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[dpibel]

27. They should be polite and kind!

Just like the Republicans!

Because if what you deem to be improper language is what caused the "most humiliating, crushing defeat," then surely the winners won because they refrained from any form of impolite speech!

Right?

[Walleye]

2. Yeah. Too bad we can't just respect each other and call each other by our preferred names Not slogans and slander

[harumph]

3. What is the context of the OP?

Who called someone a white boy?

[underpants]

6. Crockett suggests Democrats looking to run 'safest White boy' in 2028, hints at specific candidate

https://www.foxnews.com/media/crockett-suggests-democrats-looking-run-safest-white-boy-2028-hints-specific-candidate

[Dr. Strange]

9. Oh wow.

What a dumbass.

[AntiFascist]

111. I heard it used on MSNBC's new weekend show...

I found it funny (white boy here) but thought it might ruffle some feathers.

[Doodley]

131. It is obvious the point she is making. I don't see it as offensive.

[H2O Man]

159. Likewise.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

158. Curious....

...since this links to "foxnews," did "foxnews" claim this comment by a Black woman is offensive to white men?

Kinda makes sense to me now.

[H2O Man]

160. Well done.

[58Sunliner]

4. Yes it is offensive, along with WT, witey, etc...

[ForgedCrank]

5. It is offensive.

However, people are free to call me that all they like. I just consider it an indicator of the type of person I'm dealing with. I feel no need to get upset or retaliate as I consider myself above such petty name-calling. It's childish and shows a lack of impulse control. The only thing accomplished is the degradation of my respect for the person doing it.

[EdmondDantes_]

7. I would say it is, but it doesn't have the same power as the other way

As a white guy, for whatever problems I have, I have it easier in our society than anyone else with the same problems but are a minority or a woman due to our social structures. So while I find Crockett's language needlessly poor, I have the luxury of being able to ignore it. I do put it down as a poor choice on her part. There's just no need to phrase it so derisively.

But that said, there is a tendency towards the perceived "safe" choice as if every choice isn't risky. Because up until 2008, it was a given that nominating a black guy wasn't a viable choice. People told same sex marriage advocates to hold off because Republicans used same sex marriage bans to drive turnout and it turns out once the courts forced the issue people were fine with it. Or the opposite when courts forced school desegregation a lot of white people lost their minds. Every choice has risks.

And the perceived safe choice of Biden in 2012 accidentally (or otherwise) pushed Obama on same sex marriage and in 2020 said he would have a minority or a woman as his running mate. Neither of those fit the safe mold that Biden was thought to represent.

[wryter2000]

105. Good answer

There is no history of insulting white men this way. White men have not been oppressed with this sort of language, period

[MineralMan]

8. But it IS offensive.

Anytime you refer to a grownup adult male as a "boy," it is an insult. It's a dismissive word that any adult would resent.

So, the question doesn't make a lot of sense.

[thomski64]

26. ...unless he's playing funky music..

[True Dough]

39. You're as

cold as Ice, Ice Baby, thomski!

[OAITW r.2.0]

181. Best comment.

This white boy approves...even though I'm 72.

[niyad]

66. How about referring to an adult female as "girl"?

I cannot count the number of times I have had to point this out over the years, including on this board.

[exboyfil]

94. I try to be very careful about that

Of course can make a mistake with high schoolers (younger than 18 - girl, over 18 - woman).

[MineralMan]

104. Yes. As a man, I don't do that.

If you're out of high school, you're a woman. That has been my rule since I got out of high school.

And, just as men can say "boys" to talk about his male friends, women can refer to themselves as girls. Those are not difficult rules to understand or to follow.

[Bettie]

10. Send Rep Crockett a letter telling her how

terrible she is for not being respectful enough to the masters of the universe then.

ETA: White men aren't exactly an oppressed group overall.

[milestogo]

19. She was talking about white men who are possible Democratic candidates for president.

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Is Adam Schiff a "white boy"?

Is Jamie Raskin a "white boy"?

Is Eric Swalwell a "white boy"?

Is Chris Murphy a "white boy"?

Is Mark Kelly a "white boy"?

These men deserve respect, especially from other Democrats.

Edited to add: I am a white woman, and I am deeply disappointed that neither Hillary Clinton nor Kamala Harris were elected. They were both spectacular, well qualified candidates. I now know that there may not be a female president in my lifetime.

But I can still get behind a qualified white male candidate (like any of the ones I have listed here) and not do so grudgingly. And I really don't want to see anyone in the party disrespected for their racial identity, whatever that is.

[WhiteTara]

38. yep, they are. Sorry you are offended.

[WhiteTara]

41. certainly is tame in comparison of the words used to describe women

you know
b*tch
c*nt
wh*re
sl*t

and double when you call a black woman these things.

[maxsolomon]

63. White Girl is the equivalent of White Boy.

Not your quartet of vulgar slurs.

