Who are the dangerous criminals?

[Tootbsb]

Her stats line up with CDC data…

— Jess Piper (@piperformissouri.bsky.social) 2025-05-27T17:40:58.954Z

[WarGamer]

1. I can't verify those numbers.

Not saying they're BS... just can't verify

I like her point... but is it accurate.

Large grain of salt with any "data" from social media.

[wolfie001]

2. I just checked and she's spot on

Of course, I knew the outcome already. Most killed were probably domestic partners, relatives or friends.

[WarGamer]

10. SHE CLAIMED numbers

FIND THE SOURCE.

[Iggo]

49. They're still dead, though.

[Tootbsb]

4. I literally verified the numbers before posting. Thanks.

[WarGamer]

12. 29?

[wolfie001]

13. Thank you! I trusted what the original poster you quoted was saying

Here in Maryland and the closer states, we've had more than just a few 35–50-year-old sons who've killed their fathers while still living in the homes they grew up in. Very odd behavior. All whites that I've seen.

[North Coast Lawyer]

3. Murder Rates Down

Interestingly according to FBI crime stats murders were down 11.6% in 2023. So much for GOP rantings about crime waves.

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/home

Regardless: 24,803 homicide suspects were white.

[wolfie001]

14. That's always been the case with a Democratic President!

During ronnie rayguns, crime and murder soared. It came way down under Bill Clinton. Same thing with that ass GWB. Went down with Obama. And on and on.

*So glad I posted my 5,000 to a Canadian! Elbows Up!

[Walleye]

29. Crime rates usually go down when the economy is good and jobs are available

[wolfie001]

58. Because of Democratic Presidential policies

Intelligent people globally are attracted to the US when we have an open and honest person in the WH. Having a just and honest society. Not some religious phony, or a washed-up actor or a bloated felon. Scholars and innovators see the writing on the wall here right now.

[Walleye]

59. Yes. Absolutely correct.

[wolfie001]

61. Kudos!

[BeerBarrelPolka]

5. FBI rates

FBI

Black or African American: 36,736

White: 24,803

Unknown: 12,105

Not Specified: 10,098

American Indian or Alaska Native: 808

Asian: 647


https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/shr

[Tootbsb]

6. How many are immigrants? That was the point.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

8. Her point was singling out white men

[wolfie001]

17. Oh my

Let me clutch my pearls.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

19. So

So you're ok with her posting bullshit lies?

[wolfie001]

21. Her numbers pan out

I guess you missed my post near the top. Quick, cursory check. You should do it. Most white males are responsible people of course. What she was saying in the original post is that the # of immigrant murders are miniscule and it's been blown way out of proportion by white racist republicans. I mean, come on. You know that.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

23. I posted the real numbers

From the FBI. The real numbers make white males look far WORSE than what she posted!

[wolfie001]

25. Yes Yes!

[BeerBarrelPolka]

26. We should have a beer together

After all with my name and your avatar

[wolfie001]

27. You're a good man!

Thanks for not putting me on blast. Kudos!

[BeerBarrelPolka]

28. Blast?

No chance!

Bartender!!!!!!!!!

[aka-chmeee]

33. Not really

At 59 percent of the population, they commit 52 percent of the murders.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

34. No they don't

[wolfie001]

54. You really should include all of the indirect deaths caused by racist white male gun-humpers.....

.....who are in decisions of power. They pass the laws that cause many unnecessary deaths because they have zero empathy or humanity. How's that? Right to the point, right?

[Iggo]

50. Good.

[hardluck]

39. Check your numbers again

You need to do a custom timeframe from 1/23-12/23. You went with the default of 5 years.

The website is kinda wonky and defaults to 5 years for some reason.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

40. TY.

Jan-Dec 2023

Black or African American: 9,653

White: 6,902

Not Specified: 2,942

Unknown: 2,796

American Indian or Alaska Native: 242

Asian: 204

[Greg_In_SF]

7. How many

white men are there VS. the number of immigrants?

[Tootbsb]

11. I don't know; when it is reported 24/7 breathlessly that immigrants are killing and committing crimes

The facts don’t agree. 🤷‍♂️

[WarGamer]

15. CAN i SEE YOUR SOURCE FOR 29?

[BeerBarrelPolka]

16. Yes!

Yes! I'd like to see that too. As well as her stats for 8,842 white men. The FBI has something to say about that.

[hardluck]

38. Here's are the sources

For the 29 figure, its from U.S. Customs and Border Protection:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics-fy2023

Total Criminal Convictions by Type
This table organizes nationwide convictions of criminal aliens by type of criminal conduct. Because some criminal aliens may be convicted of multiple criminal offenses, total convictions listed below exceed the total arrests noted in the table above.

Conviction Type FY17 FY18 FY19 FY20 FY21 FY22 FY23YTD

Homicide, Manslaughter 3 3 2 3 60 62 29

For homicides by white men:
https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend
You need to make sure you select a custom timeframe of 1/23 - 12/23. Not her exact number but close.

Black or African American - 9,299

White - 6,333

Not Specified - 2,945

Unknown - 2,105

American Indian or Alaska Native - 251

Asian - 183

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander -50

Asian, Native Hawaiian, or Other Pacific Islander - 0

Multiple - 0

[BeerBarrelPolka]

41. Yes

I corrected the yearly stats. The CBP is erroneous. There's no way that in some years immigrants only killed 2 or 3 people. I linked in another post where one person killed that many in a single incident.

