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Elevating mythical hyper-masculinestoic archetypes while crying uncontrollably
Jordan Peterson and Performance Art for the Insecure
by: prodigitalson
You may have caught a recent video where YouTubes favorite philosopher for celibate pick up artists, Jordan Peterson, sat down to debate a group of young atheists. As usual, he said a lot of things that sounded serious if you didnt think about them too hardand plenty that meant absolutely nothing at all.
But one moment really stuck out.
At one point, in full angry dad in a Christian movie mode, Peterson leaned in and scolded one of the college-aged participants:
A belief is something youd stake your life on.
It was delivered like a thunderbolt from Mount Wisdom, as if this pronouncement would end all debate. But lets be honest: its nonsense. Its not profoundits philosophical cosplay. And worse, its part of a tired act weve seen before: performative masculinity dressed up as intellectual rigor.
Because heres the truth:
Most of the beliefs that shape our lives are not the kind we die for. Theyre the kind we live by.
You believe in brushing your teeth. You believe in wearing a seatbelt. You believe in voting, paying your bills, eating protein, calling your sister back. You believe in democracy, public schools, and maybe that dogs are better than people. These aren't opinions. They are beliefs. They shape behavior, routines, and relationships.
But none of them require martyrdom. And that doesnt make them less real.
Peterson isnt interested in that kind of belief, though. He wants cinematic belief. Stoic suffering. Heroic sacrifice. Tragic masculinity with a mythological soundtrack. His philosophyif you can call it thatis built around preserving cultural myths that reinforce hierarchies and elevate manly archetypes: Achilles. The lone gunslinger. The bloodied-but-unbowed pipe fitter holding up the world in silence while the rest of us ungrateful woke ingrates sip lattes.
Which brings us to the weeping.
Yes, the weeping. If you've seen enough Peterson, you know what I mean: the full-on, tear-choked, voice-cracking laments about how we dont properly honor real men anymore. He literally cries about how society no longer venerates the quiet heroism of construction workers and pipe fitters.
Now pause and try to picture this:
A real pipe fitter. Covered in grime, finishing a 12-hour shift. Sitting down with a beer and watching Peterson cry about him on YouTube.
Is he touched? Flattered? Or is he just confused as hell, muttering, What the hell is wrong with this dude?
Because thats the paradox of Jordan Peterson:
Hes the loudest advocate for stoic masculinityand also its most theatrical violator.
He praises men who suffer in silence, then turns around and cries in front of a ring light because not enough people say thank you to ironworkers. He wants every man to be Clint Eastwood in a Sergio Leone flickgrim, unshakable, unknowablebut delivers his message with all the grace under pressure of a melting stick of butter.
Imagine Casablanca, but instead of Bogarts Heres looking at you, kid, we get Peterson sobbing, I just think weve lost something sacred... like airport baggage handlers... and welders... as the plane takes off without him. Its not timeless. Its TikTok.
And it all circles back to belief.
This claim that you dont really believe something unless youd die for it is just another part of the act. It's meant to make everyday belief seem small, weak, unmanlyunless it comes wrapped in stoic martyrdom and blood. Its a trap: a false binary between epic heroism and meaningless fluff.
But in the real world, belief doesnt look like Achilles going down in flames.
It looks like showing up. Like consistency. Like treating people decently.
Like brushing your teeth, voting in school board elections, and building a life worth livingwithout needing to collapse in tears to prove youre serious.
So let Peterson keep weeping for the fall of manly archetypes.
The rest of us will keep living by our beliefsquietly, imperfectly, and without a myth to prop us up.
Because thats what belief actually is:
Not what you die for. What you live by.
harumph
(3,115 posts)and this a great piece without fluff, showboating or excessive snark that are so common with writers whose reach exceeds their grasp.
My son complains about Peterson's shtick all the time and I passed it along to him.
Nicely done and skewers JP beautifully.
prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)I really appreciate your kind words.. I consciously tried avoiding the oh too common hyperbole of today's internet writing
sop
(17,566 posts)k_buddy762
(638 posts)prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)really?
"I believe the sky is blue" is a belief I suppose, but if someone held a gun to my head and told me to say the sky was red, I might comply in the moment.
But the deeply-held beliefs that I have passed onto my children, the ones who define who I am and how I live my life -- yes, I would die so that those beliefs could be perpetuated and kept strong in my society.
prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)"I believe the sky is blue" is a belief I suppose, but if someone held a gun to my head and told me to say the sky was red, I might comply in the moment"
Then "the sky is blue" is not one of your beliefs according to JP. I however would say it is. But I'm not willing to die for my belief that you believe the sky is blue, so I don't really believe that according to JP.
sop
(17,566 posts)I'd risk my life to save another human being, but an idea? No.
k_buddy762
(638 posts)that the life of another is possibly more important than your own, and/or something along the lines of one of the greatest things a person can do is lay his or her life down for another. That is a belief that I fully support and believe in.
sop
(17,566 posts)k_buddy762
(638 posts)I'm saying that, if your claim is that you are willing to die for another human being, then at some level your possess the belief that either that person's life is more important than your own, you believe that the highest gift a person can give is his or her life for another, or you love the person so much that you are willing to exchange your life for theirs. To me, these are all beliefs. If there are other circumstances that I am not considering, I'd love to hear them.
sop
(17,566 posts)k_buddy762
(638 posts)Hey Joe
(429 posts)I worked in the mechanical trades for 45 years doing jobs that were physically demanding under hot , loud and cramped conditions in construction and industrial settings .
Never did I believe that I was all that special, but realized I was performing a necessary job to keep the machines running and production going.
People like Peterson who never hit a lick, may try to capitalize on the work ethic of others in order to push some kind of macho , hyper masculine agenda, but dont understand that for most of us, its about doing the job and doing it right. Thats where the pride is.
prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)I paraphrase
never hit a lick and trying to capitalize on the work ethic of others
JI7
(93,260 posts)so they changed the title from Christian v atheists to Jordan Peterson v atheists.
Link to tweet
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prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)Abolishinist
(2,891 posts)I CANNOT stand Peterson. Sometimes whilst driving I select a YouTube video to listen to with someone like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins taking him on. Although as another poster stated, he will speak endlessly about Christianity, but not admit to being one. It's a story to him. "If you're not exceptionally cognitively astute you should be traditional and conservative"
"Danny" was exceptional! I wonder if he is in any other online events.
"Arent I? But youre really quite nothing, right? Youre not a Christian?" Danny scoffed.
Peterson ended the debate with Danny at this point.