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EnergizedLib

(3,034 posts)
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:10 PM May 2025

Why does character matter when it comes to oppressed minorities?

Character doesn’t matter for them when it comes to their cult leader, but it does matter when


- George Floyd was murdered (tried excusing it because of his past)

- Ahmaud Arbery was killed for no reason (tried defending it through his past)

- Kilmar Abrego Garcia was deported without due process (bringing up his past wrongdoings)

A person who makes bad choices is still entitled to certain legal protections and you can’t just do literally whatever you want to them just because of their mistakes in life.

We’re not defending illegals or criminals. We’re defending legal rights.

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Why does character matter when it comes to oppressed minorities? (Original Post) EnergizedLib May 2025 OP
You're right of course. choie May 2025 #1
What about people who happen to be here illegally? EnergizedLib May 2025 #2
then they are people who are here illegally. choie May 2025 #3
And if you're going to say that it is just semantics... choie May 2025 #5
We don't even consider that for any other crime. unblock May 2025 #6
Human beings Cirsium May 2025 #8
A nation is built on principles and can quickly fall apart without them. Trust_Reality May 2025 #4
We're witnessing that in real time EnergizedLib May 2025 #7
It has always been like this. Behind the Aegis May 2025 #9

choie

(6,905 posts)
1. You're right of course.
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:29 PM
May 2025

But I would suggest that you may want to stop using the term "illegals". People aren't "illegal". They're undocumented.

choie

(6,905 posts)
3. then they are people who are here illegally.
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:32 PM
May 2025

They are not "illegals". That's a repugnant way of demeaning people.

choie

(6,905 posts)
5. And if you're going to say that it is just semantics...
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:35 PM
May 2025

words are important, they are used to describe and frame. As we've seen by the monster we have as president, language matters.

unblock

(56,198 posts)
6. We don't even consider that for any other crime.
Sat May 3, 2025, 12:35 PM
May 2025

A murderer isn't "an illegal" the act may have been illegal, but the person is not "an illegal".

Same for a robber or anything else. Only for immigration, which involves quite a lot of red tape, do they call human beings "illegal", even if it may just be a bureaucratic error or accident.

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
9. It has always been like this.
Sat May 3, 2025, 03:22 PM
May 2025

If a minority does good or is the "first", then they are called out by some to the tune of "why does it matter". Others will praise them, but it is backhanded in someways in that it is more of "See? There are good ones!". There are those, of course, who recognize the importance of a minority succeeding or being first, sadly, IMO, they seem to be fading fast.

When a minority does "bad", of course, it is a representation of ALL minorities in that group, and said members are attacked, called to repudiate the "bad one", or some other set of parlor games in order to appease the majority and their dingleberry hangers-on.

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