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Miles Archer

(21,896 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:26 PM Jun 2025

How the HELL is this LEGAL? Sean Duffy to withhold transportation funds from cities with anti-ICE protests

Sean Duffy to withhold transportation funds from cities with anti-ICE protests

https://www.rawstory.com/sean-duffy-withhold-dot-funding/

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said Monday his department would withhold funding from cities where anti-ICE demonstrations were allowed to take place.

In a Monday post on X, Duffy responded to President Donald Trump's call for ICE agents to target cities led by Democrats.

"The @USDOT will NOT fund rogue state actors who refuse to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement," Duffy wrote. "And to cities that stand by while rioters destroy transportation infrastructure — don't expect a red cent from DOT, either. Follow the law, or forfeit the funding."

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How the HELL is this LEGAL? Sean Duffy to withhold transportation funds from cities with anti-ICE protests (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2025 OP
California needs to withhold ALL federal taxes. Tootbsb Jun 2025 #1
How would that work? lame54 Jun 2025 #12
Exactly how it works when they say we don't get funding congress has already voted to allocate. Tootbsb Jun 2025 #18
???... lame54 Jun 2025 #39
It wouldn't DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2025 #32
That would be incredibly dumb. Individuals and businesses who had their taxes intercepted and seized by California tritsofme Jun 2025 #20
I have been wondering the same thing Wifes husband Jun 2025 #28
Exactly, this is just a silly slogan spread by people who are ignorant. tritsofme Jun 2025 #37
I believe it was H.L. Mencken who said: Wifes husband Jun 2025 #38
If my governor stole taxes withheld by my employer instead of sending it to the US Treasury, there would be hell to pay MichMan Jun 2025 #34
Everything is "legal" when the criminals and the law enforcement are the same people. Midnight Writer Jun 2025 #2
Were they paying attention on Saturday?? C_U_L8R Jun 2025 #3
Exactly - any excuse to not part with "their" money lame54 Jun 2025 #13
Money is free speech ruled SCOTUS bucolic_frolic Jun 2025 #4
Money has more rights than humans. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #6
No protests will be tolerated by the dictatorship. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #5
No, not legal. As long as the Republican congressman are cowering in the corner, they'll get away with it Walleye Jun 2025 #7
I think SCOTUS would have a hard time with this one newdeal2 Jun 2025 #11
And there are liberals in all 50 States BOSSHOG Jun 2025 #23
Cascades is looking better all the time. nolabear Jun 2025 #8
That would include airports. Sean can make them safe only by shutting them down. Norrrm Jun 2025 #9
There was only one city I noticed where transportation infrastructure was destroyed... haele Jun 2025 #10
Democrats & Republicans serbbral Jun 2025 #14
Intolerable Act JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #15
I'd rather withhold Sean Duffy from his position. He doesn't belong there. Initech Jun 2025 #16
Brilliant! Force the commuters to walk to work and while you're at it, put Whites Only seats on the buses. Ping Tung Jun 2025 #17
It will be raining lawsuits on his head. Stop calling this the sinkingfeeling Jun 2025 #19
In what cities did rioters damage or destroy transportation infrastructure? WestMichRad Jun 2025 #21
The No Kings protests were not just about ICE but the media framed it that way. live love laugh Jun 2025 #22
No Kings was No Kings Hope22 Jun 2025 #27
"All blue cities, Democrat-run cities. And they think they're going to use them to vote. It's not gonna happen," progree Jun 2025 #24
Hmmm. Will have to see how this plays out MichMan Jun 2025 #25
It isn't legal, Sean Duffy needs to be fired and he can eat a bag of shit. Initech Jun 2025 #26
It's 2025 - explain why it has to be legal? dchill Jun 2025 #29
Divert all state funding from red counties Johonny Jun 2025 #30
A blatant attack on freedom of speech, right to assemble, & extortion, just to begin with... NotHardly Jun 2025 #31
Yo Duff-Trump mkp Jun 2025 #33
It will make a hell of a court case because moniss Jun 2025 #35
Every city had protesters. Even small towns leftyladyfrommo Jun 2025 #36
 