[hardluck]

44. Agreed

I have a hard time believing 29 is the correct number. That said, I was just posting where she got it from. Still working so haven’t had a chance to do a deep dive on that statistic.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

45. Cool

Please look into it. I checked something. In 2019, there 1.65 million immigrants in Chicago area alone. There is no way on planet earth that on 2 or 3 or 29 immigrants only committed murders in the whole country. I simply cannot buy that.

Thanks again.

[WarGamer]

48. This is being misread...

In Texas alone, there were 90+ immigrant murders just in 2022.

So 29 nationally in 2023... laughable.

NOTE: It's a FACT that immigrants have LOWER crime rates than citizens...

But that's no excuse for false data.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

51. There's someone down thread

That replied to me:

(They are measuring the number of immigrants arrested by CBP)

So really the number is meaningless because like you wrote, the number is laughable in the nationwide scope.

[WarGamer]

52. I just read, Texas is the only State that keeps records of immigration status upon conviction.

So yeah... the data is being manipulated to send disinformation.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

53. Ok thank you

[wolfie001]

18. I didn't think DU had such sensitive males lurking about

They even don their football attire. This sh7t is so effing funny.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

20. So you're insulting me?

Because I actually post the true facts from the FBI that makes white males look WORSE than what the lady in the post actually stated? That's rich!

[wolfie001]

24. Oh sorry Polka

I guess my typing got ahead of me. I was agreeing with the poster and just saw the Brown's helmet. My bad.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

32. Being a Browns fan

Nothing on this site can hurt me. The Browns have hurt me enough.....

[wolfie001]

55. The first squad ended up as the Ravens

Great rivalry with Baltimore.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

57. Yeah

and then they won the Super Bowl with basically the whole Cleveland team....UGH!!!!!!

[Walleye]

30. Sort of like the number of trans athletes that are competing in girls sports. Blown way out of whack.

[Just Jerome]

9. Jess Piper

is righteous, right on, and she gets it RIGHT!

[Bo Zarts]

31. Jess Piper is one of my favorites on Substack ..

She is always totally on it!

[Wiz Imp]

35. Here's where the 29 number came from. It's legit.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

[BeerBarrelPolka]

37. I have to

I have to call that into question because those numbers are simply too low. For example, I just did one quick Google search and found this about an illegal immigrant who killed 2 people in 2020 alone.

https://www.foxla.com/news/undocumented-immigrant-orange-county-teens-killed-early-release

So I can't buy those Homicide/Manslaughter numbers.

Edit:

Here's one from 2019:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/26/us/undocumented-immigrant-robbery-murder

[Wiz Imp]

42. The numbers come directly from CBP - the people responsible for immigration and Border control

Keep in mind they count people, so the actual number of people killed may be a little higher if any one person killed more than one other person.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

43. I get that

I'm just say the numbers are wrong. Not directed towards you, but we'd be living in a fantasy world if we think only 3 people a year are killed by immigrants in a country of 330 million people. That happens in a weekend here in Chicago by drug dealers alone. Something is WAY off.

[Wiz Imp]

46. Just because the numbers don't agree with your preconceived assumptions does not make them wrong.

The numbers are not wrong. They definitely measure what they claim to measure. I think you misunderstand what they are measuring . (They are measuring the number of immigrants arrested by CBP)

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-4000-people-are-killed-yearly-by-undocumented-immigrants-2024-09-27/

Despite the lack of official data, there is significant research demonstrating “unauthorized immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than the U.S. born,” Mittelstadt said.

Texas is the only state that logs immigration status in its arrest records, and several studies use data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to examine criminality among immigrants in the U.S. illegally.

Two studies found that undocumented immigrants in Texas commit homicide at significantly lower rates than their U.S.-born counterparts.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022

Figure 3 shows the homicide arrest rates for each subpopulation in the 2013–2022 period. In total, 729 illegal immigrants, 765 legal immigrants, and 14,710 native-born Americans were arrested for homicide in Texas. The homicide arrest rates over the entire period are 3.4 for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, 2.6 for legal immigrants, and 6.2 for native-born Americans. Illegal immigrants were 44.8 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be arrested for homicide. Legal immigrants were 57.6 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of homicide. The homicide-conviction-to-arrest ratio for illegal immigrants is 0.65 during the 10-year period analyzed here, meaning that about 65 percent of homicide arrests of illegal immigrants led to a conviction. The conviction-to-arrest ratios for legal immigrants and native-born Americans are 0.44 and 0.48, respectively, meaning that fewer arrests of legal immigrants and native-born Americans led to homicide convictions.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

47. Correct! It has no bearing to FBI stats however

FBI stats are nationwide which is what the lady in the OP was making note of in the white man stat. It's the stat that I was using as well. Yes, the border patrol stat is correct for border patrol, but is incorrect for national rates. So she was using an apples vs oranges comparison. Furthermore, she stated immigrants, not "illegal" immigrants. That is even a broader range. That's why I was calling it out.

[WarGamer]

60. that link shows the 29 number was nonsense...

In fact... immigrants have lower crime rates than native born Americans... which is cool.

But the 29 thing is somewhere between BS, misinformation and disinformation in the context that tweet implied.

[maspaha]

36. Time for an executive order to halt that kind of data collection

[Iggo]

56. I just want to make sure you guys are reading it right.

It says immigrants killed 29 Americans.

It doesn’t say immigrants only committed 29 murders.

(I have no idea if the numbers are right. I’m just sayin’ what it says. You guys can keep on arguing about the other shit…lol.)