Just for the sake of argument

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Let's imagine that both trump and vance were kicked out of government because of a crooked election. That puts Mike Johnson in the seat.

Would he just follow what trump or vance wants, or does he have any ideas of his own? How could he hurt us, and what would it take to influence him our way?

[Silent Type]

1. We know what trump is like, I'd prefer Vance or Johnson just because don't think they can be worse than trump

and just don’t have hold over cult like trump.

Back to reality, there is virtually zero chance election will be overturned.

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3. Well, I tend to hold on

to even slim hopes. I am still wondering about the Montana gathering--surely it wasn't about natural resources--and why both Musk and Vance were there. I doubt that it was an attempt at reconciliation, unless Repubs are afraid of what musk knows and can prove. That could have been a "what will it take to shut you up" type of meeting. I think that it was pretty much some big deal if everyone at the facilities were required to sign NDAs (probably illegal.)

Trump wasn't there. Trump said he didn't care to speak to musk (art of the deal, LOL) and so I think that Vance had to step in. I think we can see how Vance will toe the line.

I am wondering if any Dems were there. If not, it must have been a "shut up" meeting. Musk probably has something else over trump. And since musk paid almost $300 million bucks to put trump in office, I doubt that it was a blind faith "here ya go" effort. musk has it traced probably for sure. Plus, if he used Starlink, he would know what they did.

In this day of constant fear, the margins for probability are shrinking. I think that this California stuff is more distraction. Trump and musk have eyes on them, and we need to dig more about the Montana meeting.

If musk spilled the beans, we could get trump and his gang. There is no precedent that says we couldn't throw them in jail this time, and sort it out later.

Why would musk have flown in to Montana, then flown out an hour later? Probably because he didn't hear what he wanted. Nothing to be gained here now. And, he leaves.

I would like to see the flight paths. Someone must have them. How many planes came in?

[Silent Type]

7. There are no beans to spill that will change anything. We lost.

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8. You don't know that.

Musk would know. You and I don't know. Everything is true until it's not. You have thrown in the towel of surrender when you can't yet see the blood. Something is afoot. Hold on!

[Silent Type]

9. You don't know either. We lost. Biden, Harris, and every other Democratic leader felt same.

All could have contested and we held the cards in an investigation.

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11. Oh, I believe I said I didn't know.

I also said that Musk would know. If he didn't know from his own actions, he could have found out and documented anything nefarious within his reach.

And simply because the Dems didn't contest doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It only means that they can't see it, or they feel it is a useless cause because of the numbers. But, this would be a different game.

If the Montana meeting was real, something big was up. Who went to that meeting? That was not over natural resources. It was something having to do with musk and the brovorce. Otherwise, musk would not even have known or been invited. Not unless it was prior planned. The whole thing was weird.

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2. "Let's imagine that both trump and vance were kicked out of government because of a crooked election."

The only mechanism for them getting "kicked out" is impeachment, and for that to happen, Democrats would have to hold 13 seats and win 19 new seats in the Senate and of course, win the House.

If that happens, I'll fall off the wagon and dance in the street...but, it ain't going to happen.

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4. Well, there's lots going on

Right now, Repubs are safe because trump has power and fear going on. But, if musk spilled the beans, you don't know who might see voting against trump as a viable defensive move. We have never done this before, never been there.

If trump were not the true President, how does impeachment apply here? Impeachment applies to a legitimately elected official who is dirty dealing. But, if you ain't the real President anyway, then I think it could be argued that impeachment doesn't apply. It's the same as an insurrectionist taking over. We arrest those guys.

[LudwigPastorius]

6. Trump was sworn in, he's the president regardless of any evidence of a bad election.

The federal laws against election fraud are enforced by...you guessed it...the president's hand picked Attorney General, who will not prosecute him.

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10. I don't know if fraud can ever

be the basis of any legitimate action. Statutes are tolled in the presence of fraud. His being sworn in doesn't mean anything.

[LudwigPastorius]

12. OK, I see I'm not getting anywhere with you.

Carry on with your imaginary scenario, and have a good night.

[IcyPeas]

5. He would just follow along w/Project 2025. Christian nationalism is what they want.

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13. There's no mechanism in the US for overturning Presidential elections

Once the Electoral College votes, Congress certifies it, and January 20th comes, that's it. Even if the election proven to be stolen, the most you can do is impeach and remove.

Sorry to be blunt, but holding out hope will only prolong your disappointment. The Trump Administration will be there till 1-20-2029. Even in 2028, let's not assume anything, and not make the mistake of underestimating Vance.

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15. I said before

that this would come down to armed conflict. Now, here in Cali, while the Orange POS deports anyone he wants, they are facing armed enforcers. 1st Amendment rights no longer count. This is what prolongs my disappointment, not a potential loss. If we think as you say, we would never stick up for ourselves. The problem is, we do not have time to wait this out.

If you think that we should give up dreams of a nonviolent resolution along with a win, then we are not on the same page. We are going to have to make a FIGHT of it, something I don't see happening right now. On June 14th, we will see what we've got. I am hoping that nonviolent assemblies prevail.

It does us no good at all to have the trope that we cannot get rid of Trump et al. We got rid of a powerful King, back in the day. We the People did that. They didn't flinch. Neither can we.

Our main problem may turn out to be the USSC. Since they seem to make their own law, maybe they'll just turn trump, et al. out to pasture.

Otherwise, we are looking at an armed conflict.

[Morbius]

14. As others have posted, Trump & Vance would have to be impeached to be removed from office.

As long as they're alive, Mike Johnson will not be more than Speaker. The order of succession is there just in case something happens to Trump and Vance, so that someone is President.

I don't know if Johnson has ideas of his own, but I am absolutely sure he doesn't have the cojones to stand up to anyone. He's a pushover. He'd be a puppet President, no doubt about it.