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[Dem4life1970]

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[dchill]

8. He should get started ASAP.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Wrong. See posts 17 and 19. OP should self-delete since jury members do not see posts 17 and 19. . . . nt

[ShazzieB]

13. My dad didn't become a US citizen until I was 19 years old.

He was a toddler when his parents brought him over here from England, and had no memories of ever living anywhere other than here. I don't know why he suddenly decided to get naturalized at the age of 60 or why he waited so long, but I was proud of him at the time for going through all that red tape and becoming a citizen.

In spite of being born in England, he was as American as anyone I've ever known. And if anyone wants to claim I'm not an American citizen because of him, all I can say is come at me, bro!

[Celerity]

19. This is a false claim OP. Fake news.

Fact Check: Trump’s birthright citizenship ban will not affect his children

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/trumps-birthright-citizenship-ban-will-not-affect-his-children-2024-12-19/

All five of President-elect Donald Trump’s children fulfill two criteria for automatic U.S. citizenship - they were born to at least one U.S.-citizen parent and they were born in the United States - so they would not lose citizenship, as social media posts suggest, if Trump does away with so-called birthright citizenship, as he has promised to do.

Alongside pictures of four of Trump’s five children - Barron, Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric - posts on social media say, opens new tab: “Trump’s plan to end birthright citizenship would mean 4 of his children wouldn't be considered U.S. citizens: Don Jr - born in 1977. Ivanka - born in 1981. Eric - born in 1984. Ivana - became a U.S. citizen in 1988. Barron - born in March 2006. Melania - became a U.S. citizen in July 2006.”

Trump, who ran his presidential campaign on border reform and mass deportations, is expected to roll out his immigration agenda and deport record numbers of illegal immigrants when he takes office on Jan. 20.

The social media posts followed an interview on Dec. 8 with NBC News' “Meet the Press with Kristen Welker,” in which Trump said he would take executive action to end birthright citizenship, which grants citizenship to anyone born in the U.S. regardless of the status of their parents.

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Here is the actual EO:

PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP

The White House

January 20, 2025

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/

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Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.

(c) Nothing in this order shall be construed to affect the entitlement of other individuals, including children of lawful permanent residents, to obtain documentation of their United States citizenship.

Sec. 3. Enforcement. (a) The Secretary of State, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Commissioner of Social Security shall take all appropriate measures to ensure that the regulations and policies of their respective departments and agencies are consistent with this order, and that no officers, employees, or agents of their respective departments and agencies act, or forbear from acting, in any manner inconsistent with this order.

(b) The heads of all executive departments and agencies shall issue public guidance within 30 days of the date of this order regarding this order’s implementation with respect to their operations and activities.

Sec. 4. Definitions. As used in this order:

(a) “Mother” means the immediate female biological progenitor.

(b) “Father” means the immediate male biological progenitor.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January 20, 2025.

[Skittles]

22. he can still FUCK HIMSELF

it's not fake news that he is a RACIST PIECE OF SHIT

[wcmagumba]

2. He's an alien, I know...

👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Wrong. See posts 17 and 19. If you think you know, you are believing a lie. Barron is a citizen. . . nt

[NJCher]

3. Buh bye Barron

Your plane to El Salvador – – oops I mean Libya– – is leaving shortly.

[Abolishinist]

6. I disagree. Call me an elitist, wouldn't be the first time,

but I think he should have the right to choose between El Salvador and Libya.

[Cha]

15. lol

[Klarkashton]

4. Good riddance weirdo.

[Tarzanrock]

5. If he had a shred of decency ...

... he would self-deport himself to Slovenia or some other country -- take the $1,000 bucks and rid himself of that corrupt Crime Family.

[sprinkleeninow]

11. People say Slovenia is nice this time of year n the food is delish!

[What do I know.😄]

[Cheezoholic]

9. Damien n/t

[Morbius]

10. Hmm.

I had to do a school project in the 70's about my family's "Roots". I bet you can guess where that came from. As a result of my interviews with my paternal grandmother and aunts and uncles on my mother's side, I discovered that my great-grandparents all emigrated to this country in the late 19th century, seven of them from Poland and one from Germany. All four of my grandparents were born in Chicago and both of my parents were born in Chicago. I'm third generation American, born on a long-closed airbase in Indiana.

Except let's look at it applying the "logic" of the President's decree. If my great-grandparents weren't citizens, then my grandparents couldn't be either. And if my grandparents weren't citizens, then neither were my parents, and therefore I'm not a citizen either.

In fact, damn near everyone in the country could be disqualified as citizens according to this absurd decree. Including the President himself. Sounds pretty stupid to me. Or rather, convenient.

[LittleGirl]

12. Exactly. That's what I thought.

I’m second generation Italian on my dad’s side and probably something like 4th generation Irish/Scottish on mom’s side. Wouldn’t this b.s. mean none of us would be citizens? Including the orange one. His parents immigrated!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. You are safe. The EO is not retroactive. See posts 17 and 19. . . . nt

[Ms. Toad]

18. Except the decree doesn't claim to be retroactive

And it only requires the father to be a citizen or lawfully in the United States

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Wrong. The EO protects tRump because his father was a citizen and the EO is not retroactive. Same for Barron. nt

[Cha]

14. Fucking Sleaze Evil Hypocrites. Deport.

[BidenRocks]

16. Deport his ass!

It'll give Mel an excuse to leave!
I don't give a rat's ass!
Du U?

[Ms. Toad]

17. You might want to do some fact checking before passing on memes.

First:

(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.

Barron wasn't born after the executive order was issued.

Second:

Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

The executive order does not require both parents to be citizens, and last I checked, Trump was a citizen.

[Celerity]

21. +1000

[Celerity]

20. False claim/fake news. You should sef-delete this.

See posts 17 and 19.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. If you want to protect DU's reputation and honour, self-delete this lie.

If you want a bunch of DU members wandering around believing or even promoting this lie, let it stand.

Read posts 17 and 19 to see why it is necessary to self-delete the falsehood OP. If you believe they are wrong, respond there with as much reason and care as posters 17 and 19 took.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. Protect your own DU reputation and self-delete this post. If you do not know how to self-delete, ask.

1) Self-delete your OP because it is false. See replies 17 and 19.

2) The OP is a lie because the Executive Order is not back-dated and protects children of citizen fathers.

3) Do not post an OP and walk away because that is against the spirit and purpose of DU: discussion. This is the third post in a row you have done that.

You can do better. If you do not know how to self-delete, ask.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Hey Barron if you offer your dad a big enough bribe, he might let you stay.