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highplainsdem

(62,137 posts)
Wed May 7, 2025, 11:48 AM May 2025

Rejoice! Carmakers Are Embracing Physical Buttons Again (Wired)

https://www.wired.com/story/why-car-brands-are-finally-switching-back-to-buttons/

Rejoice! Carmakers Are Embracing Physical Buttons Again
Amazingly, reaction times using screens while driving are worse than being drunk or high—no wonder 90 percent of drivers hate using touchscreens in cars. Finally the auto industry is coming to its senses.

Carlton Reid
May 5, 2025

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Still, “the lack of physical switchgear is a shame” is now a common refrain in automotive reviews, including on WIRED. However, a limited but growing number of other automakers are dialing back the digital to greater or lesser degrees. The latest version of Mazda’s CX-60 crossover SUV features a 12.3-inch infotainment screen, but there’s still physical switchgear for operating the heater, air-con, and heated/cooled seats. While it’s still touch-sensitive, Mazda’s screen limits what you can prod depending on the app you’re using and whether you’re in motion. There’s also a real click wheel.

But many other automakers keep their touchscreen/slider/haptic/LLM doohickeys. Ninety-seven percent of new cars released after 2023 contain at least one screen, reckons S&P Global Mobility. Yet research last year by Britain’s What Car? magazine found that the vast majority of motorists prefer dials and switches to touchscreens. A survey of 1,428 drivers found that 89 percent preferred physical buttons.

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In-vehicle infotainment systems impair reaction times behind the wheel more than alcohol and narcotics use, according to researchers at independent British consultancy TRL. The five-year-old study, commissioned by road-safety charity IAM RoadSmart, discovered that the biggest negative impact on drivers’ reactions to hazards came when using Apple CarPlay by touch. Reaction times were nearly five times worse than when a driver was at the drink-drive limit, and nearly three times worse than when high on cannabis.

A study carried out by Swedish car magazine Vi Bilägare in 2022 showed that physical buttons are much less time-consuming to use than touchscreens. Using a mix of old and new cars, the magazine found that the most straightforward vehicle to change controls on was the 2005 Volvo V70 festooned with buttons and no screens. A range of activities such as increasing cabin temperature, tuning the radio, and turning down instrument lighting could be handled within 10 seconds in the old Volvo, and with only a minimum of eyes-down. However, the same tasks on an electric MG Marvel R compact SUV took 45 seconds, requiring precious travel time to look through the nested menus. (The tests were done on an abandoned airfield.)

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This article focuses on Europe, where there's enough concern about this that, starting next year, EuroNCAP (New Car Assessment Program) will lower safety ratings on cars too dependent on touchscreens to "incentivize automakers to fit physical, easy-to-use, and tactile controls."

It IS possible for people to recognize when tech has gone too far and is creating problems, and for manufacturers to respond to that concern and decide the shiny new tech toy isn't so helpful.

And btw, this does give me some hope the same thing might happen with the current genAI hype and stampede to add it everything. Though chatbots are temptingly useful for data gathering, and that data can be used or sold, which provides a nasty incentive for companies to keep pushing it.

And some car manufacturers are being idiotic. Mercedes has not only integrated ChatGPT - a hallucinating chatbot - into its voice controls, but is offering an S-Class with a 56-inch, door-to-door Hyperscreen: "a 12.3-inch driver’s display, a 12.3-inch passenger touchscreen, and a 17.7-inch central touchscreen that, within submenus, houses climate control and other key functions." Because that and a hallucinating chatbot at the controls won't be distracting at all...
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Rejoice! Carmakers Are Embracing Physical Buttons Again (Wired) (Original Post) highplainsdem May 2025 OP
Thank goddess! SheltieLover May 2025 #1
People have died because of that bullshit dalton99a May 2025 #2
Will it matter? Nobody can afford to buy cars anymore FirstLight May 2025 #3
It gets worse . . . Some new Fords listen to your conversation in the car, then "curate" ads that appear on your screen hatrack May 2025 #4
I've never understood how they were allowed in the first place. If it's illegal to use a cellphone in your Vinca May 2025 #5
These silly-ass, control everything touch screens Disaffected May 2025 #6
Good. Now get rid of "dashboard arrays". Aristus May 2025 #7
I had a 2002 Volvo V70 musette_sf May 2025 #8
LOL DENVERPOPS May 2025 #9
Is it even possible these days to get a car that uses keys and not a fob? JHB May 2025 #10
So happy to see this Ruby the Liberal May 2025 #11

