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Susan Calvin

(2,392 posts)
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:51 AM Jun 2025

I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but it's the thought I woke up with.

Trump is a problem, but he isn't THE problem, he's a symptom.

THE problem is that corporations and billionaires been allowed to run wild for decades. They've been allowed to run the world, and this is where it's got us.

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I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but it's the thought I woke up with. (Original Post) Susan Calvin Jun 2025 OP
I disagree. mgardener Jun 2025 #1
I did say Trump was a problem. Susan Calvin Jun 2025 #4
You are correct k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #2
The same story for a thousand years Ponietz Jun 2025 #3
True. The cycle theoretically goes back to Plato. defacto7 Jun 2025 #16
But we should trust the monied corporations to count our votes? questionseverything Jun 2025 #23
RULE #1: VOTE! Ponietz Jun 2025 #25
Finding a way to cure I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #29
Yep. Allison Gill - Mueller, She Wrote - wrote a long piece about that last week: highplainsdem Jun 2025 #5
I hadn't read it, but I'm sure I've read lots like it over the years Susan Calvin Jun 2025 #7
We have the best government money can buy. multigraincracker Jun 2025 #6
Wealth & income disparity is at historically unsustainable levels. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2025 #8
I think of it as a ball of shit rolling down hill. Javaman Jun 2025 #9
Great analogy PatSeg Jun 2025 #10
personally, I think it goes back the Business plot in the early 1930's. Javaman Jun 2025 #12
That could be PatSeg Jun 2025 #15
Reagan, Murdoch & Ailes were a big part of the problem. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2025 #11
Tax Cuts are Tax Shifts Mr.Bee Jun 2025 #19
I agree 100%! Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2025 #27
It is to the point that one person, Musk, can elect Gongress. 3Hotdogs Jun 2025 #13
Sounds about right Rebl2 Jun 2025 #14
If anything, Project 2025 exposed Mr.Bee Jun 2025 #17
As Humans, we need to be able to do reverse engineering where needed Beringia Jun 2025 #18
Always bears repeating. In one word: classism. ananda Jun 2025 #20
And what did I just find in my inbox this morning? Susan Calvin Jun 2025 #21
Yes, he's a symptom. The orange bloviating buffon had lots of help. Martin Eden Jun 2025 #22
Reagan was the first drmeow Jun 2025 #24
I have had this markie Jun 2025 #26
One solution I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #28

mgardener

(2,275 posts)
1. I disagree.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 07:01 AM
Jun 2025

Trump is a problem because he has the ability to make things happen.
He may not be the only problem, but he IS a problem.
It is questionable if he has the authority, but it appears no one will stop him.

Ponietz

(4,226 posts)
3. The same story for a thousand years
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 07:56 AM
Jun 2025

Wealth inequality leads to serfdom.

Wat Tyler was killed in the Peasants’ Revolt in 1381 for demanding economic and social reforms.

We fought a Civil War, busted the robber barons, recovered from a Great Depression, and championed the civil rights movement to confront wealth inequality. And, yet, here we are again.

Abrogating the notion that corporations are people and money is speech is the single most important thing we can do to save ourselves.

defacto7

(14,159 posts)
16. True. The cycle theoretically goes back to Plato.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:10 AM
Jun 2025

Through trial and error the historical question becomes plainly clear. How do we prevent democracy from deteriorating into authoritarianism thus preserving freedom and human rights? I think it's possible. Our constitution took a pretty good stab at it, but the weakest link is the human factor: complacency, apathy and greed. We can overcome it, control it or continue the cycle until humanity can no longer sustain itself. Civilization in a nutshell.

Ponietz

(4,226 posts)
25. RULE #1: VOTE!
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 03:53 PM
Jun 2025

90 million ignorant, apathetic, and entitled people sat on their asses and couldn’t be bothered to fulfill their civic duty.

