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RandySF

(86,331 posts)
Thu May 29, 2025, 02:27 PM May 2025

MD-05: Former 'Jeopardy!' contestant (D) challenges Hoyer, emphasizing age difference

Former House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) received a primary challenge Thursday from volunteer firefighter and former “Jeopardy!” contestant Harry Jarin, who is seeking to make age a centerpiece of the campaign.

In a statement announcing his bid, Jarin, 35, said Hoyer, 85, “represents a bygone era of politics that isn’t working” and that congressional seats should not be treated as “lifetime appointments.”

“I’ve seen from the inside how the Democratic Party has totally lost touch with working people,” Jarin said. “We didn’t present a vision of the future or politicians that people could relate to, and that’s what opened the door for Trump and extremist Republicans to take power.”

“Politicians in their late 80s like Steny Hoyer simply don’t know how to communicate in the era of social media,” he continued. “Democrats have to recognize how badly we’ve failed and change course if we want to win.”




https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5323498-hoyer-primary-challenge-jarin-age/

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MD-05: Former 'Jeopardy!' contestant (D) challenges Hoyer, emphasizing age difference (Original Post) RandySF May 2025 OP
Great idea. I don't remember Harry but I'll look him up. Ritabert May 2025 #1
Oh this should be a *great* discussion here Arazi May 2025 #2
I am trying to imagine changing his dsc May 2025 #3
Sorry recent developments like the attacks on Biden Ritabert May 2025 #7
If his ideas are so fresh why doesn't he actually tell us some of them? dsc May 2025 #8
Early days. The election isn't until 2026 Ritabert May 2025 #11
I always thought when you made an announcement of this nature. rogue emissary May 2025 #21
Why the shrug? muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #23
Searched his name and couldn't find this site. rogue emissary May 2025 #24
That is embarrassingly light. W_HAMILTON May 2025 #25
My impression as well dsc May 2025 #26
EXACTLY!!! elleng May 2025 #54
Hoyer will be just a few months shy of 87 if he won and took office. Self Esteem May 2025 #32
I am not arguing for blind support dsc May 2025 #36
Yes. I'm blindly supporting the younger alternative. Self Esteem May 2025 #41
To the old guard..Hoyer, Durbin (retiring) ,Schumer, Markey and yes Pelosi.. agingdem May 2025 #4
GET ON WITH IT Skittles May 2025 #43
Let's shoot ourselves in the foot with ageism. Blame them, they're too old. bucolic_frolic May 2025 #5
maybe the "raison d'etre" is WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS *NOT* WORKING Skittles May 2025 #44
I'm okay with someone younger challenging an octogenarian RandomNumbers May 2025 #55
R-S-T-L-N-E BoRaGard May 2025 #6
Wrong game. nolabear May 2025 #9
OK, you pass the DU dementia screening BoRaGard May 2025 #13
... nolabear May 2025 #22
lol Renew Deal May 2025 #46
Nice post, Vanna! madinmaryland May 2025 #19
"I'm hip and younger!" may be a great tag line Torchlight May 2025 #10
Who is this Jeopardy contestant? senseandsensibility May 2025 #12
Looks like he was a contestant December 24, 2024 Quiet Em May 2025 #15
Thanks senseandsensibility May 2025 #16
no problem Quiet Em May 2025 #17
His website is up. I'm sure it will continue to Nanjeanne May 2025 #14
What is "DU Shitshow" TheProle May 2025 #18
This has to happen and despite the protestations of some here it will happen. harumph May 2025 #20
Oh my, is he also going to cry """rigged!!!1!!!""" when/if he loses? W_HAMILTON May 2025 #27
did you notice the results of the last election Skittles May 2025 #29
What I noticed last election is that Hoyer defeated his Democratic primary challengers 72.3 to 27.7 onenote May 2025 #31
the fact that someone wins doesn't really mean anything Skittles May 2025 #34
I suspect Steny Hoyer, who has earned the respect of his Democratic colleagues onenote May 2025 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 2025 #38
in ANY other job there would be HUGE changes after such a dismal performance Skittles May 2025 #39
What job? Steny wasn't part of leadership in 2024. onenote May 2025 #40
THERE NEEDS TO BE CHANGES Skittles May 2025 #42
So I guess that's a yes - you want the current House Democratic leadership primaried onenote May 2025 #45
Unless you watched his Jeopardy episode, you didn't even know this guy two weeks ago. W_HAMILTON May 2025 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author W_HAMILTON May 2025 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity May 2025 #28
Hoyer faced three primary challengers in 2024 -- he crushed them onenote May 2025 #30
Sounds lame. I get that having younger people JI7 May 2025 #33
I disagree with some of his points like: mountain grammy May 2025 #35
This is good news Renew Deal May 2025 #47
He has a point, far as that goes, though every rule has exceptions Tom Rinaldo May 2025 #48
Hoyer needs to retire. I want some younger people in there and I'm old. Ritabert May 2025 #51
If "youth" is his only asset, then he should reconsider. no_hypocrisy May 2025 #52
Does he have anything ELSE to say? elleng May 2025 #53
All I can say is that I hope he can win if he wins the on. kerry-is-my-prez May 2025 #56

