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prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
Sat May 31, 2025, 03:08 PM May 2025

Jordan Peterson and Performance Art for the Insecure

Elevating mythical hyper-masculine
stoic archetypes while crying uncontrollably


Jordan Peterson and Performance Art for the Insecure

by: prodigitalson

You may have caught a recent video where YouTube’s favorite philosopher for celibate pick up artists, Jordan Peterson, sat down to debate a group of young atheists. As usual, he said a lot of things that sounded serious if you didn’t think about them too hard—and plenty that meant absolutely nothing at all.

But one moment really stuck out.

At one point, in full angry dad in a Christian movie mode, Peterson leaned in and scolded one of the college-aged participants:

“A belief is something you’d stake your life on.”

It was delivered like a thunderbolt from Mount Wisdom, as if this pronouncement would end all debate. But let’s be honest: it’s nonsense. It’s not profound—it’s philosophical cosplay. And worse, it’s part of a tired act we’ve seen before: performative masculinity dressed up as intellectual rigor.

Because here’s the truth:

Most of the beliefs that shape our lives are not the kind we die for. They’re the kind we live by.

You believe in brushing your teeth. You believe in wearing a seatbelt. You believe in voting, paying your bills, eating protein, calling your sister back. You believe in democracy, public schools, and maybe that dogs are better than people. These aren't “opinions.” They are beliefs. They shape behavior, routines, and relationships.

But none of them require martyrdom. And that doesn’t make them less real.

Peterson isn’t interested in that kind of belief, though. He wants cinematic belief. Stoic suffering. Heroic sacrifice. Tragic masculinity with a mythological soundtrack. His philosophy—if you can call it that—is built around preserving cultural myths that reinforce hierarchies and elevate manly archetypes: Achilles. The lone gunslinger. The bloodied-but-unbowed pipe fitter holding up the world in silence while the rest of us ungrateful woke ingrates sip lattes.

Which brings us to the weeping.

Yes, the weeping. If you've seen enough Peterson, you know what I mean: the full-on, tear-choked, voice-cracking laments about how we don’t properly honor “real men” anymore. He literally cries about how society no longer venerates the quiet heroism of construction workers and pipe fitters.

Now pause and try to picture this:
A real pipe fitter. Covered in grime, finishing a 12-hour shift. Sitting down with a beer and watching Peterson cry about him on YouTube.

Is he touched? Flattered? Or is he just confused as hell, muttering, “What the hell is wrong with this dude?”

Because that’s the paradox of Jordan Peterson:

He’s the loudest advocate for stoic masculinity—and also its most theatrical violator.

He praises men who suffer in silence, then turns around and cries in front of a ring light because not enough people say thank you to ironworkers. He wants every man to be Clint Eastwood in a Sergio Leone flick—grim, unshakable, unknowable—but delivers his message with all the grace under pressure of a melting stick of butter.

Imagine Casablanca, but instead of Bogart’s “Here’s looking at you, kid,” we get Peterson sobbing, “I just think we’ve lost something sacred... like airport baggage handlers... and welders...” as the plane takes off without him. It’s not timeless. It’s TikTok.

And it all circles back to belief.

This claim that “you don’t really believe something unless you’d die for it” is just another part of the act. It's meant to make everyday belief seem small, weak, unmanly—unless it comes wrapped in stoic martyrdom and blood. It’s a trap: a false binary between epic heroism and meaningless fluff.

But in the real world, belief doesn’t look like Achilles going down in flames.

It looks like showing up. Like consistency. Like treating people decently.

Like brushing your teeth, voting in school board elections, and building a life worth living—without needing to collapse in tears to prove you’re serious.

So let Peterson keep weeping for the fall of manly archetypes.

The rest of us will keep living by our beliefs—quietly, imperfectly, and without a myth to prop us up.

Because that’s what belief actually is:
Not what you die for. What you live by.