Susan Calvin

(2,392 posts)
7. I hadn't read it, but I'm sure I've read lots like it over the years
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:24 AM
Jun 2025

Enough that that was the first thing on my mind when I woke up today.

multigraincracker

(36,835 posts)
6. We have the best government money can buy.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:22 AM
Jun 2025

Money does not equal brains on morals. It equals power and power corrupts.

Javaman

(65,031 posts)
9. I think of it as a ball of shit rolling down hill.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:53 AM
Jun 2025

it started somewhere, unnoticed, but now it's picking up speed and getting bigger and bigger.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
10. Great analogy
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:56 AM
Jun 2025

I'm inclined to believe if it hadn't been Trump, eventually it would have been someone else.

Javaman

(65,031 posts)
12. personally, I think it goes back the Business plot in the early 1930's.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:02 AM
Jun 2025

that was the original seed. but that's just my feeling

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
15. That could be
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:09 AM
Jun 2025

I certainly think we've been headed in this direction for a long time.

Grumpy Old Guy

(4,178 posts)
11. Reagan, Murdoch & Ailes were a big part of the problem.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:57 AM
Jun 2025

Add to that Gingrich, McConnell, Rove and several others.

Mr.Bee

(1,600 posts)
19. Tax Cuts are Tax Shifts
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:23 AM
Jun 2025
Shift $50 trillion wealth from the Middle-Class to millionaires, making them billionaires.
Thanks Mr. Reagan, couldn't have done it without you.

3Hotdogs

(14,968 posts)
13. It is to the point that one person, Musk, can elect Gongress.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:06 AM
Jun 2025

He can donate a billion or two and sway elections

AND

He can tresthen reps with funding primaries.

Mr.Bee

(1,600 posts)
17. If anything, Project 2025 exposed
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:15 AM
Jun 2025

a cross-section of entitled selfish billionaires who do not want to contribute anything to this country.
They are not necessarily the same ones Reagan bestowed tax-cuts upon, but their offspring.
The nepo babies who have never worked a day in their lives and want to rule over the majority of us!
The don't want to pay taxes for it, so why should the country have it?

Beringia

(5,321 posts)
18. As Humans, we need to be able to do reverse engineering where needed
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:18 AM
Jun 2025

so technology and the attendant rise of billionaires does not guide the course of civilization. The little green blue globe is completely in our hands









ananda

(34,289 posts)
20. Always bears repeating. In one word: classism.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:49 AM
Jun 2025

And those rich and powerful people really have mastered
the divide and conquer methods to make oppressed people
want to either be oppressors, side with oppressors, or
both.

It sure worked on my whole Texas family. I would say it
worked for many years on everyone in the confederate
states and still does, and now it's even spread to the
working classes who used to be reliably blue.

And then they got ahold of the media and figured out
how to steal the vote.

And ever since we caved in 2000, it's led us to this sorry mess.

Susan Calvin

(2,392 posts)
21. And what did I just find in my inbox this morning?
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:06 AM
Jun 2025

Maybe it projected itself to my sleeping brain.

https://www.levernews.com/why-the-trump-protests-will-fail/?utm_source=newsletter-email&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=newsletter-article

"Why The Trump Protests Will Fail

The resistance won’t succeed until it stops being a performance and starts challenging the system that got us here."





Martin Eden

(15,305 posts)
22. Yes, he's a symptom. The orange bloviating buffon had lots of help.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jun 2025

The power of concentrated wealth and ignorant gullible voters is not a healthy mix for democracy.

drmeow

(5,891 posts)
24. Reagan was the first
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jun 2025

major success of the anti-FDR, anti-labor, pro-oligarch fascists whose desire to keep us from fighting the fascist in WWII was derailed by Pearl Harbor. Trump is just the Louis XVI culmination of that cabals rise to power. I'd be happy if he and that entire cabal ends the way Louis XVI ended!

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,325 posts)
28. One solution
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:09 AM
Jun 2025

Is to forbid people to get rich. 1 million a year and you are done.
Any profits after that goes to the general welfare.

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