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New Yorker cartoon today: (re Schumer) (Original Post) IcyPeas Apr 2025 OP
Ouch. nt Susan Calvin Apr 2025 #1
Double "Ouch!" Jon Stewart jumped on him last night. Grins Apr 2025 #20
The shoe fits! He is useless in a fight to keep our democracy. Actually he is just plain useless. rich7862 Apr 2025 #2
Elaine would get this one. Xavier Breath Apr 2025 #3
They took my rants, and turned them into an image. yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #4
Isn't he aware how weak he sounds when doc03 Apr 2025 #5
Sorry to say it, but Schumer earned that scornful toon, fair and square. Paladin Apr 2025 #6
Write it on a fiddle lame54 Apr 2025 #7
Pretty embarrassing. calimary Apr 2025 #8
The political world changed. Sen. Schumer didn't. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2025 #9
Gingrich saw the possibility markodochartaigh Apr 2025 #11
Oh, I Hate/d Gingrich! Flame throwing Droog! electric_blue68 Apr 2025 #13
Pritzker is coming on stronger and stronger. nt moniss Apr 2025 #10
A good portion of his ranting was directed to the middling crowd wolfie001 Apr 2025 #17
More apt an analogy than the New Yorker even realizes... Steven Maurer Apr 2025 #12
Question Cirsium Apr 2025 #16
Answer Steven Maurer Apr 2025 #21
Sorry Cirsium Apr 2025 #23
I didn't say we're OK. I said there's nothing better to do. Steven Maurer Apr 2025 #24
Whoa Cirsium Apr 2025 #25
The best argument against Democracy.... Steven Maurer Apr 2025 #26
To stop Godzilla, do we need King Kong? thought crime Apr 2025 #18
More power to Bernie and AOC.... however... Steven Maurer Apr 2025 #22
He'll win them over in the Senate work out room LiberalLovinLug Apr 2025 #14
Yikes! Bet that hurts ... but apt. KPN Apr 2025 #15
And a giant nerf cannon orangecrush Apr 2025 #19
"namby pamby" Intractable Apr 2025 #27

Grins

(9,525 posts)
20. Double "Ouch!" Jon Stewart jumped on him last night.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:26 PM
Apr 2025

Same issue, the “strongly written letter.”

 

rich7862

(492 posts)
2. The shoe fits! He is useless in a fight to keep our democracy. Actually he is just plain useless.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:56 PM
Apr 2025

doc03

(39,188 posts)
5. Isn't he aware how weak he sounds when
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 06:47 PM
Apr 2025

he says he is going to write a strongly worded letter. With all his decades in politics he seems clueless.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
6. Sorry to say it, but Schumer earned that scornful toon, fair and square.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 06:48 PM
Apr 2025

trump is making major errors and overreaches, every single day---he's in the process of gutting his dangerous regime, making his shitty reputation even shittier, and giving Democrats another chance to save this country---if our leadership is smart enough and brave enough to take advantage of it.

Leading Democrats: Get busy! Now!

calimary

(90,835 posts)
8. Pretty embarrassing.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 06:55 PM
Apr 2025

Why are you even there, Schumer? What actual good are you doing?

How does this work? You're famous and you're set for life. So what does that mean for the rest of us (besides NOTHING)?

Buns_of_Fire

(19,222 posts)
9. The political world changed. Sen. Schumer didn't.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 07:14 PM
Apr 2025

"Rope-a-dope" worked for Ali, but it's not going to work in a political context if he's relying on the common sense of the American electorate.

Today, it's a fight against oligarchs, Nazis, and fanatics. "Let us reason together" doesn't register with a group impervious to reason.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
11. Gingrich saw the possibility
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:09 PM
Apr 2025

when so many authoritarian Republicans from the South and West were elected under Reagan. He started the zero sum, take no prisoners approach which had fallen out of favor after No Shame" McCarthy's witch hunts became embarrassingly rude. After Gingrich, the Republican far reich-wing were able to gain more and more control of their party. Many elite Democratic politicians and voters really have no understanding that their Republican golf buddies could ever be in bed with, much less controlled by, uncouth rabble-rousing Republicans whose only objectives are power and money. A lot of people on the Democratic side had such fun wrestling with their pet tiger on the Persian rug that it is difficult for them to believe that the tiger has grown up and sees them as prey.

wolfie001

(7,975 posts)
17. A good portion of his ranting was directed to the middling crowd
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:10 PM
Apr 2025

Cooperation is not an option with Nazis.