Crockett's going to talk how she talks. I think we'll all live.

[Bettie]

78. And when women are called "Girl" (with any qualifier in front of it)...

I see zero men losing their minds.

White male privilege is real, even in liberal spaces.

It almost seems like some kind of internalized misogyny...as if white males must always be some kind of protected class.

And everyone knew what she meant, but it being said by a Black woman seems to have really offended some people.

Would I use that phrasing? Probably not, but I do call my husband and my three sons (two of whom are grown-ass adults) my boys.

[WhiteTara]

90. no one calls us white girls but

we're certainly called those other vulgar names with great abandon.

Glad you aren't so offended that your knickers are in a twist.

[milestogo]

135. That's beside the point.

Can you imagine MLK Jr. name calling another gender or racial group?

Nobody is calling her names, certainly not the white men who are eligible to run for president.

[MichMan]

46. Their resumes certainly seem to be more impressive than Rep. Crockett's n/t

[Quiet Em]

49. Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris had more impressive resumes

but as Rep. Crockett said, it's not resumes that are being prioritized.

[MichMan]

122. I don't recall Clinton or Harris referring to other Democrats as "white boys"

[Quiet Em]

136. What does that have to do with anything?

Jasmine Crockett is not running for President. As Jasmine Crockett stated the consensus, particularly among donors, is that the candidate needs to be a white male. She's not wrong. That's the consensus I'm hearing too. Just like it was the consensus in 2020.

Some are offended because she said "boy" not "male" or "man". But her statement is still correct.

[Bettie]

139. IF she had said "male" they'd have their undies in a twist too

even though women are constantly called "females".

[Quiet Em]

143. Ha. You a probably correct on that.

[intheflow]

165. Probably because most of them are 20-25 years older than her.

Adam Schiff: Born1960
Jamie Raskin: Born 1962
Mark Kelly: Born 1964
Chris Murphy: Born 1973

Jasmine Crockett: Born 1981

Eric Swalwell is close in age to her (born 1980), but he started in politics a full decade before Crockett. And also, it's been easier for him to build a successful record as a Democrat from Silicon Valley, CA, than for her as a Democrat from Houston, TX.

[JustAnotherGen]

180. Nope - only one

In the Clay Cane interview she is speaking with donors and they all say the same thing: there is ONE white male (I don't want to be offensive) that has already been selected.

It's rigged. Get on the donors asses - not hers.

[flvegan]

28. Crockett is allegedly on Colbert tonight.

He's a white male, maybe he can explain the collective offense. Shame her right off the stage!

(this is also sarcasm)

[Quiet Em]

30. Hell hath no fury

like a white man offended

[MorbidButterflyTat]

152. No shit.

[Mountainguy]

36. Its ok to

Be offensive and offer racially charged comments as long as the target isn't 'oppressed?

[ShazzieB]

65. "White boy" is a racially charged comment? Really?

I don't think it's racially charged at all. Calling a black man a boy is highly racially charged and deeply offensive, because of the history behind it. Calling a white man a boy can be a little disrespectful (but only a little, imo) depending on the context, but there's nothing racially charged about it.

[Mountainguy]

67. It 100% is

Pretzel logic to try to say it isn't.

[ShazzieB]

102. I do not believe thst it is "racially charged."

Every comment that mentions race is not automatically "racially charged."

I am not going to change my opinion about this, and, obviously, neither are you. I am therefore not going to spend any more time arguing about this.

[Littlered]

172. It's not offensive to me.

I’ve never given it a second thought. As a matter of fact it’s so common, foreigner did a song called dirty white boy. Maybe it’s a location thing? The word white boy or boy in general is very common here in Ohio.

I actually saw the congresswoman make the comment in question, and never have it a second thought, as far as it being offensive. It’s weird how some people get so easily offended.

[Cirsium]

184. It isn't

It isn't "racially charged."

[Happy Hoosier]

59. That's not the point!

So people like me should just tolerate dismissive insults because we have privilege? I know I am historically privileged. It's a reason I am a Democrat. How does that justify treating me like shit?

[Doodley]

138. I'm a white guy and am not even 0.01% offended.

[Happy Hoosier]

146. Good for you.

I AM bothered by it. Does that make me wrong, because it doesn't bother you?

[Doodley]

155. What offends me are lawmakers who do not speak out with the passion and vigor that we have seen from Jasmine Crockett

In fact, many do not even speak out. Our nation is being dismantled from within, and thank God for Jasmine Crockett who is fighting for us. She is fighting for you and me harder than many others. Yes, she speaks plainly, and I hope she continues to do so. This is no time for timidity. We need lawmakers who speak their minds, who are tough, who are fighters, and who aren't so worried about offending anyone that they sound scripted and don't get heard.

[Happy Hoosier]

157. That's not really an answer.

I’m appreciate her passion. But I respect someone who can recognize when they fucked up.

