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erronis

(22,599 posts)
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 02:59 PM Jun 2025

Why Would Trump Gut FEMA and NOAA? -- The American Prospect

https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2025-06-04-why-would-trump-gut-fema-and-noaa/
Robert Kuttner

Destroying American weather science will create a perfect storm of disaster.

Not perverse - just profiteering and destroying the country.

June 1 marked the beginning of hurricane season, a period whose existence was news to Trump’s head of FEMA, David Richardson, who had no prior experience managing disaster relief. Richardson was appointed to replace FEMA acting chief Cameron Hamilton, who was fired summarily after telling a congressional subcommittee that he didn’t think FEMA should be shut down.

Trump’s attack on FEMA goes beyond even the Project 2025 design, which proposed to cut FEMA and turn some of its functions over to the states. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said in March that she wanted FEMA shut down entirely (she later backpedaled and spoke of shrinking and reforming it). But most states have nothing like FEMA’s capacity or experience, and don’t want FEMA reduced or closed.

. . .

This is occurring as FEMA’s much-depleted sister agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), is predicting as many as 19 hurricanes this summer and fall, including three to five major ones likely to cause massive damage. To add injury to insult, Trump has rejected bipartisan requests to continue the Biden policy of covering 100 percent of the costs of relief and recovery operations after major disasters. The usual split is 75 percent federal, matched by 25 percent state.

. . .

Cutting funding for NOAA’s forecasting and research is perverse policy, but at least it has ideological logic. Having private companies sponge off of public expertise financed by taxpayers and claim superior “efficiency” is the standard Republican playbook.

As our colleague Gabrielle Gurley points out in this piece, companies like AccuWeather have nothing like NOAA’s in-depth expertise, and profit by packaging and selling what NOAA provides for free. At one point, AccuWeather was lobbying to prohibit NOAA from providing weather forecasts at no charge. And in Trump’s first term, he appointed the CEO of AccuWeather, Barry Myers, to head NOAA. But NOAA is such a valuable public good that it has survived basically intact—until Trump II.

FEMA is a whole other story. When the first major hurricane hits, and a depleted FEMA is not equal to the task, Trump will get the political blame—and most hurricane-prone areas are in red states. So the gutting of FEMA makes no political sense. But then, that describes most of Trump’s savaging of government’s valuable services.
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Why Would Trump Gut FEMA and NOAA? -- The American Prospect (Original Post) erronis Jun 2025 OP
Profiteering biophile Jun 2025 #1
They might want to privatize the weather Bluetus Jun 2025 #8
It will just mean that the understaffed NWS and National Hurricane Center staffs will be fired LiberalArkie Jun 2025 #17
Not just the duties. That is not how these crooks work. Bluetus Jun 2025 #18
Well it worked with the new Russia when they transitioned from the Soviet Union. Made a lot of oligarchs. LiberalArkie Jun 2025 #25
Yep. And this isn't a new game. Bluetus Jun 2025 #28
Revenge is top priority for Taco Supreme. forgotmylogin Jun 2025 #14
Not really, since Reagan the GOP has wanted to sell NWS and all the other NOAA departments LiberalArkie Jun 2025 #22
Everything *rump does is to weaken the United States questionseverything Jun 2025 #2
This is older than Trump. This is baseline Movement Conservative ideology JHB Jun 2025 #10
This is a GOOD thing: Chasstev365 Jun 2025 #3
Never assume they have a real strategy Bluetus Jun 2025 #9
Nope. Bad is bad. dchill Jun 2025 #27
Bushy jr tried to. You know the Weather Channel has it covered. Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #4
As always, headline hunting and showbiz. Not to mention obvious psychosis. Ping Tung Jun 2025 #5
Not just to transfer the money for billionaire tax-breaks but also to Baitball Blogger Jun 2025 #6
That may be even more of a rush for him than $$$. Having someone grovel. erronis Jun 2025 #7
YES, they are all sadistic humans vapor2 Jun 2025 #26
When the first hurricane hits . . . . AverageOldGuy Jun 2025 #11
Many have a piece of whats happening but not the "core" Nigrum Cattus Jun 2025 #12
Does someone really believe that mumbo-jumbo? Incantations and curses. erronis Jun 2025 #23
Putin Tetrachloride Jun 2025 #13
That's also part of it. The transfer of power and duties from a unified federal government to individual states. dameatball Jun 2025 #19
Appoint incompetent people and blame .gov (Biden) when failure accrues. BurnDoubt Jun 2025 #15
Death and destruction are trump's favorite words... he doesn't care where it happens or to whom. nt slightlv Jun 2025 #16
Lessee here, Codifer Jun 2025 #20
The problem with their strategy to assign to the States ... aggiesal Jun 2025 #21
You are over rationalizing. This isn't rational. This is Kleptocracy 101. GIMME! erronis Jun 2025 #24

Bluetus

(2,255 posts)
8. They might want to privatize the weather
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 04:24 PM
Jun 2025

But mainly this is just about chaos. They want to burn anything to the ground that they can. They'd love to destroy Medicaid, Medicare, and SSI, but those have a strong constituency.

Remember, this is an odd collection of criminals, gangsters, Nazis, and Christian crazies. And the Christian crazies are very well represented. These people abhor anything related to science because the periodic table of the elements did not appear in the King James Bible.

