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AZProgressive

(29,805 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:10 AM Jun 2025

'Extremely disturbing and unethical': new rules allow VA doctors to refuse to treat Democrats, unmarried veterans

Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.

The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.

(snip)

Doctors and other medical staff can also be barred from working at VA hospitals based on their marital status, political party affiliation or union activity, documents reviewed by the Guardian show. The changes also affect chiropractors, certified nurse practitioners, optometrists, podiatrists, licensed clinical social workers and speech therapists.

In making the changes, VA officials cite the president’s 30 January executive order titled “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government”. The primary purpose of the executive order was to strip most government protections from transgender people. The VA has since ceased providing most gender-affirming care and forbidden a long list of words, including “gender affirming” and “transgender”, from clinical settings.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/16/va-doctors-refuse-treat-patients

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'Extremely disturbing and unethical': new rules allow VA doctors to refuse to treat Democrats, unmarried veterans (Original Post) AZProgressive Jun 2025 OP
Unconstitutional................ Lovie777 Jun 2025 #1
Pure Nazism is more like it. hadEnuf Jun 2025 #16
This is how it starts... Fil1957 Jun 2025 #35
Granted. But will it matter if deemed unconstitutional? paleotn Jun 2025 #19
This is the start of GENOCIDE. AZ8theist Jun 2025 #55
Is there some rationale behind this? Unmarried? Iris Jun 2025 #2
For some reason they're using that executive order AZProgressive Jun 2025 #5
Targetted at same sex marriages, I think. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2025 #12
Oh - yes. I forgot - military is back to don't ask don't tell Iris Jun 2025 #47
Theocracy. Burn the witches -- i.e. the nonconformists Hekate Jun 2025 #21
I don't know why the blatantness if it stuns me Iris Jun 2025 #48
Oaths mean nothing rzemanfl Jun 2025 #3
What kind of doctor would follow such a fucking rule as this Magoo48 Jun 2025 #18
None that would get a chance to treat this former USAF medic. I cannot imagine ANY doctor I served with following..... usaf-vet Jun 2025 #26
Good to hear. Magoo48 Jun 2025 #39
imagine medics doing this Skittles Jun 2025 #51
There are some that have more of a religious calling than a medical one. haele Jun 2025 #45
Had to read this a couple times to make sure it's not satire. enough Jun 2025 #4
It's not satire. It's real. James48 Jun 2025 #7
I first thought was from The Onion. The most despicable government we've ever had to live through. OverBurn Jun 2025 #41
Please let this be bad satire. WestMichRad Jun 2025 #6
This is of course insane and we live in insane times because the GOP is insane and evil LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #8
VA can now also deny care to veterans who are shorter than average Kaleva Jun 2025 #9
Did a quick search. Only The Guardian is reporting this so far. highplainsdem Jun 2025 #10
G.O.P. continues to disgrace itself: unAmerican and anti-Christian BoRaGard Jun 2025 #11
Here's the change: William Seger Jun 2025 #13
So are Veterans now free to demand Seinan Sensei Jun 2025 #59
Not only is no other news outlet reporting this, but The Guardian's account on Bluesky has no posts highplainsdem Jun 2025 #14
It could be an exclusive AZProgressive Jun 2025 #15
Look at post # 13 questionseverything Jun 2025 #43
Post 13 is simply another two paragraphs from the same Guardian article. But some other outlets have highplainsdem Jun 2025 #44
doesn't this mean they can also refuse to treat MAGAs? mainer Jun 2025 #17
Based on trumplaw! EO number what the fuck! mountain grammy Jun 2025 #20
dystopian. barbtries Jun 2025 #22
If true, it's blatantly unconstitutional. Wonder what else is in it? ms liberty Jun 2025 #23
As soon as they refuse someone treatment the Courts will stop that shit. marble falls Jun 2025 #24
Sick ffr Jun 2025 #25
This - just 2-days after a massive celebration of - the military Grins Jun 2025 #27
Ongoing five-alarm fire. enigmania Jun 2025 #28
Can now discriminate against blacks, whites, women, Jews by using these other excuses. Norrrm Jun 2025 #29
"I'm sorry, we can't admit you. It says here you voted Democrat in the last election." NBachers Jun 2025 #30
They can also deny care to those who are left handed Kaleva Jun 2025 #36
Yep. And now Doge has all our info. bamagal62 Jun 2025 #52
I want a tax break perdita9 Jun 2025 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Cherokee100 Jun 2025 #32
What comes next Cherokee100 Jun 2025 #33
Not enough Kali999 Jun 2025 #34
Under these new rules, Republicans can be denied care. Kaleva Jun 2025 #37
It would serve them right, but Dem/leftists doctors have integrity & value their oath as medical professionals. SunImp Jun 2025 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Jun 2025 #38
Can someone wake me u when this nightmare is over? bif Jun 2025 #40
I can see the sign on the door, ... YoshidaYui Jun 2025 #42
Just a thought vankuria Jun 2025 #46
Feel free to openly boycott doctors who are boycotting others. Shame - embarrass - open resistance. HIDE NOTHING!!!!! SupportSanity Jun 2025 #49
Wth?! Hopefully this will not happen. electric_blue68 Jun 2025 #50
This is insane!! Pisces Jun 2025 #53
it will be undone. EVENTUALLY. i swear they will have him in a straightjacket by next year. pansypoo53219 Jun 2025 #56
I just KNOW Mike Lee thinks this is perfectly hilarious. dchill Jun 2025 #57
Ah, yes and Larry the disabled veteran voted for Trump.. Permanut Jun 2025 #58