[Doodley]

162. She fucked up according to who?

[Happy Hoosier]

163. Me.

I decide when I am offended. People can choose not to take that in to account. That is their prerogative. That informs my opinion of them.

[Bettie]

142. Women tolerate dismissive insults every day of our lives

and I'm a white woman. Non-white women tolerate MUCH worse than white women.

[Cirsium]

187. Offended?

Why would you be offended by that? How are you being "treated like shit?"

[Bettie]

199. So, what do you want?

I'm sure if you sent a letter to any House Republican they would gladly put forth a vote to have her expelled or removed from Committees....what punishment do you feel she deserves for offending you? Do you need her to resign? Come to your house to personally apologize to you?

[ShazzieB]

61. What Bettie said, all of it.

I don't think that was the best choice of words she could have made, but the degree of outraged pearl clutching I'm seeing here seems wildly out of proportion to me.

I honestly would never have expected to see such an overreaction here at DU, and seeng people get so worked up about this is, frankly, disturbing to me.

[Keepthesoulalive]

69. Beware the dominant culture

A white woman calls a black child the n word and raises a half million dollars, not very upset by white racism. Let a black woman say white and boy in the same sentence, outrage about unequal treatment. Some people questioning her intelligence.

[ShazzieB]

75. I hear you!

I feel like the white men who are expressing so much outrage about this need to take a step back and really think about why they find this so offensive. (I can't tell the genders of all the complainers from their DU handles, but it would be interesting to know the demographics here.)

[milestogo]

175. There is no outrage, no pearl clutching, no overreaction.

Just pointing out speech which is unhelpful and offensive to some of us. Clearly you wish people would just shut up rather than call out something which is bad behavior.

[Cirsium]

194. Don't listen, then

If you are that sensitive, don't listen to Urban View radio, and don't listen to right wing media who I am certain took this from Urban View and manufactured a fake controversy.

I don't believe that anyone is genuinely offended by that, I just don't. Ergo, it is outrage, pearl clutching, and overreaction. It is a classic example of white fragility.

[Biophilic]

11. I don't get the question.

She was obviously being derogatory. As well she might under the circumstances. The idea that “the Dems” are looking for the safest bet to win the election instead of the best candidate.

[radicalleft]

15. How well did that work out for us the last time?

Harris, was light years better than the "Other" candidate, but the voting populace decided otherwise.

[Biophilic]

20. And perhaps if she'd had more than 3 months for people to get to know her...

That election was so screwed up on many levels. Personally I’m looking to this fall and then next year and then 2028, if we manage to get there.

[NoRethugFriends]

33. It was plenty of time for people to get to know her. It's just that people are hateful idiots.

[MichMan]

44. She was VP for 3 & 1/2 years prior to being nominated for president

I fault her campaign for spending more emphasis in ads about her being a former prosecutor, than they ever did about her being a former Senator and VP.

[Biophilic]

53. Agreed, but, I did not start this conversation to talk about past elections.

[ShazzieB]

88. But previous elections are the context in which Crockett made the comment.

The context of her remark (that Dems lost 2 out of the last 3 presidential elections, and the only time we won was with a white male candidate) is very pertinent, imo.

Reading the rest of her comments in the article, it sounds like she was a little exasperated about people wanting to play extra safe with the choice of a 2028 candidate. If she was ridculing anyone or anything, I think it was those who she felt were being overly cautious, not any particular white man or white men as a group. I can understand her feeling that way, while also understanding the caution many Dems are feeling right now.

As much as I want to see a woman president in my lifetime, I can't blame anyone for feeling that a white male would be a safer choice for 2028. I will support whoever the party ends up nominating at the 2028 convention, regardless of race or gender, but above all else, I do hope we can choose someone who will WIN.

[madville]

80. Her campaign did a poor job of managing that

They purposely kept her from interviews and answering unscripted questions for almost a month after she became the nominee.

[dflprincess]

82. Sadly, the best candidate may be the one who is the safest bet to win

Instead of the most qualified.

We can't risk another 4 years of a MAGAt president.

[Bettie]

174. That may be true

but it's OK to not be OK with the racism and misogyny that is woven into the fabric of our country.

A terrible white (orange) man won....twice, on a platform of hate and division...both times against accomplished women who were smarter than he was by miles, hundreds of miles.

I know that we will never elect a woman as president. Too many people have a deep seated hatred of women who speak up.

[Wingus Dingus]

12. Mildly offensive.

[BannonsLiver]

13. Lifelong white boy here.

I don’t find it even slightly offensive. But then again I’m often at odds with the tone police.

[radicalleft]

16. Agreed...

(WB myself) and she's not wrong either....

[Blue_Adept]

14. it's only offensive if you pronounce it "hwite"

If you put the h before the white, that's where the skin really crawls.

[A_Woman_from_MI]

17. Explain to me why it is

I don't understand how it offends.