dsc

(53,445 posts)
3. I am trying to imagine changing his
Thu May 29, 2025, 02:32 PM
May 2025

line Politicians in their late 80s like Steny Hoyer simply don’t know how to communicate in the era of social media,
to virtually any other trait.

Politicians who are black simply don't know how to communicate in areas that white people run.
Politicians who are gay simply don't know how to communicate in areas dominated by straight people.
Politicians who are women simply don't know how to communicate with men.
etc.

It would be flagged as the bigotry it is. Maybe he should beat Hoyer in the race. But he should be able to give us a better reason than Hoyer is old.

Ritabert

(2,615 posts)
7. Sorry recent developments like the attacks on Biden
Thu May 29, 2025, 02:55 PM
May 2025

....show that it's not ageism. It's reality. We need some fresh ideas and they're not coming from the old guard.

dsc

(53,445 posts)
8. If his ideas are so fresh why doesn't he actually tell us some of them?
Thu May 29, 2025, 02:57 PM
May 2025

I didn't see any ideas, fresh, stale, or otherwise in that announcement.

rogue emissary

(3,376 posts)
21. I always thought when you made an announcement of this nature.
Thu May 29, 2025, 05:20 PM
May 2025

Your campaign website would go live with that information.

W_HAMILTON

(10,439 posts)
25. That is embarrassingly light.
Thu May 29, 2025, 05:53 PM
May 2025

And the few positions he takes, they aren't even that different from Hoyer's.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
32. Hoyer will be just a few months shy of 87 if he won and took office.
Thu May 29, 2025, 07:36 PM
May 2025

If he served a full term, he'd be pushing 90.

I am sorry but that is ridiculous. Call me a bigot all you want but he's too fucking old.

At this point, age is a liability. It's a liability mentally and it's a liability electorally. The Democratic Party is getting absolutely decimated right now - with record-high disapproval numbers and we've got a bunch of hanger-ons who refuse to cede power. It's bad optics. It's selfish. It's pure party rot and no one should blindly support it.

If these politicians aren't going to retire willingly, we need to retire 'em ourselves.

So, yes, Hoyer should not be reelected in 2026 because the dude is too old.

Did we learn nothing from the Feinstein fiasco where she didn't know where she was most the time?

If Democrats are going to regain the trust of Americans, something they've absolutely lost over the last few years, returning people like Hoyer to Washington is not going to do it.

The only saving grace is that Hoyer is from a reliably blue district. But a man who just suffered a stroke last year, and is soon to be pushing 90 years old, should not be returned to Washington if we can stop it in the primary. IF the Democrats retake the House in 2026, they'll likely take it back by the smallest of margins. We've already lost three elderly Democrats this year because they died in office - the likelihood of Hoyer dying in 2027 or 2028 or suffering from something extremely debilitating is significantly higher than a younger member.

What if the Democrats only win back the House by one or two seats and he kicks the bucket? We could go months where the party doesn't have a stopgap to stop Trump because of pure fucking hubris.

Hoyer should drop out and endorse his challenger. He's been in office for nearly 45 years.

And if he refuses, I hope he loses bigly because these older Democrats are killing the party by refusing to step aside.