hadEnuf

(3,492 posts)
16. Pure Nazism is more like it.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:14 AM
Jun 2025

Will Democrats need to wear badges identifying themselves as such soon?

Put NOTHING past this administration. Pay attention to everything they do, even if it is little moves to chip away at the stone.

They are avowed racists, fascists, White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.

paleotn

(21,329 posts)
19. Granted. But will it matter if deemed unconstitutional?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:28 AM
Jun 2025

They may simply ignore the courts. Want treatment? Well, you’ll have to sue us first and even then it may not matter

This has Xitian nationalists finger prints all over it. Welcome to Gilead.

AZ8theist

(7,024 posts)
55. This is the start of GENOCIDE.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 09:40 PM
Jun 2025

Genocide of anyone who does not lick the feet of Dear Leader.

Iris

(16,813 posts)
2. Is there some rationale behind this? Unmarried?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:20 AM
Jun 2025

And how would they know they are Democrats?

This is absurd.

Edited: I see the sentence now about how this is targeted at transgender people. As if there are no R trans people and they are all somehow unmarried??

AZProgressive

(29,805 posts)
5. For some reason they're using that executive order
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:35 AM
Jun 2025

To remove the requirement to treat veterans regardless of their politics or marital status though not sure why.

I probably should have included different excerpts but I wanted to get in there the paragraph that this all started with Trump claiming to "defend" women because I thought that was absurd.

Magoo48

(6,686 posts)
18. What kind of doctor would follow such a fucking rule as this
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:21 AM
Jun 2025

It’s time for government officials, as well as anyone else touched by this mad man’s nonsense, to simply ignore SOB..

usaf-vet

(7,736 posts)
26. None that would get a chance to treat this former USAF medic. I cannot imagine ANY doctor I served with following.....
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 09:16 AM
Jun 2025

.... this if they honor their first oath, FIRST DO NO HARM!

haele

(14,973 posts)
45. There are some that have more of a religious calling than a medical one.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:59 PM
Jun 2025

It's especially prevalent in nursing (maybe because there's more nurses than doctors?), but some folks have "the calling to service God" above the calling to a particular type of service.
And those folks are the psychopaths who feel the need to categorize their patients into deserving and undeserving of mercy, understanding or help in general.

enough

(13,679 posts)
4. Had to read this a couple times to make sure it's not satire.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:28 AM
Jun 2025

Even SCOTUS can’t agree with this…… or could they?