[flvegan]

18. So are we going to cancel Crockett now? This is her comment, right?

That's sarcasm, just in case anyone didn't catch that.

Sorry, I just can't work up being offended by this comment of hers.

[Iris]

21. Exactly. It says just as much about Trump voters as it does the Dems

There is no doubt in my mind that a sizable majority do white women who voted for him won't or can't bring themselves to vote for any woman and prefer to go with what makes them feel "safe" regardless of how misguided that is

[Beringia]

24. It seems a comment meant to be offensive

I recently watched an episode from the show ER, and some doctor called a black kid "boy" and I was surprised because that term has so much back history for black men. I know if some person called me white girl, I would feel like they are trying to denigrate

[NoRethugFriends]

34. I am totally shocked that you were unaware about the term "black boy"

[Beringia]

55. I guess that is some octopus mind convoluted sarcasm

[NoRethugFriends]

98. If it's not sarcasm, I was honestly amazed.

[Happy Hoosier]

161. Get used to losing...

If we’re just gonna dismiss accomplished Democrats because they are “white boys” don’t be surprised as we keep losing.

[Jedi Guy]

22. It's certainly not classy, that's for sure.

Calling a white male a "white boy" has a certain derogatory connotation to it, but it's not as loaded as calling a black man a "boy". The connotation there is very much uglier. Neither is classy, though, for sure. She could have made her point in a better way.

That said, I get her frustration, to a point. At the same time, I feel her choice of target is misplaced. The reality is that the electorate isn't likely to widely embrace a minority candidate at this moment in time. Yeah yeah, Obama won twice, but Obama is the kind of candidate who comes along once in a generation and whose appeal is difficult or impossible to replicate.

It's not the Democratic Party's fault that this is the reality we're operating in, and refusing to recognize that reality undermines our ability to change things. We can't advance our agenda if we can't win, and we can't win if we're not putting up candidates suited to the reality of the electorate.

It's unfortunate, but no less true for that. It's really just that simple. In another 10-20 years things might be different, but right now this is where we are.

[milestogo]

85. I am an adult woman. If a man refers to me as a girl, I correct him. Its demeaning.

If a man refers to his wife as "the old lady" I ask who he is referring to. His grandmother?

If a term is meant to belittle another person or group, then that's what it means. Calling white men boys is a way of belittling them and saying they are only in office because they are entitled. But that is not necessarily the case. Some of them are among the best our society has to offer.

Whoever our next presidential candidate is, you can be sure it won't be someone who throws around expressions like "white boy".

[phylny]

93. I agree 100%

In addition, I block people on threads, here, and elsewhere when they use”yt.” I know some people say it’s just an Internet shortcut, but I believe it’s also meant to be derogatory. I try not to be derogatory to anyone or any group and I have no patience for others who do so.

[Jedi Guy]

167. "If a term is meant to belittle another person or group, then that's what it means."

I don't disagree at all. Like I said, I don't think her remark was classy and she could've worded it much better, though I understand the frustration that prompted her comment. Her frustration doesn't excuse her lack of class by any means, but I'm sure her frustration is real and deeply felt.

Truly, I get what you're saying. We can't decry demeaning language like racial slurs against marginalized groups and then turn a blind eye when such language is directed towards a dominant group. It's either not okay entirely or it's okay entirely. I don't care for "situational ethics" when it comes to bigotry and prejudice, and yet some on the left will tell you that it's impossible to be racist towards white people.

[Ponietz]

23. Another own goal!

Go team!

[harumph]

25. Tempest in a teapot.

[Eugene]

29. It's pejorative and hostile at best, often used in anger or disgust.

[1WorldHope]

71. And Jasmine Crockett has no reason to be angry or disgusted.

Sarcasm!!!

[Bettie]

144. I read that with

Jazz hands while you said "sarcasm"!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

31. Because there's a difference between punching up and punching down. It's not hard.

[Mountainguy]

45. Sitting members of congress shouldn't say racist things.

It's not hard.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

48. "White boy" is not a racist term. Mentioning race is not racist, and "boy" is not racist when talking about white people

especially when a Black member of Congress is speaking jocularly

[Mountainguy]

70. Emasculating men

Based on their race IS racist.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

76. Emasculating? how so

[Mountainguy]

96. I'm not a boy

And neither are the millions of other white men in the country.

[Cirsium]

185. What????

"Emasculating men?" You have got to be kidding.

[ShazzieB]

92. THIS!!!!

↘️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️↙️

"White boy" is not a racist term.
Mentioning race is not racist,
and "boy" is not racist when talking
about white people.

↗️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️↖️

[Mountainguy]

97. Wrong.

[ShazzieB]

107. In your opinion. Which is different from mine.

[Mountainguy]

110. Suggesting the next Democratic

Nominee is only nominated because they are white is racist, and fucked up.

Let's change it and see how it sounds.

"You got this job because you were the best black guy we interviewed."

