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(Hoax??) Harvard corrected the grammar in Secretary of Education Linda McMahon's threat letter (Original Post) Demovictory9 May 2025 OP
Now that's some graduate-level trolling LearnedHand May 2025 #1
... SheltieLover May 2025 #20
See reply 25. It was done by a grad student at MIT who never claimed it was Harvard's reply. highplainsdem May 2025 #28
Here are 2 pages of the corrections....... riversedge May 2025 #2
Done by a grad student at MIT who didn't pretend it was Harvard's response. See reply 25. highplainsdem May 2025 #29
I love this. sop May 2025 #3
These grammatical corrections don't come close to fixing this document. yardwork May 2025 #4
Indeed-- the main problems were the ridiculous lies and hyperbole and it read just like a LymphocyteLover May 2025 #14
I thought the same. yardwork May 2025 #33
Yes, agreed. This whole admin is deeply evil and deeply embarrassing at the same time LymphocyteLover May 2025 #40
True, but MIT grads don't have the power to impeach Trumpy. FSogol May 2025 #37
Sheesh! The moron hired moron staffers to help her too. brush May 2025 #54
This letter is going to be used in the lawsuit with Harvard and should had been reviewed before sending LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #56
According to the biography on TV (Suits) mercuryblues May 2025 #5
A fake trophy belt at that orangecrush May 2025 #13
As much as I would like to think it was Harvard that did this mdbl May 2025 #6
Did the interenet lie to me AGAIN!!! Demovictory9 May 2025 #8
Honestly, I don't know how you fell for it in the first place. Lol! n/t demmiblue May 2025 #9
I put this under the "They didn't but should have" category mdbl May 2025 #10
Please delete your OP before it fools more people into reccing it (making DU look silly) or copying it highplainsdem May 2025 #15
i wish we had a rule against shit that just isnt true. mopinko May 2025 #41
I wouldn't want people alerted on and possibly having posts removed simply because they believed highplainsdem May 2025 #46
not every post removed counts against u. mopinko May 2025 #53
Harvard did not do this. n/t demmiblue May 2025 #7
33 now. Embarrassing for DU and anyone who copies it elsewhere. highplainsdem May 2025 #17
It looks like the admins took it off the front page, at least. demmiblue May 2025 #30
Good. I wish people would check out memes before posting them here. highplainsdem May 2025 #36
No kidding! demmiblue May 2025 #60
Comedy gold orangecrush May 2025 #11
Very unlikely any Harvard administrator or professor did this. A student, possibly. highplainsdem May 2025 #12
Can they work on his inability to comprehend the concept of defending the constitution also? Brainfodder May 2025 #16
Consider the origin of the letter. You can't expect correct English from someone who wasn't even writing in English. DFW May 2025 #18
Also, Republicans write "day's" instead of "days." raging moderate May 2025 #49
Even if this was not done by Harvard, it needed to be done. She is a nincompoop. (sp?) FailureToCommunicate May 2025 #19
And it needs to be spread. Scrivener7 May 2025 #21
No, it doesn't. Not unless it's labeled clearly as being done by a student at MIT. highplainsdem May 2025 #23
. Scrivener7 May 2025 #24
See reply 25. It was done by an MIT student the night of the 5th. Someone either stupidly or deliberately highplainsdem May 2025 #27
Ha! Now that IS funny. Reminds me of the old joke about the student in the FailureToCommunicate May 2025 #26
A1! tishaLA May 2025 #22
FOUND THE SOURCE of this. A grad student at MIT who posted this on Twitter. highplainsdem May 2025 #25
Like they say the places I worked.... Norbert May 2025 #31
Now THAT is ironically funny. Clever move. n/t elocs May 2025 #32
Your thread title adding "(Hoax??)" is STILL misleading. You're leaving open the possibility the corrections highplainsdem May 2025 #34
This OP is misleading in several ways. yardwork May 2025 #35
See reply 25 for the origin. highplainsdem May 2025 #38
I saw that but haven't verified it. yardwork May 2025 #39
I hate to rain on this parade ... Straw Man May 2025 #42
Same. yardwork May 2025 #43
The writing is mediocre at best while the content is appalling. Ocelot II May 2025 #52
Do you think that a lawyer reviewed this letter? LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #57
If a lawyer did draft or review it, they would have been a typical Trump admin lawyer - Ocelot II May 2025 #59
Dangerous incompetence and malignant evil Mysterian May 2025 #44
Effin perfect malaise May 2025 #45
Harvard didn't correct her letter. See reply 25. highplainsdem May 2025 #47
Someone did malaise May 2025 #48
The correction is funny. Misattributing it to Harvard isn't. highplainsdem May 2025 #50
"D+ - C-. See me after class." nt Buns_of_Fire May 2025 #51
Linda McMahon's unhinged letter should only strengthen Harvard's resistance LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #55
I figured it wasn't really Harvard Bettie May 2025 #58

highplainsdem

(62,145 posts)
28. See reply 25. It was done by a grad student at MIT who never claimed it was Harvard's reply.
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:26 AM
May 2025

riversedge

(80,810 posts)
2. Here are 2 pages of the corrections.......
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:04 AM
May 2025