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Jordan Peterson and Performance Art for the Insecure (Original Post) prodigitalson May 2025 OP
prodigitalson, you're a very good writer harumph May 2025 #1
Thank you. prodigitalson May 2025 #3
Well written. sop May 2025 #6
I would die for my beliefs. k_buddy762 May 2025 #2
All of them? prodigitalson May 2025 #4
Well k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #9
Ok. You agree with me then and not JP! prodigitalson Jun 2025 #16
I wouldn't. sop May 2025 #5
Then you possess a belief k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #10
An idea is not the same as someone's life; one is abstract, the other is real. Playing semantics won't work. sop Jun 2025 #12
I'm not playing semantics k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #13
Your response is the quintessential example of "playing semantics." sop Jun 2025 #14
Have a nice day k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #15
Great piece Hey Joe May 2025 #7
Thank you...I like your description prodigitalson Jun 2025 #19
He refused to say he was a Christian debating one of them JI7 May 2025 #8
I have seen him straight up admit that he believes that dumb people are why we still need religion prodigitalson Jun 2025 #20
Made my day! Abolishinist Jun 2025 #21
They attract the young and ignorant with the cheapest grifts uponit7771 Jun 2025 #11
A great post...thoughtful, concise, and well-written. Thank you! Drum Jun 2025 #17
Thank YOU! prodigitalson Jun 2025 #18

harumph

(3,115 posts)
1. prodigitalson, you're a very good writer
Sat May 31, 2025, 03:24 PM
May 2025

and this a great piece without fluff, showboating or excessive snark that are so common with writers whose reach exceeds their grasp.
My son complains about Peterson's shtick all the time and I passed it along to him.
Nicely done and skewers JP beautifully.

prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
3. Thank you.
Sat May 31, 2025, 03:33 PM
May 2025

I really appreciate your kind words.. I consciously tried avoiding the oh too common hyperbole of today's internet writing

 

k_buddy762

(638 posts)
9. Well
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:14 AM
Jun 2025

"I believe the sky is blue" is a belief I suppose, but if someone held a gun to my head and told me to say the sky was red, I might comply in the moment.

But the deeply-held beliefs that I have passed onto my children, the ones who define who I am and how I live my life -- yes, I would die so that those beliefs could be perpetuated and kept strong in my society.

prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
16. Ok. You agree with me then and not JP!
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:20 AM
Jun 2025

"I believe the sky is blue" is a belief I suppose, but if someone held a gun to my head and told me to say the sky was red, I might comply in the moment"

Then "the sky is blue" is not one of your beliefs according to JP. I however would say it is. But I'm not willing to die for my belief that you believe the sky is blue, so I don't really believe that according to JP.

 

k_buddy762

(638 posts)
10. Then you possess a belief
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:15 AM
Jun 2025

that the life of another is possibly more important than your own, and/or something along the lines of one of the greatest things a person can do is lay his or her life down for another. That is a belief that I fully support and believe in.

sop

(17,566 posts)
12. An idea is not the same as someone's life; one is abstract, the other is real. Playing semantics won't work.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:36 AM
Jun 2025
 

k_buddy762

(638 posts)
13. I'm not playing semantics
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:12 AM
Jun 2025

I'm saying that, if your claim is that you are willing to die for another human being, then at some level your possess the belief that either that person's life is more important than your own, you believe that the highest gift a person can give is his or her life for another, or you love the person so much that you are willing to exchange your life for theirs. To me, these are all beliefs. If there are other circumstances that I am not considering, I'd love to hear them.

Hey Joe

(429 posts)
7. Great piece
Sat May 31, 2025, 04:13 PM
May 2025

I worked in the mechanical trades for 45 years doing jobs that were physically demanding under hot , loud and cramped conditions in construction and industrial settings .
Never did I believe that I was all that special, but realized I was performing a necessary job to keep the machines running and production going.
People like Peterson who never hit a lick, may try to capitalize on the work ethic of others in order to push some kind of macho , hyper masculine agenda, but don’t understand that for most of us, it’s about doing the job and doing it right. That’s where the pride is.

prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
19. Thank you...I like your description
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:34 PM
Jun 2025

I paraphrase

never hit a lick and trying to capitalize on the work ethic of others

JI7

(93,260 posts)
8. He refused to say he was a Christian debating one of them
Sat May 31, 2025, 04:17 PM
May 2025

so they changed the title from Christian v atheists to Jordan Peterson v atheists.


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Abolishinist

(2,891 posts)
21. Made my day!
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 07:00 PM
Jun 2025

I CANNOT stand Peterson. Sometimes whilst driving I select a YouTube video to listen to with someone like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins taking him on. Although as another poster stated, he will speak endlessly about Christianity, but not admit to being one. It's a story to him. "If you're not exceptionally cognitively astute you should be traditional and conservative"

"Danny" was exceptional! I wonder if he is in any other online events.

"You’re really quite something, aren’t you?" Peterson retorted.

"Aren’t I? But you’re really quite nothing, right? You’re not a Christian?" Danny scoffed.

Peterson ended the debate with Danny at this point.
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