[ShazzieB]

125. I just don't see it the way you do.

Let's just agree to disagree, because I have no desire to continue arguing about it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

132. No, it's not "racist", it's an opinion on how some donors are thinking

That they want to be as "safe" as possible, and for them, that's a white male. She's not impressed with whoever she says many are already lining up behind, so she calls him a boy - which I'd say is insulting to that man (as she intends), but not generally "offensive".

[Mountainguy]

134. Highly offensive

And racist

[Cirsium]

183. It isn't racist

Racism does not "go both ways."

[exboyfil]

95. Don't punch at all

[Mountainguy]

109. Yup.

Nothing hard about it.

[questionseverything]

115. Why is a "democrat " punching other democrats at all?

If she’s trying to divide (which seems clear), she’s not working for either of us, she’s helping republicans

[Torchlight]

32. Not just unoffended by it, but also perceive the hullaballoo as trivial.

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From my chair, any offense taken is much closer to pretense or a simple fashion choice for the morning than any real wounding. Play that funky music...

[WhiteTara]

35. I'm sorry you are offended.

[Mike Nelson]

37. I think...

... she could have more accurately said, "White man." It reminds me of the old way people called obviously non-juvenile Black men, "Boy." It's offensive when used in certain ways. Going out with "the Boys" is different. We can see the meaning plainly. I think people diminish their argument with these kinds of remarks.

[CTyankee]

40. I dunno. It sounds like it might be.

Doesn't context matter? I'm white and female. It doesn't strike me as offensive, but I don't really know.

[ShazzieB]

106. I'm white and female, too.

And I don't find Cockett's remark at all offensive. It's not the most tactful thing she could have said, but definitely not worthy of all the pearl clutching I'm seeing here.

If anyone here feels personally wounded by that comment, I think their reaction says more about them than it does about Crockett.

P.S. For the record, Jasmine Crockett can call me a "white girl" any time she wants.

[Doodley]

141. White guy here. Agree 100%. No need for people to be so easily offended.

[ShazzieB]

176. Agreed!

[FullySupportDems]

42. Shrug

I wouldn't bother being offended. It feels more like punching up than punching down. Hearing people called "illegal" really bothers me. I also detest when the news says "workers died..." when referring to people who died on the job.

When I think about generation after generation of people going back hundreds of years hearing racial slurs in their own free and equal country, their children and parents and grandparents and anyone else who looks like them, it's easy to understand tossing one back.

That's just how I feel, one old white girl from what I affectionately call "white land", where 96.7% self declared white on the last census just isn't white enough for them. And my kid's old high-school had a problem with a Trans kid a few years ago, what a way to make the news. Bigots are comfortable here.

[Mountainguy]

43. We can either decide that ALL

Pejoratives are offensive and should not be used or none of them are.

'White boy' is a racial slur.

[jalan48]

47. I'm sure the Hispanic people being kidnapped off our streets by ICE are laughing at Crockett's triviality.

[MenloParque]

50. I'm an old black woman and I don't want to hear boy, black boy, white boy none

Why is it ok to call a grown ass man Boy? Its all horrible and I will call of it out if I hear it on the streets.

[FullySupportDems]

129. I think that changes my mind a little

Because I don't want things that sound offensive to be acceptable, not if they offend people they aren't aimed at and aren't meant to insult.

I do have to smile at the idea of an older black woman calling out a younger black female politician for it. I think it must be hard for her, because the Maga are so toxic and crude and she's a big target. They can make you lose your self respect. What you say reminds me to try to be a good human being, no matter what anyone else does.

[Keepthesoulalive]

51. Many years ago

My daughter was in high school and they were trying to find a negative description that was offensive to white men. We couldn’t think of any. Well we found one.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

52. Snow, cracker, honky, off the top of my head.

[Keepthesoulalive]

54. Unfortunate words

But they can also be applied to women. This one specifically targets white men and it was said by a black woman.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

57. .

Nonetheless, it's still racist sadly.

[Keepthesoulalive]

83. Sorry kid went to school in Florida

We were referring to American white men. I am not familiar with international racism against white men.

[Keepthesoulalive]

101. Peckerwood is used to define backwoods southern types

Used by other white folks, ofay kids born after 1970 wouldn’t have a clue. There is not a widely used derogatory word for white men. We have the stupidest group of white men I have ever seen in one place and there are no derogatory words about their white stupid asses but let someone say white boy and I haven’t seen this much anger since Karen.

[Keepthesoulalive]

126. If a black person in the south had used Peckerwood

Our grannies would have rebuked us in the strongest way and then would have gone to church to pray for our salvation. That was considered vulgar in the negro community and would have been considered low class. There is no word to call white men that is the equivalent of the n word, it is designed to demean and steal your dignity, it also silences you. When we find a word like that to have the same result with privileged males I will feel their pain.

