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gab13by13

(32,319 posts)
Mon May 5, 2025, 07:16 AM May 2025

Nope, Not Getting A Flu Shot This Fall

If it's the flu shot developed by a Krasnov doctor. The flu shot will be one that was developed in the 1940's and abandoned because of newer vaccines.

The flu vaccine being developed is based on old science and makes a guess which strain of flu will be around and if they don't guess right the shot is worthless.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/it-s-mind-blowing-scientists-puzzled-by-trump-team-s-500-million-bet-on-old-technology/ar-AA1Eb3Ce?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=a8be6fdfe7684e08ba3d1ba112b9084a&ei=22

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yardwork

(69,364 posts)
1. Wow. This is bad.
Mon May 5, 2025, 07:22 AM
May 2025

From the article: Their vaccine is made by inactivating influenza viruses with a carcinogenic chemical called beta-propiolactone. Scientists have used the chemical to neutralize viruses since at least the 1950s. This whole-virus inactivation method, mostly using other chemicals, was the standard way to make flu vaccines into the 1970s, when it was modified, partly because whole-virus vaccines caused high fevers or even seizures in children.

I almost wonder if they're deliberately trying to get adverse effects so that they can prove that vaccines are dangerous?

RFK, Jr. is insane.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
4. In the news release, HHS described the vaccine as "in advanced trials" and said it would induce "robust" responses and "
Mon May 5, 2025, 07:47 AM
May 2025

In the news release, HHS described the vaccine as “in advanced trials” and said it would induce “robust” responses and “long-lasting protection.” But Taubenberger and his colleagues haven’t published a complete human study of the vaccine yet. A study showing the vaccine protected mice from the flu appeared in 2022.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
9. This is what HHS actually said about the testing of the new vaccines.
Mon May 5, 2025, 08:09 AM
May 2025

A more complete quote: "Clinical trials for universal influenza vaccines are scheduled to begin in 2026, with FDA approval targeted for 2029. The intranasal BPL-1357 flu vaccine, currently in advanced trials, is also on track for FDA review by 2029.

https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-nih-announces-generation-gold-standard.html

Also the trials for the intranasal vaccine began in 2022. https://globalbiodefense.com/2022/06/28/us-begins-phase-1-clinical-trial-of-universal-flu-vaccine/

To the extent the OP and some of the comments in this thread may dissuade people from getting a flu shot this year, they are doing a grave disservice to folks.



 

Littlered

(347 posts)
6. It's certainly not a well written article.
Mon May 5, 2025, 08:03 AM
May 2025

Sounds more like sour grapes (over funding) more than anything else. The flue vaccine has always been a crapshoot. Last years was mediocre at best. This coming years has already been decided. Don’t let the fear mongers lead you to making bad decisions. It’s going to be same partially effective crapshoot we have become used to.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/influenza-vaccine-composition-2025-2026-us-influenza-season#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20the,H3N2)%2Dlike%20virus%3B%20and

onenote

(46,140 posts)
7. The current vaccines are not the ones you describe. You're misleading people, dangerously.
Mon May 5, 2025, 08:04 AM
May 2025

The initiative described in the linked article is to develop a "universal" flu vaccine based on old technology. A bad idea.

But the current vaccines being recommended for this season are NOT vaccines based on the old technology. Sometimes it helps to go to the source, which in this case is the statement announcing the 'universal' vaccine initiative, which indicates that "Clinical trials for universal influenza vaccines are scheduled to begin in 2026, with FDA approval targeted for 2029. The intranasal BPL-1357 flu vaccine, currently in advanced trials, is also on track for FDA review by 2029."

If you don't want to get the flu vaccine this fall, that's your individual decision. But sharing incomplete and misleading information that might cause others not to get a flu shot is just as irresponsible as the nonsense being spewed by RFK, Jr.

You should update your post to make clear the new "universal" vaccine being discussed isn't this year's vaccine.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,230 posts)
10. You are spreading misinformation- you should delete this OP
Mon May 5, 2025, 09:32 AM
May 2025

See post #7

How bad would you feel if your post convinced an elderly DU’er to skip the vaccine based on your misinformation, and they got seriously ill, hospitalized or died?

BTW, every year, scientists make their best “guess” as to which strains will be most prevalent- that’s nothing new.

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