in dictatorships.
most of history's worst dictators were hugely unpopular

and if you think the next election is going to fix this because we have free and fair elections,
you are even further wasting your time

the possible ways this could end any time soon are diminishing

Kath2

(3,192 posts)
48. Good!
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:21 PM
Apr 2025

Impeach, remove and replace! Let’s elect more Democrats like AOC and be done with this fascist bigot.

Jack Valentino

(5,252 posts)
49. The polls are inadequate. I would like to see the question "Trump should be dead" polled,
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 11:36 PM
Apr 2025

and see how many people respond positively to THAT....

just because I am very interested in polling statistics.

joshdawg

(2,980 posts)
51. Let me know when they close enough to squash this cockroach.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:35 AM
Apr 2025

They cannot close fast enough to suit me.

Javaman

(65,988 posts)
52. I predicted 2 month ago...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:35 AM
Apr 2025

that within 3 to 6 months he will order the national guard, or more likely, one of the fucked up militias to fire on a crowd of protestors.

I truly hope I'm wrong.

markie

(24,074 posts)
53. he doesn't care
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:32 AM
Apr 2025

he is in office, he is making bucks, he has people around him that kowtow, and he feels invincible... he doesn't care about opinion polls, he doesn't care about other people's lives, he just doesn't care

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