LiberalArkie

(19,247 posts)
17. It will just mean that the understaffed NWS and National Hurricane Center staffs will be fired
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:44 PM
Jun 2025

because "they can't do anything right" and the duties will be sent to Accuweather. Which is what Ronnie Raygun wanted to do when he was in power.

Bluetus

(2,255 posts)
18. Not just the duties. That is not how these crooks work.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:51 PM
Jun 2025

They want to destroy the public service, and then bribe congress people to award contracts to private companies to do the same thing at 10X the cost and 1/10th the quality.

LiberalArkie

(19,247 posts)
25. Well it worked with the new Russia when they transitioned from the Soviet Union. Made a lot of oligarchs.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:52 PM
Jun 2025

Bluetus

(2,255 posts)
28. Yep. And this isn't a new game.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:33 PM
Jun 2025

This has been going on continuously since Thatcher/Reagan. That is the game with Advantage, school vouchers, real medicate (for processing services, see Rick Scott's crimes), the USPS, everything. They are literally trying to dismantle every penny in the Federal budget, not to save taxpayers money, but to put that money under private companies with no oversight from anybody.

forgotmylogin

(7,940 posts)
14. Revenge is top priority for Taco Supreme.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jun 2025

He's mad at NOAA for the sharpie incident.
With FEMA he can't gerrymander funding to only help rich MAGA since weather destruction often affects more poor and "DEI" people he doesn't care about.

LiberalArkie

(19,247 posts)
22. Not really, since Reagan the GOP has wanted to sell NWS and all the other NOAA departments
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:16 PM
Jun 2025

It will just mean that the understaffed NWS and National Hurricane Center staffs will be fired because "they can't do anything right" and the duties will be sent to Accuweather. Which is what Ronnie Raygun wanted to do when he was in power.

JHB

(37,935 posts)
10. This is older than Trump. This is baseline Movement Conservative ideology
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 04:30 PM
Jun 2025

If a profit can be made, government shouldn't do it because it's stealing business from the free market.
If a profit can't be made, government shouldn't do it because it's a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Their ideal is a 19th century government.

Chasstev365

(7,063 posts)
3. This is a GOOD thing:
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 03:11 PM
Jun 2025

He's hurting his MAGA base.

Maybe these stupid mother fuckers will finally understand that Goebellsvision, aka Fox and the billionaire class are laughing at them.

Bluetus

(2,255 posts)
9. Never assume they have a real strategy
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 04:27 PM
Jun 2025

Clearly the P2025 people had a strategy, but that is just one faction of this cabal. The Christian crazies are the biggest part of this gang and they have no real strategy -- except Jesus and heaven.

Baitball Blogger

(51,657 posts)
6. Not just to transfer the money for billionaire tax-breaks but also to
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 03:18 PM
Jun 2025

create leverage. It forces the governors to beg for it.

erronis

(22,599 posts)
7. That may be even more of a rush for him than $$$. Having someone grovel.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 03:28 PM
Jun 2025

Poor widdle Donnie had his feelings hurt when he was 5 years old and still can't get over it.

AverageOldGuy

(3,303 posts)
11. When the first hurricane hits . . . .
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 04:31 PM
Jun 2025

. . . and the second, and third, and . . . And FEMA can’t respond, Trump will blame Biden and the MAGAts will agree.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,209 posts)
12. Many have a piece of whats happening but not the "core"
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 04:35 PM
Jun 2025

It's RWRE (right wing religious extremism)
Stop trying to figure it out
project 2025 spells it out in writing !
it's ALL there.
https://www.statementonchristiannationalism.com/

erronis

(22,599 posts)
23. Does someone really believe that mumbo-jumbo? Incantations and curses.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:18 PM
Jun 2025

I've been to some Southern Baptist and Pentacostal services. Lordy, lordy.

dameatball

(7,649 posts)
19. That's also part of it. The transfer of power and duties from a unified federal government to individual states.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:56 PM
Jun 2025

BurnDoubt

(1,411 posts)
15. Appoint incompetent people and blame .gov (Biden) when failure accrues.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:24 PM
Jun 2025

Why "government doesn't work".
He wouldn't hire any of these people to run his businesses. That's the tell.

slightlv

(7,435 posts)
16. Death and destruction are trump's favorite words... he doesn't care where it happens or to whom. nt
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:29 PM
Jun 2025

Codifer

(1,143 posts)
20. Lessee here,
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:06 PM
Jun 2025

widespread devastation and property damage with no funds to rebuild or restore?

Time to buy lots of real estate when prices are at bottom (and then can change things about so gumint will rebuild for the new owner).

But then, what the hell do I know?

aggiesal

(10,530 posts)
21. The problem with their strategy to assign to the States ...
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 06:11 PM
Jun 2025

Is that at the Federal level, they can draw the best & brightest to FEMA to help is any relief aid regardless of where it's needed.
At state level, 50 states will have to create a position to head their State equivalent of FEMA. Only 1 state could get the Head of Federal FEMA. Then when a disaster appears in their state, other state might help out, but then who pays for that help?
What happens when multiple disasters occur, how do they split the states help, split all the other states that might help.
Where is all the money coming from.

This just doesn't feel like this is a winning strategy.

Just thinking for a friend.

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