[nature-lover]

56. White southerner here. Not offended.

I took her meaning as selecting a candidate who is a safe bet because he is part of the "good ole boy" network. Typical of how politics has historically worked here in the South.

[Paladin]

60. This white Texas Democrat agrees with you.

I'm going to have a tough time criticizing Rep. Crockett for this comment, given all the cogent, articulate, valuable statements she's furnished us with, lately.

[BlueTsunami2018]

58. Because I'm not offended by it.

Who cares? It’s not a slur. I know what she means.

And that’s exactly what has to happen. This country isn’t mature enough to vote for a woman, a black woman, a gay guy or any minority.

Barack Obama was a generational political talent. We’re not going to see his like again for some time. And he also happened to come in at exactly the right time. ANY Democrat would have won after what W did to the country. Even Hillary Clinton.

White boy isn’t a big deal. Not to me anyway.

[radicalleft]

62. This is exactly why Dems/Liberals look weak...

We continue to "eat our own"!

I am a "White Boy" of 55 years old and I could care less how ANYONE refers to my race/skin-tone or whatever. I fully realize the privilege that comes with my particular skin tone and refuse to play the "victim" to score gotcha political points!

Jasmine Crockett is an example of the kind of "new blood' that the dem party needs. She doesn't back down and has a razor sharp tongue that plays well for sounds bites. Could she be electable at a national level...unlikely, but she is one hell of a fighter and look forward to what she could do in a Congressional leadership position.

[pinkstarburst]

64. I don't like her comment

But in her defense, I think a lot of people (myself included) are looking at the potential candidates for 2028 and recognizing that if we are limited to straight white Christian men, it greatly limits our choices.

I honestly can't think of one right now other than Tim Walz that I am excited about voting for.

[ShazzieB]

114. I would be excited to vote for JB Pritzker.

But that's probably because I'm from Illinois and therefore in a position to appreciate what he's done for this state as governor. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way.

[questionseverything]

191. I think jb is great too but I don't know if being Jewish hurts his chances

[stillcool]

68. reminds me of

"Play that funky music white boy" that all the MAGA's seem to enjoy. I guess I don't understand the skin crawl.

[1WorldHope]

72. This is a case for the snow flake patrol.

If you want to feel your skin crawl, spend a few days as a black boy who becomes a man and is never treated that way.

[stillcool]

84. Odd description 'skin-crawl'

discomfort or disgust . Sounds like a MAGA description.

[Oneironaut]

73. She was absolutely right to use that term, imo.

I think she captured the situation perfectly.

[betsuni]

74. My first reaction was that it was very cute, then that there will be touchiness.

The "safest" makes the comment.

I'm a boy, vote for me. No good for a poster.
I'm a white boy, vote for me. No.
I'm the safest white boy, vote for me. BINGO!

[Bok_Tukalo]

77. That kind of casual contempt is part of her schtick

A race based epithet is pretty much on brand.

Offensive? That’s her intent.

[Sympthsical]

81. Yeah, it's her stage persona

So it's just an eye roll. Occasionally amusing.

I think it's funnier that the performance is kind of more for the benefit of white liberals who expect and enjoy it from a Black woman.

Which is a whole other conversation no one will touch with a ten foot pole.

Politics is a weird place.

[Celerity]

108. it should be touched upon, a lot

I think it's funnier that the performance is kind of more for the benefit of white liberals who expect and enjoy it from a Black woman.

Which is a whole other conversation no one will touch with a ten foot pole.

[Sympthsical]

121. Well, I could rephrase here

It would never get touched on here. And as a gay white man, I'm probably not the person to do the touching. You'd definitely be better positioned than I to open that can of worms.

I'll merely observe from my own perch how interesting it would be if Pete Buttigieg suddenly yassified and started snapping around with a slay queen persona. I think we'd all find that highly strange. But Crockett's persona is taken for granted. An almost "Well of course she sounds like this." And it feels like that says something, although it would take some articulation to dig into all the issues surrounding it.

Tangentially, I do find it genuinely funny that a lot of the slang, attitude, and social shorthand in younger generations is now borrowing heavily from Ru Paul's Drag Race. (Which, as we both know, is a milieu that grew out of Black ballroom culture of the 70s and 80s, but the show's popularity on social media seems to have popularized it and disseminated it more broadly. When my 15 year old niece used "snatched" in a sentence, I had to do a double take).

[Celerity]

124. Oh, for sure I meant touched upon HERE on DU. And I would not just stop on that subject. But alas, my 'perch' would not

save me here.

[Cirsium]

192. She was on Urban View

She wasn't performing for the benefit of white liberals.

[Brainfodder]

86. I quit getting offended by words a long time ago, follow the money and actions!

I leave word wars for the truly weak, look at him, you think he lasts 2m outside on his own?