Sec’y of Education A-1 McMahon sent a letter to the President of Harvard.
The superb educator kindly corrected her grammatical & many other errors.
Bravo Harvard 👊👊🏻👊🏼👊🏽👊🏾👊🏿

#DemsUnited


yardwork

(69,364 posts)
4. These grammatical corrections don't come close to fixing this document.
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:16 AM
May 2025

I would have sent this back for a complete rewrite.

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
14. Indeed-- the main problems were the ridiculous lies and hyperbole and it read just like a
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:49 AM
May 2025

dumb Trump tweet, but longer and dumber.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
33. I thought the same.
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:39 AM
May 2025

Written by the same person who writes Trump's tweets.

I doubt that anybody at Harvard made these corrections. It's an internet joke, but the truth is worse. It's dark and grim.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
56. This letter is going to be used in the lawsuit with Harvard and should had been reviewed before sending
Wed May 7, 2025, 03:44 PM
May 2025

Litigation had already been filed and so this letter should have been reviewed. This letter will be used in the litigation

mercuryblues

(16,413 posts)
5. According to the biography on TV (Suits)
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:27 AM
May 2025

Harvard graduates some of the best lawyers in th country.

Linda holds a trophy belt.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
6. As much as I would like to think it was Harvard that did this
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:28 AM
May 2025

I heard it was done by others.

highplainsdem

(62,145 posts)
15. Please delete your OP before it fools more people into reccing it (making DU look silly) or copying it
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:50 AM
May 2025

elsewhere (making themselves look bad).

At least edit it - including the thread title - to say it's a hoax, even though it's funny. A lot of DUers apparently don't read replies and will rec and copy hoaxes no matter how many replies point out it's a hoax.

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
41. i wish we had a rule against shit that just isnt true.
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:03 AM
May 2025

i also wish du’er wd take down stuff that gets debunked. i agree it makes us look deranged.

highplainsdem

(62,145 posts)
46. I wouldn't want people alerted on and possibly having posts removed simply because they believed
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:45 AM
May 2025

something that wasn't true. But the person who posted the OP should delete or clearly correct it when it's debunked.

There's so much garbage floating around on the internet.

I just discovered there are sites specifically for generating memes with fake quotes.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
30. It looks like the admins took it off the front page, at least.
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:33 AM
May 2025

There are OP’s under Trending Discussions that were posted before this thread, so it did not fall off naturally.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
18. Consider the origin of the letter. You can't expect correct English from someone who wasn't even writing in English.
Wed May 7, 2025, 07:56 AM
May 2025

English has been largely discarded as the official language of the country, and has been replaced, in many instances, by Republicanese. Now, there are, granted, several dialects of Republicanese, but the main ones used by Republican members of Congress, Cabinet Secretaries, and their rank and file who post on blogs, are accepted as a general umbrella language, much like Swahili in Eastern Africa or Tagalog in the many islands of the Philippines. Regional dialects will always contain local differences.

For a brief overview, I offer the following, taken from a copy donated by Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, when he finally became aware that it is possible to be illiterate in both English and Republicanese at the same time:

EXCERPTS FROM THE OFFICIAL DICTIONARY OF REPUBLICANESE

In Republicanese, many words that sound alike may be spelled differently at random. A few prominent examples:

In Republicanese, the following words may be spelled at random using any of the three ways given:

A.) Two, Too, To
B.) Their, They're, There
c.) Your, Yore, You're

The Republicanese version of Robin Hood therefore starts with "In days of you're...."

The only rule is that the correct use of them as in English is never permitted twice in a row.

Words with single letters that change meaning when that letter is doubled must never be used in correct English context. The classic example is “lose” vs. “loose.” In Republicanese, if you do not win an election, then you “loose” that election. Conversely, if your (Republicanese: you’re) belt is too tight, you need it more “lose” in order to be comfortable. Another example would be the Republicanese, “I met Donald Trump, and he was rudder than I imagined,” vs. “I grabbed the ruder and was able to steer the boat to shore.”