Hoyer won his seat only because Gladys Spellman, the congresswoman who served before him, suffered a massive heart attack and slipped into a coma weeks before the 1980 election that she never awoke from. The seat wasn't permanently filled until MAY, months after it was ruled vacant because of medical issues.

We can't afford another Spellman situation. Hoyer is too old. If you find that bigoted, I really don't know what to tell you.

dsc

(53,445 posts)
36. I am not arguing for blind support
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:03 PM
May 2025

but given how sparce this issue page of this challenger's website is, vs the well known issue profile of Hoyer, it seems that you are the only blindly supporting someone. Honestly, his age should be taken into account. But so far, the challenger seems to have only the message that Hoyer is old. I fail to see this as being any different from we can't run this gay candidate because he can't win except here, this man has shown an ability to win over and over again, which is how he got to be there at his age.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
41. Yes. I'm blindly supporting the younger alternative.
Thu May 29, 2025, 11:46 PM
May 2025

Hoyer is too old to be in congress. It's embarrassing that we're even entertaining sending someone who will nearly be 90 at the end of his next term.

He should retire and if he's not willing to, I hope the primary voters can before he mucks things up for Democrats like we've already seen with some high-profiled politicians, including a former president.

If Democrats want to be taken seriously, they're going to have to start acting seriously and renominating a man deep into his 80s is not it. He should bow out gracefully instead of stubbornly hang on.

I mean, the list just keeps growing.

We didn't learn our lesson with RBG.

We didn't learn our lesson with Feinstein.

We didn't learn our lesson with Biden.

How many more times are we going to pretend age isn't a major issue that is hurting Democrats and Democratic ideals?

agingdem

(8,958 posts)
4. To the old guard..Hoyer, Durbin (retiring) ,Schumer, Markey and yes Pelosi..
Thu May 29, 2025, 02:43 PM
May 2025

and every aging Dem who has taken up decades long residence in the Senate and House...thank you for your service but it's time to retire...not just think about it...retire and do it now before the 2026 midterms and pass the proverbial baton to the next generation of Democratic hopefuls....

bucolic_frolic

(55,847 posts)
5. Let's shoot ourselves in the foot with ageism. Blame them, they're too old.
Thu May 29, 2025, 02:49 PM
May 2025

If your raison d'etre is "I'm 50 years younger" I think you haven't thought this through. I'm sure you'll be great at writing bills.

Skittles

(172,911 posts)
44. maybe the "raison d'etre" is WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS *NOT* WORKING
Fri May 30, 2025, 12:32 AM
May 2025

LONG PAST TIME FOR CHANGE

RandomNumbers

(19,263 posts)
55. I'm okay with someone younger challenging an octogenarian
Sat May 31, 2025, 06:25 PM
May 2025

But "vote for me because he's too old" isn't a compelling argument.

Surely Dems can find candidates that have actual, you know, qualifications and positions.

All they have to do is schedule a debate with the incumbent. The age factor will speak for itself - if it is meaningful. (and potentially in either direction)

Torchlight

(7,066 posts)
10. "I'm hip and younger!" may be a great tag line
Thu May 29, 2025, 03:02 PM
May 2025

but it should be supported by the concomitant and necessary platform, policy, and agenda positions. Otherwise it comes off as division for the sake of division.

Nanjeanne

(6,644 posts)
14. His website is up. I'm sure it will continue to
Thu May 29, 2025, 04:55 PM
May 2025

be worked on but he has a few policy issues up and brief bio etc.

https://www.harrymd5.com/home]

harumph

(3,422 posts)
20. This has to happen and despite the protestations of some here it will happen.
Thu May 29, 2025, 05:20 PM
May 2025

I'm 62 with 4 children between 17 and 32 and they're all sick of this shit - and I concur.
He's right about de-facto "lifetime appointments."

W_HAMILTON

(10,439 posts)
27. Oh my, is he also going to cry """rigged!!!1!!!""" when/if he loses?
Thu May 29, 2025, 05:57 PM
May 2025

If the voters choose to keep voting for the elected leaders that have served them well for years -- decades, in some cases -- who is this guy to tell them that they are wrong and their duly elected leaders shouldn't have a "de facto lifetime appointment" when they are BEING VOTED IN BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

onenote

(46,228 posts)
31. What I noticed last election is that Hoyer defeated his Democratic primary challengers 72.3 to 27.7
Thu May 29, 2025, 07:06 PM
May 2025

and went on to defeat his repub opponent by 67.8 -32.