Steven Maurer

(511 posts)
12. More apt an analogy than the New Yorker even realizes...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:17 PM
Apr 2025

Yes, I get that sternly worded letters to a functional illiterate doesn't do anything.

But when Godzilla is rampaging down 5th Street, what do you propose to do instead?

We don't have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and most of the Supreme Court have been reduced to partisan hacks.

What is Schumer not doing that would stop this?

Steven Maurer

(511 posts)
21. Answer
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:58 PM
Apr 2025

I think what can be done already is being done.

Trump is breaking the law. Democratic AGs are suing - quite successfully in many places - to stop it.

As for the Senate, honestly all that we can do is point out to Republicans that what goes around comes around. I see Schumer's "strongly worded letter" as about as effective as a "big Sanders rally composed of everyone who already didn't vote for Trump". Neither will actually do anything, but at least they raise awareness.

So I don't see the point in mocking either.

Cirsium

(4,114 posts)
23. Sorry
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:52 PM
Apr 2025

First of all, I did not mean to mock you. It was a serious question. Sorry that it came across wrong.

Thanks for your answer. So you think we are doing OK, and should "stay the course" - what can be done already is being done.

Steven Maurer

(511 posts)
24. I didn't say we're OK. I said there's nothing better to do.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:47 PM
Apr 2025

Voters are often like dumbass teenagers going through a phase. Often they're filled with such pride, arrogance, and foolishness, that the the only thing that teaches them is the consequences of their own actions. They refuse to listen to anything else.

Cirsium

(4,114 posts)
25. Whoa
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:36 PM
Apr 2025

I strongly disagree with everything you just said: blaming the voters for the failures of leadership, saying that they need to be punished to get them to do what we want them to do - "the only thing that teaches them is the consequences of their own actions." Who would ever want to join a movement that said that about them?

"Hey you dumbass teenagers going through a phase, you prideful arrogant, foolish people, you need to be taught a hard lesson. You won't listen to anything, and things are all FUBAR because of YOU. We know what is best for you and if you don't vote for us you will be sorry."

Beside being the worst possible messaging none that is even true.

That attitude represents everything that is wrong with the approach taken by too many Democrats or too long.

Steven Maurer

(511 posts)
26. The best argument against Democracy....
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:42 PM
Apr 2025

...is a five minute conversation with an average voter.

~ Winston Churchill


You think Germans didn't know who they were voting for in 1933?

You think racist whites and sexist men of all colors didn't know who they were voting for in 2025?

Obviously evil people don't stop being evil just because they're properly identified as what they are. But I'm not running for office here. I'm just telling the truth.

Leadership did not fail. When racists and sexists get comfortable, they vote their hatreds. Then, when the villainous fools they elect to office hurt them, they'll hold their nose to vote for Democrats to fix things. But as soon as we do, they get comfortable and go right back to voting for evil again. Round and round we go.

thought crime

(1,787 posts)
18. To stop Godzilla, do we need King Kong?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:21 PM
Apr 2025

As you said, Democrats have almost no power at the federal level, and that is why Schumer looks so weak. Because he is weak, and worse, he personifies weakness.

There is a danger that the urge to “Fight fire with fire” could lead to monsters on both sides. Being a fan of “Godzilla Minus One” (the best Godzilla?) I hope we can fight the monster without becoming monsters, but by resisting as better humans. Bernie and AOC are leading the Movement. We all need to join and grow that movement. Anti-Fascist. Anti-Racist.

Steven Maurer

(511 posts)
22. More power to Bernie and AOC.... however...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 06:00 PM
Apr 2025

Everything they're doing is EXACTLY as effective as a strongly worded letter. It makes the participants feel good in expressing themselves, but doesn't change the situation.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,757 posts)
14. He'll win them over in the Senate work out room
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 09:43 PM
Apr 2025

"When you're on that bike in your shorts, panting away next to a Republican, a lot of the inhibitions come off."

Intractable

(2,394 posts)
27. "namby pamby"
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 11:55 PM
Apr 2025

It's not a phrase I ever use.

It's not one I hear often, if ever.

Eight or ten years ago, I watched someone interview Schumer. I was already not a fan. Never was.

Schumer described something or someone as being "namby pamby."

It really stuck with me. I said to myself, "That's why I don't like him! He's namby pamby. And he uses phrases like namby pamby."

I believe that Schumer is more responsible than anyone else for the exit of Al Franken. Franken would have made an excellent and aggressive Senate Leader, unlike Schumer.

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