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(2,469 posts)Grins
(9,525 posts)Same issue, the strongly written letter.
rich7862
(492 posts)Xavier Breath
(6,681 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,497 posts)It is worth a thousand words.
doc03
(39,188 posts)he says he is going to write a strongly worded letter. With all his decades in politics he seems clueless.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)trump is making major errors and overreaches, every single day---he's in the process of gutting his dangerous regime, making his shitty reputation even shittier, and giving Democrats another chance to save this country---if our leadership is smart enough and brave enough to take advantage of it.
Leading Democrats: Get busy! Now!
lame54
(40,114 posts)calimary
(90,835 posts)Why are you even there, Schumer? What actual good are you doing?
How does this work? You're famous and you're set for life. So what does that mean for the rest of us (besides NOTHING)?
Buns_of_Fire
(19,222 posts)"Rope-a-dope" worked for Ali, but it's not going to work in a political context if he's relying on the common sense of the American electorate.
Today, it's a fight against oligarchs, Nazis, and fanatics. "Let us reason together" doesn't register with a group impervious to reason.
markodochartaigh
(5,545 posts)when so many authoritarian Republicans from the South and West were elected under Reagan. He started the zero sum, take no prisoners approach which had fallen out of favor after No Shame" McCarthy's witch hunts became embarrassingly rude. After Gingrich, the Republican far reich-wing were able to gain more and more control of their party. Many elite Democratic politicians and voters really have no understanding that their Republican golf buddies could ever be in bed with, much less controlled by, uncouth rabble-rousing Republicans whose only objectives are power and money. A lot of people on the Democratic side had such fun wrestling with their pet tiger on the Persian rug that it is difficult for them to believe that the tiger has grown up and sees them as prey.
electric_blue68
(27,353 posts)moniss
(9,150 posts)wolfie001
(7,975 posts)Cooperation is not an option with Nazis.
Steven Maurer
(511 posts)Yes, I get that sternly worded letters to a functional illiterate doesn't do anything.
But when Godzilla is rampaging down 5th Street, what do you propose to do instead?
We don't have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and most of the Supreme Court have been reduced to partisan hacks.
What is Schumer not doing that would stop this?
Cirsium
(4,114 posts)Do you think nothing can be done?
Steven Maurer
(511 posts)I think what can be done already is being done.
Trump is breaking the law. Democratic AGs are suing - quite successfully in many places - to stop it.
As for the Senate, honestly all that we can do is point out to Republicans that what goes around comes around. I see Schumer's "strongly worded letter" as about as effective as a "big Sanders rally composed of everyone who already didn't vote for Trump". Neither will actually do anything, but at least they raise awareness.
So I don't see the point in mocking either.
Cirsium
(4,114 posts)First of all, I did not mean to mock you. It was a serious question. Sorry that it came across wrong.
Thanks for your answer. So you think we are doing OK, and should "stay the course" - what can be done already is being done.
Steven Maurer
(511 posts)Voters are often like dumbass teenagers going through a phase. Often they're filled with such pride, arrogance, and foolishness, that the the only thing that teaches them is the consequences of their own actions. They refuse to listen to anything else.
Cirsium
(4,114 posts)I strongly disagree with everything you just said: blaming the voters for the failures of leadership, saying that they need to be punished to get them to do what we want them to do - "the only thing that teaches them is the consequences of their own actions." Who would ever want to join a movement that said that about them?
"Hey you dumbass teenagers going through a phase, you prideful arrogant, foolish people, you need to be taught a hard lesson. You won't listen to anything, and things are all FUBAR because of YOU. We know what is best for you and if you don't vote for us you will be sorry."
Beside being the worst possible messaging none that is even true.
That attitude represents everything that is wrong with the approach taken by too many Democrats or too long.
Steven Maurer
(511 posts)...is a five minute conversation with an average voter.
~ Winston Churchill
You think Germans didn't know who they were voting for in 1933?
You think racist whites and sexist men of all colors didn't know who they were voting for in 2025?
Obviously evil people don't stop being evil just because they're properly identified as what they are. But I'm not running for office here. I'm just telling the truth.
Leadership did not fail. When racists and sexists get comfortable, they vote their hatreds. Then, when the villainous fools they elect to office hurt them, they'll hold their nose to vote for Democrats to fix things. But as soon as we do, they get comfortable and go right back to voting for evil again. Round and round we go.
thought crime
(1,787 posts)As you said, Democrats have almost no power at the federal level, and that is why Schumer looks so weak. Because he is weak, and worse, he personifies weakness.
There is a danger that the urge to Fight fire with fire could lead to monsters on both sides. Being a fan of Godzilla Minus One (the best Godzilla?) I hope we can fight the monster without becoming monsters, but by resisting as better humans. Bernie and AOC are leading the Movement. We all need to join and grow that movement. Anti-Fascist. Anti-Racist.
Steven Maurer
(511 posts)Everything they're doing is EXACTLY as effective as a strongly worded letter. It makes the participants feel good in expressing themselves, but doesn't change the situation.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,757 posts)"When you're on that bike in your shorts, panting away next to a Republican, a lot of the inhibitions come off."
KPN
(17,512 posts)orangecrush
(31,182 posts)Intractable
(2,394 posts)It's not a phrase I ever use.
It's not one I hear often, if ever.
Eight or ten years ago, I watched someone interview Schumer. I was already not a fan. Never was.
Schumer described something or someone as being "namby pamby."
It really stuck with me. I said to myself, "That's why I don't like him! He's namby pamby. And he uses phrases like namby pamby."
I believe that Schumer is more responsible than anyone else for the exit of Al Franken. Franken would have made an excellent and aggressive Senate Leader, unlike Schumer.
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