In English, the contraction for "it is" is written "it's." To show possession referring to something previously mentioned, one writes "its." In Republicanese, it is the other way around. Example:
English: “It's impractical for a building to have its solar panels in the basement.”
Republicanese: “Its impractical for a building to have it's solar panels in the basement.”


In Republicanese, idiomatic expressions that use words that are homonyms with animals in English must use the spelling that denotes the animal.
Three examples:
In English, when someone wins a race by a very small margin, one can say, “He won the race by a hair.” In Republicanese, one writes, “He won the race by a hare.”
In English, someone fleeing the law can be said to be on “on the lam.” In Republicanese, that is spelled “on the lamb.”
In English, when one starts to lose their voice after shouting for an extended time, one says, “he shouted himself hoarse.” In Republicanese, one writes, “He shouted himself horse.”


In Republicanese, an apostrophe is used to form a plural, whereas this is never correct in English. But it must be done at random, never systematically. For example, Bill and Hillary are "the Clinton's," but Bill, Chelsea and Hillary are "the Clintons." The other way around is also correct. In Republicanese, either form is correct as long as it is not spelled the same way twice in a row.
Example:
In English, one writes "The Clintons like dogs."
In Republicanese, this can be written as "The Clinton's like dogs," or "The Clintons like dog's" or "The Clinton's like dog's." The only version that would be incorrect in Republicanese would be to use no apostrophe at all. Only English is written that way.

In Republicanese, pronouns that are direct or indirect objects must never be used as in English when combined with another proper name, proper noun, or pronoun.
Example: in English, one says, e.g., “John went to dinner with me,” and not “John went to dinner with I.” Therefore, in English, one also says, “John went to dinner with my wife and me.” In Republicanese, while it is also correct to say, “John went to dinner with me,” it is only correct to say “John went to dinner with my wife and I.”

raging moderate

(4,624 posts)
49. Also, Republicans write "day's" instead of "days."
Wed May 7, 2025, 10:08 AM
May 2025

Frequently, people in this cultural group insert apostrophes into plurals.

highplainsdem

(62,145 posts)
27. See reply 25. It was done by an MIT student the night of the 5th. Someone either stupidly or deliberately
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:24 AM
May 2025

copied the corrected letter with a claim it was Harvard's response.

Which was a disservice to Harvard, to everyone duped into believing it was done by Harvard, and to the grad student at MIT who should have been credited.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,605 posts)
26. Ha! Now that IS funny. Reminds me of the old joke about the student in the
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:23 AM
May 2025

"Ten items or fewer" checkout line:

Student (adds many more than ten items to the counter)

Cashier: "Are you from Harvard and can't count, or from MIT and can't read?"

Student: "No, ma'am, I'm from Yale...and don't give a damn."

highplainsdem

(62,145 posts)
34. Your thread title adding "(Hoax??)" is STILL misleading. You're leaving open the possibility the corrections
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:45 AM
May 2025

of McMahon's letter were done by Harvard, after I explained in reply 25 that it was done a couple of days ago by an MIT grad student who made no such fake claim.

Please delete your OP, which is misleading DUers, or make it clear that this was NOT done by Harvard.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
35. This OP is misleading in several ways.
Wed May 7, 2025, 08:53 AM
May 2025

First, it's not a "hoax" in the sense that the joking edits are fake. Apparently a real person did this and pushed it out on social media. They're at MIT. Maybe. I haven't bothered to verify the story.

It's not true that this is Harvard's official response. The person creating that hoax is you, I'm afraid.

Please edit your OP to correct the record with known facts.

Straw Man

(6,947 posts)
42. I hate to rain on this parade ...
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:33 AM
May 2025

... because McMahon is clearly unqualified for her job in many ways, but the "corrections" to this letter are mostly bullshit. I'm a retired professor of English, and in many instances the creators of this meme are flagging things as errors that are not errors at all, such as their incorrect flagging of complete sentences as incomplete. Furthermore, they have failed to identify some egregious errors, such as this one:

"It has invited foreign students, who engage in violent behavior and show contempt for the United States of America, to its campus."

Any grammarian worth his/her/their salt should have picked this one up right away. The commas indicate a non-restrictive clause, indicating that all foreign students engage in these behaviors. Surely even the current administration doesn't believe this.

Actually, I sincerely doubt that Linda McMahon wrote this letter; I doubt that she has even this much skill with the English language. In any case, if I were attacking it, I would focus on the content, which is laughable. To the person who created this meme, I would suggest a remedial course in grammar and copyediting.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
43. Same.
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:35 AM
May 2025

Except that I disagree with your assumption that the Trump administration doesn't think that all foreign students are violent criminals. They indicate this belief over and over.

