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Proposals in Congress and now 20 states could encourage harmful employer practices and lead to tip requests in virtually every consumer transaction
https://www.epi.org/blog/no-tax-on-tips-will-harm-more-workers-than-it-helps-proposals-in-congress-and-now-20-states-could-encourage-harmful-employer-practices-and-lead-to-tip-requests-in-virtually-every-co/
When President Trump proposed exempting tipped income from taxation during his 2024 presidential campaign, many viewed it as a politically expedient gimmick to win support among tipped service workers. Unfortunately, then-Vice President Harris soon followed suit, and since the election, a federal no tax on tips bill has been reintroduced and lawmakers in at least 20 states have proposed similar bills (see map below). Now that lawmakers in a multitude of states have supported the idea, its worth unpacking just how incredibly foolish and dangerous these proposals are. In summary, exempting tips from taxes would:

No tax on tips would help few low-wage workers, while potentially undercutting pay for more
Proponents of exempting tipped income from federal and state taxes have called the proposal a lifeline that will deliver financial relief and put cash back in the pocket of a significant number of workers. In reality, exempting tips from taxable income will help very few workers. First, very few low-wage workers receive tips. If you look at those earning less than $25 per hour, which is just less than half of the workforce, only 5.1% are in traditionally tipped occupations.
Second, many tipped workers already dont pay federal income tax. According to researchers at the Brookings Institute, 37% of tipped workers earn so little that they pay no federal income tax. Similar trends often apply with state income taxes. For instance, families in Virginia earning less than $26,500 only pay 0.3% of their income toward income taxes. Moreover, exempting tips from taxation will lead to cases where low-income workers end up effectively losing income through losing eligibility to tax credits such as the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit (CTC).1
Among tipped workers who do owe taxes, the greatest beneficiaries of this proposal would inherently be those who are already the best offi.e., those receiving the most tips. It makes no sense for lawmakers to give preference in the tax code to servers in expensive, high-end restaurants who are receiving large tips over a waitress at Dennys struggling to make ends meet. Nor does it make sense to give tax preference to low-wage tipped workers over nontipped low-wage workers like a bank teller, a retail cashier, or a teachers aide. Efforts to raise pay for low-wage workers should focus on the level of earnings, not whether payment came as a gratuity.
Ending taxation of tips would benefit employers at workers expense..................
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markodochartaigh
(5,535 posts)that money can buy, but they are out in front of this issue as well. Expanding the "traditionally tipped occupations" to include state and local officials.
https://www.bracewell.com/resources/is-it-a-tip-or-a-bribe-supreme-court-narrows-scope-of-anti-corruption-statutes-for-state-and-local-officials/
WarGamer
(18,603 posts)What's next? Taxing Johnny's Birthday Card cash?
Mosby
(19,491 posts)Because it's income, and if the cash gifts exceed 19k they have to file a special form.
WarGamer
(18,603 posts)TnDem
(1,390 posts)Arguing against no taxes on tips because Drump proposed it is classic how-to-lose positioning.
If I were in charge of the party, I'd steal it from trump and claim it was our own idea to begin with
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Celerity
(54,336 posts)policy that will lead to bad outcomes.
You posted on here against Kamala when she came out in favor of it after trump did?
Celerity
(54,336 posts)Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Johonny
(26,130 posts)To cover costs. What occupation wouldn't pay 25000 in "tips" and who wouldn't try to claim tips given the huge loophole?
Littlered
(347 posts)I couldnt count the times that I was the lowest paid person (by far) when I was salary.
berkerly6240
(113 posts)the_liberal_grandpa
(296 posts)Bribes paid to a politician as a payoff for actions that benefit an individual or group of individuals are considered
Tips if paid AFTER the benefit has been provided and no longer are considered bribes.
This is, in my opinion why these losers want to pass this. They will all likely be handsomely rewarded by the rich and well connected for giving them tax cuts and cutting regulations they wanted in exchange for dumping millions of dollars into the 2024 election to get these traitors elected. Now those politicians will not have to pay taxes on their bribes. I mean tips.
https://www.bakerlaw.com/insights/bribe-vs-tip-the-implications-of-snyder-v-united-states-for-companies/
Abolishinist
(2,952 posts)shenanigans, especially in those states where the minimum wage for 'tipped' employees is in the two to three dollar range. I have to think they will find a way to line their own pockets as well.
Number one we should get rid of tips, period. Work is work. Pay employees an hourly wage and have restaurants compete for servers based on this. If we have a nice dinner and the bill is, say $200, it doesn't bother me financially that I feel compelled to give a $40 tip, it's just that when you think about it, we were here for an hour and a half, and my server had ten other customers. Everything being equal they earned an additional $240 in that time or $160 per hour, IN ADDITION to their wage, which where I live is $20/hour at minimum. I realize in most places this is divided up to include the kitchen staff, but still.
The fact is that if we did this, restaurants would need to raise menu prices by ~20%, and this is abhorrent to them.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