James48

(5,069 posts)
7. It's not satire. It's real.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:50 AM
Jun 2025

And probably would pass Supreme Court muster with this Supreme Court.

It’s morally repugnant.

Typical of the Trump administration. They are so full of hate.

OverBurn

(1,287 posts)
41. I first thought was from The Onion. The most despicable government we've ever had to live through.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:01 PM
Jun 2025

I've got to be able to turn this around in future elections, right? right?

Kaleva

(40,106 posts)
9. VA can now also deny care to veterans who are shorter than average
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:09 AM
Jun 2025

Or those who have red hair.

William Seger

(12,120 posts)
13. Here's the change:
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:48 AM
Jun 2025
Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex, and all veterans remain entitled to treatment. But individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law.

Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.

Seinan Sensei

(1,293 posts)
59. So are Veterans now free to demand
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:33 AM
Jun 2025

… that their care-providers are married Republicans?
Who sre Heterosexual?
And White?
And Baptist?

highplainsdem

(59,330 posts)
14. Not only is no other news outlet reporting this, but The Guardian's account on Bluesky has no posts
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:04 AM
Jun 2025

linking to this story. I think they might've been pranked.

AZProgressive

(29,805 posts)
15. It could be an exclusive
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:12 AM
Jun 2025

It says they obtained the new rules and they contacted VA Press Secretary Peter Kasperowicz who confirmed the changes but said they were a formality to comply with Trump's executive order.

I found this story on Bluesky but can't remember what account I found it from. It was posted pretty early, I woke up about 4am AZ time.

I would love the story to be false but hopefully it doesn't change things too much when it comes to the quality of care veterans receive. The US MSM especially the news channels don't report many negative things about Trump which is why I think he won in 2024. They seem to hold Democrats to higher standards than Republicans especially when it comes to Trump.

highplainsdem

(59,330 posts)
44. Post 13 is simply another two paragraphs from the same Guardian article. But some other outlets have
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:52 PM
Jun 2025

reported on this since I posted my earlier reply, when only the Guardian had the story.

mainer

(12,475 posts)
17. doesn't this mean they can also refuse to treat MAGAs?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:19 AM
Jun 2025

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Grins

(9,190 posts)
27. This - just 2-days after a massive celebration of - the military
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 09:20 AM
Jun 2025

Every day - a new horror.

Norrrm

(3,732 posts)
29. Can now discriminate against blacks, whites, women, Jews by using these other excuses.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jun 2025

"Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex,..."

Can claim it's because the __________ has certain beliefs.

perdita9

(1,316 posts)
31. I want a tax break
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 09:38 AM
Jun 2025

If I'm going to be denied services I shouldn't have to pay the same rate as a Republican

Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

SunImp

(2,604 posts)
54. It would serve them right, but Dem/leftists doctors have integrity & value their oath as medical professionals.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 09:03 PM
Jun 2025

Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

YoshidaYui

(44,838 posts)
42. I can see the sign on the door, ...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:25 PM
Jun 2025

No Dogs NoSingles No Democrats No Minorities No Gays No Women allowed ONLY Rich Republican Males with high sperm counts only!! Balls checked at the door!!

vankuria

(963 posts)
46. Just a thought
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jun 2025

This maybe a deliberate way of disabling the entire VA, I mean what kind of dr’s would agree to such nonsense? Dr’s and other professionals will leave in droves and they won’t be replaced.

SupportSanity

(1,561 posts)
49. Feel free to openly boycott doctors who are boycotting others. Shame - embarrass - open resistance. HIDE NOTHING!!!!!
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:21 PM
Jun 2025

They only get away with it if nobody reacts to THIS insanity.

It's a shame that we have to do this, but here we are.

Permanut

(7,863 posts)
58. Ah, yes and Larry the disabled veteran voted for Trump..
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 10:56 PM
Jun 2025

Met him at a veterans' breakfast last November, just after the election.

He said he didn't like Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, so he voted for Trump.

Haven't seen him since; I wonder if he still believes Trump was the best choice.

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