The real racists, just let them speak, they show it often?
I know I got taught some phrases that were awful and I had the judgement not to use them.
The real trouble for many of the Republican base is that everyone in their orbit feels like they do and if they source news from only those also in line, they likely no less actual facts than if they consumed no news at all! How do you really attack that effectively?
Closed loop voters.

[Greywing]

87. Explain to me why anyone believes a Faux news story

Posting a clip of a podcast that has not even aired yet (podcast is due to air May 15th). Faux is notorious for their editing … taking a piece of a recording and posting it without full context.

[betsuni]

91. Huh? There are other sources.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100220309169

[flying rabbit]

99. Welcome aboard the "i'm offended train"!

Good thing there is nothing else to worry about.

[AntiFascist]

100. LOL, it's better than 'white trash' n/t

[elocs]

103. Calling any man a "boy" is meant to be offensive as is adding "white" before it.

It's not meant to be a compliment, but Liberals think that white men have no reason to complain about anything.

[Doodley]

147. Which man has she called a white boy? Here's the answer: She's not talking about an actual person!

[Llewlladdwr]

168. Can you explain what she's talking about then?

From my reading of the quote she's talking about multiple actual persons. So I'd say she's called multiple people white boys.

[Skittles]

173. it's not that they don't have the right to complain

it's that they complain about FUCKING EVERYTHING

[Cirsium]

112. There we go

Someone found a clever way to attack Representative Crockett.

[Mountainguy]

113. Did they use mind control

To make her say it?

[Cirsium]

196. Huh?

There is nothing wrong with what she said.

I think the "mind control" is coming from opponents of Crockett who have triggered white fragility among some people here.

[mcar]

116. Good gad!

[Ol Janx Spirit]

118. The demand that everyone from every background and socioeconomic or education level only speak in

words and terms that are not taken as offensive by any other person from any given background, socioeconomic level, and education level is insane and completely self-defeating. Without even knowing it, each and every one of us has said something offensive to someone else. That is the nature of language and linguistics. If what we want is a world where every thought must be conveyed through some Babel Fish AI to retranslate anything that would be considered offensive to the person hearing or reading it then let's just continue being constantly offended. Otherwise, let's give people the benefit of the doubt unless it is patently obvious they do not deserve it. This does not appear to me to be one of those cases.

[JustAnotherGen]

119. Jesus Christ

We are getting ready to have medicaid ripped away from Americans who really need it - and between this and the proper use of the word 'bitch' - people are focusing on what words we use.

This is why we lose. But she's right at the core message. I know there is a segment of voters that are fawning all over AOC or even Crockett to be a candidate -

But we need a plain old white guy (is guy offensive?) in 2028.

Black women are not willing to give the 'others' another win. It's a matter of the RIGHT white guy who will throw off the old politics of respectability and shove down voices shouting "come together" and just get out of the way of the People punishing the Others. It's that simple.

Barack Obama was hobbled by his race and message of hope.

If we want truth, reconciliation, trials, imprisonment etc. etc. we need a white man who can strike FEAR into us of what is coming if we don't vote for him. The shiniest happiest ones I can think of our Gov Pritzker and Sec Buttigieg. That's a zero fucks to give team.

And neither one will 'tone police' our Reps and Senators

[Keepthesoulalive]

145. We must tone police ourselves in certain blogs

Being an old lady, I love the black folks on YouTube, they are bold outspoken and not held back by our tradition of watch what you say. They are speaking truth and I love it.

[Bettie]

149. This right here is what we need:

"It's a matter of the RIGHT white guy who will throw off the old politics of respectability and shove down voices shouting "come together" and just get out of the way of the People punishing the Others. It's that simple."

Democrats need to stop trying to make them act right. They won't. They have no reason to and we have no reason to try to cajole them into trying just one little moment of being a decent human. That ship sailed with Newt Gingrich and it's not coming back. They are not our "friends across the aisle".

So, instead of bringing a casserole (or hot dish, yes, someone recently got angry with me for saying casserole instead of hot dish....see, people can be offended by ANYTHING) to a partisan fight, maybe they can just once, bring a sharp tongue and a no-more-nonsense attitude.

[JustAnotherGen]

179. Bring a folding chair

If necessary!

[LearnedHand]

120. This smells like someone is complaining about reverse racism

It's a reprehensible take because in no way have white men ever been put in their place by authority figures calling them "boy." What Crockett said is not even in the same universe and isn't worthy of "why do Black people got to say this." It's very much in line with the "good ol boys" thing, NOT "hey boy."

[meadowlander]

123. Words are not inherently offensive. The context in which they are used and the intent behind them is.

For example, two women (or two gay men) who are friends who refer to each as "gurl" to express that friendship - not offensive.

A man in an office calling a female coworker a "girl" to diminish her accomplishment and sexually objectify her - offensive.

A white police officer calling a black man a "boy" to assert his power over him in a context in which for hundreds of years white slave owners used that term to do the same thing - offensive.

The white equivalent? Can't really think of it because, you know, not that context.