Apparently an MIT grad student studying Econ did this as a joke.

Ocelot II

(130,537 posts)
52. The writing is mediocre at best while the content is appalling.
Wed May 7, 2025, 11:23 AM
May 2025

I doubt McMahon herself wrote it; that task would have been delegated to a loyal, semi-literate minion who certainly has a dictionary of propaganda terms to be inserted into the word-porridge. What's stylistically wrong with this letter isn't so much the grammatical sloppiness as it is the grandiose, hyperbolic bloat. The writer's point, which is both stupid and fascist, could have been made in a couple of paragraphs, but as is typical of Trumpworld pronouncements, it's word cancer that's metastasized into a tumor of incoherence. I still can't really tell why McMahon hates Harvard.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
57. Do you think that a lawyer reviewed this letter?
Wed May 7, 2025, 04:46 PM
May 2025

I hope not. This matter is in litigation and this letter will be used in such litigation. Normally when you are in litigation mode, everything should go before a lawyer. I hope that no lawyer drafted this letter.

Ocelot II

(130,537 posts)
59. If a lawyer did draft or review it, they would have been a typical Trump admin lawyer -
Wed May 7, 2025, 04:51 PM
May 2025

an incompetent loyalist who produces nothing but propaganda. The ethical, competent lawyers have quit if they haven't been fired for being Democrats, Black, female, LGBTQ, ethical, honest, competent, and/or woke.

Mysterian

(6,486 posts)
44. Dangerous incompetence and malignant evil
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:39 AM
May 2025

The best description I've seen of the corrupt rump regime.

malaise

(296,114 posts)
45. Effin perfect
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:42 AM
May 2025

She outdid her Aone for AI comment - that’s a wonderful thing 😂😂😂



LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
55. Linda McMahon's unhinged letter should only strengthen Harvard's resistance
Wed May 7, 2025, 03:41 PM
May 2025

For me it does not matter who corrected McMahon's letter. What matters is the substance of McMahon's letter and the fact that somehow this letter was allowed to be sent to Harvard. Normally this type of letter will be used in the pending litigation and should have been carefully drafted and reviewed before being sent. I will be shocked if any attorney reviewed this letter.



https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/harvard-trump-grants-doe-mcmahon-letter-rcna205180

On Monday, Secretary of Education Linda McMahon sent Harvard University an unhinged letter, which she also posted to X, decreeing that the higher education institution could no longer apply for government grants, presumably to do things like find cures for cancer and other diseases.

Opening the letter with the statement that the federal government “has a sacred responsibility to be a wise and important steward of American taxpayer dollars,” McMahon claims the university is being run poorly and engages in race-based preferences in admissions and hiring. She also asserts that the university has rejected “common-sense reforms” urged by the administration, including committing to “a return to merit-based admission and hiring.” .....

Before the decision, President Donald Trump claimed his administration would rescind the tax-exempt status of Harvard, a move that would clearly be illegal. Instead of scaling back its attacks on Harvard in light of the Perkins Coie decision, however, the administration has doubled down.

But the attack on Harvard is on even shakier legal and constitutional ground than the administration’s attacks on law firms. American universities enjoy strong First Amendment rights that protect what they teach, who they hire and how they operate. The McMahon letter — which purports to operate as notice to the university that Harvard need not apply for federal research grants — is meant to deter the university from seeking federal funding. I doubt that it will.

At the same time, it sends a clear message to federal agencies, like the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, that they should reject any application coming from Harvard. And it does so under the banner of purporting to further merit-based admissions and hiring practices. But even the administration’s supposed cure involves what? Decision-making that is not based on merit.

Indeed, according to McMahon’s letter, Harvard should not bother applying for federal grants because none will be forthcoming. Such decisions would not be based on the merit of those applications or the research teams behind them, but on the administration’s grudge against the university. .....

Harvard should continue to resist such efforts and can fully expect to have not just its day in court, but a victorious one at that. In the meantime, what will be lost should federal agencies actually follow McMahon’s directive? What public health projects will go unfunded? What new research on life-saving cures will end because of the administration’s most recent fit?

Harvard should challenge, and courts should review, this most recent attack on Harvard to not just stem a further erosion of First Amendment freedoms, but to preserve the national interest in having the best researchers working on our most important public health challenges.

This poorly drafted letter will be used to prove Harvard's case. Given the typos and incoherent claims, I hope that no attorney reviewed this letter.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
58. I figured it wasn't really Harvard
Wed May 7, 2025, 04:49 PM
May 2025

but it WAS a good redlining.

And a pointed jab at the less-than-brilliant people in the current 'government'.

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