Skittles

(172,911 posts)
34. the fact that someone wins doesn't really mean anything
Thu May 29, 2025, 07:42 PM
May 2025

they ALL "won"

the problem is HOW EFFECTIVE ARE THEY IN FIGHTING REPUKES AND FASCISM

onenote

(46,228 posts)
37. I suspect Steny Hoyer, who has earned the respect of his Democratic colleagues
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:02 PM
May 2025

would be more effective, even at his age, than a former jeopardy contestant with zero experience in the legislative arena.

If Steny decides not to run, and I think that would be the right move, I hope whoever succeeds him is well prepared to be a member of Congress , both in terms of national issues and serving local constituents, not someone who thinks they’re the best person for the job because they’re 35 years old

Response to onenote (Reply #37)

Skittles

(172,911 posts)
39. in ANY other job there would be HUGE changes after such a dismal performance
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:43 PM
May 2025

and Steny has been around long enough

onenote

(46,228 posts)
40. What job? Steny wasn't part of leadership in 2024.
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:50 PM
May 2025

The leaders of the Democratic Caucus in 2024 were Hakeem Jeffries, Pete Aguilar, and Katherine Clark.

Are you calling for them to be primaried?

onenote

(46,228 posts)
45. So I guess that's a yes - you want the current House Democratic leadership primaried
Fri May 30, 2025, 02:02 PM
May 2025

And presumably replaced by folks with no experience.

W_HAMILTON

(10,439 posts)
50. Unless you watched his Jeopardy episode, you didn't even know this guy two weeks ago.
Sat May 31, 2025, 03:30 PM
May 2025

As regretful voters are now learning, voting against incumbents just because """there needs to be changes""" doesn't result in some perfect utopia -- changes can be for the worse.

Response to Skittles (Reply #29)

Response to RandySF (Original post)

onenote

(46,228 posts)
30. Hoyer faced three primary challengers in 2024 -- he crushed them
Thu May 29, 2025, 07:02 PM
May 2025

He got over 70 percent of the vote, none of the three challengers, all much younger than Hoyer -- got more than 10.3 percent. It's not a "lifetime appointment" if the voters prefer you to the folks challenging you.

 

JI7

(93,908 posts)
33. Sounds lame. I get that having younger people
Thu May 29, 2025, 07:40 PM
May 2025

could bring energy but what I'm reading is jusr focusing on age. You should be able to present that energy and appeal without having to mention age.

Maybe things will be different from actually listening to him but just reading this he sounds like a bore.

mountain grammy

(29,221 posts)
35. I disagree with some of his points like:
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:00 PM
May 2025
“I’ve seen from the inside how the Democratic Party has totally lost touch with working people,” Jarin said. “We didn’t present a vision of the future or politicians that people could relate to, and that’s what opened the door for Trump and extremist Republicans to take power.”


I pretty much disagree. but if this is the perception, we better damn well address it.

“Politicians in their late 80s like Steny Hoyer simply don’t know how to communicate in the era of social media,” he continued. “Democrats have to recognize how badly we’ve failed and change course if we want to win.”


We didn't fail that badly but but we did fail, and a course correction definitely needed, and I know some oldies who communicate just fine in the era of social media.

But I am glad to see this challenge. I hope Steny retires.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,195 posts)
48. He has a point, far as that goes, though every rule has exceptions
Fri May 30, 2025, 05:02 PM
May 2025

My initial presumption us that most politicians over 80 no longer have their finger firmly on the pulse, but some prove me wrong. And there are Nazi skinheads in their 30's, so youth by itself is no silver bullet.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,333 posts)
56. All I can say is that I hope he can win if he wins the on.
Sat May 31, 2025, 06:33 PM
May 2025

Right now we cannot afford a Republican taking over a seat in this fascist country. Incumbents tend to win their races. If it’s a solid Dem district then good luck to him. Love me some smart Jeopardy contestants.

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