Jasmin Crockett making a mild joke about how systemic racism and misogyny means our best option in 2028 is probably a white man (and using the term "boy" to soften that pretty grim reality) - not really that offensive

The fact that she's probably right - pretty offensive.

If I was going to choose where I wanted to put my time and energy over the next couple years, it would probably be on that last thing.

[mike_c]

127. honestly, I can't explain it....

I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't be offended unless the term was clearly meant to be offensive. I've been called far worse!

[Meowmee]

128. Whatever you want to call anybody

If you run a woman again, you’re going to lose again… just face it and get on with it. Let’s get rid of fascism and worry about the rest later. We almost had hrc, and we would have if this country were a popular democracy…there would’ve been no psycho.

[Llewlladdwr]

130. Of course it's offensive.

Intentionally so.

And as this thread demonstrates, that's a-ok with lots of Dems.

Bold strategy, we'll see how that works out....

[Doodley]

148. Which man has she called a white boy? Here's the answer: She's not talking about an actual person!

[Llewlladdwr]

166. Can you explain what she's talking about then?

From my reading of the quote she's talking about multiple actual persons. So I'd say she's called multiple people white boys.

[rollin74]

133. It's an offensive comment

a real dumb thing for her to have said

[Doodley]

137. To try to turn this comment into a scandal doesn't help us. I listen to WHAT she is saying, rather than find fault.

She is one on the best communicators we have. She is a voice of compassion and an attack dog who speaks plainly, and that we need right now, more than ever.

[milestogo]

140. Its not a good idea to "attack" members of your own party,

especially unprovoked.

[Doodley]

151. It's like, "Let's not listen to what she is actually saying. Let's destroy her!" This is how we lose elections.

[milestogo]

156. Who said "Let's destroy her!"?

She said something offensive about other Democrats and I pointed it out.

[questionseverything]

164. Crockett is a disciplined speaker, she thought about and meant every word in that speech

She knew it was offensive, that’s what she intended or are you saying she isn’t that bright?

[Doodley]

171. Are you saying that you knew what she was thinking, and as a result, you are accusing a Democratic lawmaker of

deliberately offending other Democrats?

[Bonx]

150. Addressing an adult male you don't know of another race as 'boy' is intended to be offensive

[MorbidButterflyTat]

153. I hope

whoever is chosen to run on the Democratic ticket, if male, is mature and secure enough to withstand the horror if referred to as a boy.

JFC.

[milestogo]

177. Would you say that if someone called Barack Obama "boy"?

That he should become more mature and secure?

Or would you tell the person who said it to STFU?

[Cirsium]

195. Really?

Are you completely unaware of the history, of the connection between that and white supremacy? Here? In 2025?

There is no history of that being a slur used against whites.

[doc03]

154. White boy, cracker and honky just as offensive as names people call

blacks, Latinos, Jews, Arabs, Polish and so on.

[ProfessorGAC]

169. M'Eh!

It was less than artful of Ms. Crockett but, offensive? No
Particularly since some of those safe "boys" are eminently qualified for higher office.
But, i take no offense.

[WarGamer]

170. I'm a big advocate of the "other shoe test"

How would the comment be perceived if it was "Black Boy"???

These kinds of comments HAVE NO PLACE in public discourse...

[Cirsium]

190. False equivalence

Racism does not "go both ways," despite the right wingers insisting that it does.

[ecstatic]

178. I want to share another perspective

The interview was on Sirius XM's Urban View. She was speaking directly with her people. "White boy," in the context that she used it, was not meant to be taken literally, and there wouldn't be any confusion from listeners on that point. She was using vernacular to emphasize a point and what that often looks like is saying things in a country/southern way.

That said, over the past few months, Rep Crockett's name recognition has skyrocketed and folks are breathlessly reporting everything she says. Some minor tweaking might be needed to make sure her message is understood by a wider audience, or at least understood by everyone under the democratic tent.

[OAITW r.2.0]

182. Hats off to Jasmine Crocket for getting a huge response on DU. This white boy approves. .

And I totally get the difference when it's a white man using it to insult and denigrate black males.

[CrispyQ]

186. I'm more offended that my two democratic white boy senators have voted for 10 & 8 of Trump's noms.

WTF boys? You don't work with fascists.

[Stinky The Clown]

188. Krasnov offends me. Every MAGAtMotherfucker offends me. "White Boy" not so much

Liberals need to grow thicker skins and learn more tolerance.

I'm with Jasmine Crockett on this one.

[Blue Owl]

189. I'm not offended by it

[SocialDemocrat61]

193. Is this Democratic Underground

or FAUX News? Sounds more like something they would do on FAUX to attack a woman of color.

[Cirsium]

197. What an eye-opener

This thread is an eye-opener, and not in a good way. Very disappointing.

[appmanga]

198. Guess what...

...you have a right to be offended. I'm a black guy, and I don't care for it either.