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
3. Will it matter? Nobody can afford to buy cars anymore
Wed May 7, 2025, 11:54 AM
May 2025

Seriously, 20k is now going to be a bargain for used cars...

hatrack

(64,887 posts)
4. It gets worse . . . Some new Fords listen to your conversation in the car, then "curate" ads that appear on your screen
Wed May 7, 2025, 12:07 PM
May 2025

At the 10:56 mark in the Zac Rios video below.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
5. I've never understood how they were allowed in the first place. If it's illegal to use a cellphone in your
Wed May 7, 2025, 12:20 PM
May 2025

car, why isn't it just as unsafe to have to glance at a screen to operate the car?

Disaffected

(6,401 posts)
6. These silly-ass, control everything touch screens
Wed May 7, 2025, 12:57 PM
May 2025

are one reason I have held off on buying a new car.

It's ridiculous - we have distracted driving laws for cell phone, GPS etc. usage but fiddling with touch screens is for some reason deemed legal.

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
7. Good. Now get rid of "dashboard arrays".
Wed May 7, 2025, 01:12 PM
May 2025

It used to be if a control switch, or even just the light bulb, went out, you got a replacement at an auto parts store and installed it.

Years ago, I owned a Chrysler PT Cruiser, and after about eight years of driving, the headlight on and off switch broke. I thought I could just buy another switch, and put it in, but I couldn't. I took it to the Chrysler dealership asking them to fix it. They told me they couldn't fix an individual switch, because it was part of the "dashboard array"; in other words, they had to replace the entire control console if one control went out. Just one more way greedy corporations pissed on right-of-repair in order to pad their profit margins.

I have had no such problems with my Acura.

If they want me to buy an American-badged car, it's going to have to be worth the money I shell out for it. Insane concept, I know. Corporate America has gone off the deep end with their enshittification of everything.

musette_sf

(10,486 posts)
8. I had a 2002 Volvo V70
Wed May 7, 2025, 01:28 PM
May 2025

that I drove until some AH on his damn phone - or maybe his damn touchscreen in his new SUV - t-boned me and totaled it. Yes, the manual controls were perfect.

I bought a new car since I had the dough and figured it would maybe be my last new car, being a septuagenarian and all. I love it (Crosstrek) but I hate that damn iPad screen. Yesterday it forgot about my phone, so had to wrangle with CarPlay on the big screen while driving. Not fun. My reflexes etc are still great, but geez, what a PITA.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
9. LOL
Wed May 7, 2025, 02:42 PM
May 2025

Not only the electronic/screen systems........

If I get in my wife's car, I have no idea how to drive it due to the controls for items all being in different places.
I couldn't find the headlight control, it was in a different place than normal, same for the windshield wipers and other major controls....

Used to be they were somewhat uniform in their locations.......Now if you buy a new vehicle, you had best sit in your car for an hour, reviewing the owners manual and memorizing locations and means of operating systems on the dash, or steering column....etc

Driving a vehicle, down an interstate, in bumper to bumper 70mph traffic, or even down a street is not the time to be distracted trying to find a control and figure out how to operate it.......

Another topic is the incredible number of people now driving impaired, due to having consumed any amount of ...Marijuanna.....
and increases in Road Rage on the highways today......

Ruby the Liberal

(26,664 posts)
11. So happy to see this
Wed May 7, 2025, 09:00 PM
May 2025

I traded a 2007 Nissan for a 2022 Hyundai and was initially thrilled with the marvel of the dash screen and the flat sleek "buttons".

That lasted all of 30 minutes until I went to set the AC while driving down the highway. It was infinitely easier to manage without having to look away from the road to use the non-tactile touch control points.

Yeah, I'm GenX old - but give me my physical knobs back.

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