Tootbsb

(142 posts)
18. Exactly how it works when they say we don't get funding congress has already voted to allocate.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 03:22 PM
Jun 2025

lame54

(39,230 posts)
39. ???...
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 03:29 PM
Jun 2025

I pay my federal taxes directly to the federal government
California never has access to it
So, again
How would that work?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,469 posts)
32. It wouldn't
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jun 2025

States do not collect taxes and send it to the Feds. Taxpayers and businesses send their taxes directly to the Feds. The States have no hand in it.

tritsofme

(19,813 posts)
20. That would be incredibly dumb. Individuals and businesses who had their taxes intercepted and seized by California
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 03:27 PM
Jun 2025

would still owe the feds what they owe, plus interest and penalties.

Wifes husband

(698 posts)
28. I have been wondering the same thing
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:12 PM
Jun 2025

It is easy to say that California should refuse to send money to the federal government, but what funds does the government of California send to the federal government?
Only money I know of comes from individuals.

Wifes husband

(698 posts)
38. I believe it was H.L. Mencken who said:
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:46 PM
Jun 2025

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

MichMan

(16,699 posts)
34. If my governor stole taxes withheld by my employer instead of sending it to the US Treasury, there would be hell to pay
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 05:30 PM
Jun 2025

C_U_L8R

(48,952 posts)
3. Were they paying attention on Saturday??
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:31 PM
Jun 2025

There is not a place in this country where they won't find anti-ICE beliefs.

bucolic_frolic

(54,155 posts)
4. Money is free speech ruled SCOTUS
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:31 PM
Jun 2025

Anti-money is anti-free speech.

Anti-free speech is anti-1A.

Anti-1A is unConstitutional.

Walleye

(43,891 posts)
7. No, not legal. As long as the Republican congressman are cowering in the corner, they'll get away with it
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:39 PM
Jun 2025

newdeal2

(4,848 posts)
11. I think SCOTUS would have a hard time with this one
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:17 PM
Jun 2025

They naturally want to punish liberals. But they also know there were protests in 50 states so you cannot just punish blue states by that logic.

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
23. And there are liberals in all 50 States
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:00 PM
Jun 2025

Hate is the fuel that powers the Republican Party. Hate is the result of willful ignorance.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
8. Cascades is looking better all the time.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:44 PM
Jun 2025

We on the West Coast control a HUGE amount of the economy and are about as sanctuary as it gets. Here in Seattle we’ve got vocal legislators so are an even bigger target than some.

GOD I hate these assholes.

haele

(15,113 posts)
10. There was only one city I noticed where transportation infrastructure was destroyed...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:11 PM
Jun 2025

And that was along the "parade route" in DC.
Tanks on asphalt and cement...there were cracks in the road forming afterwards.
And with the heavy rains this weekend in DC? Pothole city.

serbbral

(333 posts)
14. Democrats & Republicans
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:31 PM
Jun 2025

They really don't get it. These protests were not just Dems. Since these protests have taken place, I have heard more than once how many on the right want to spin this as liberals/dems have protested. From what I've read there were many who voted for Trump out there also, not only dems/liberals.

Initech

(107,594 posts)
16. I'd rather withhold Sean Duffy from his position. He doesn't belong there.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:39 PM
Jun 2025

Fuck you Sean Duffy!!!

Ping Tung

(4,151 posts)
17. Brilliant! Force the commuters to walk to work and while you're at it, put Whites Only seats on the buses.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:48 PM
Jun 2025

sinkingfeeling

(57,320 posts)
19. It will be raining lawsuits on his head. Stop calling this the
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 03:24 PM
Jun 2025

United States. The Confederate States is closer under the MAGA regime.

WestMichRad

(2,964 posts)
21. In what cities did rioters damage or destroy transportation infrastructure?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jun 2025

Ummm… precisely none?

Go eff yourself, Duffwad.

live love laugh

(16,210 posts)
22. The No Kings protests were not just about ICE but the media framed it that way.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 03:52 PM
Jun 2025

So are they trying to withhold funds from every city?

The first amendment attacks have to be challenged.

progree

(12,752 posts)
24. "All blue cities, Democrat-run cities. And they think they're going to use them to vote. It's not gonna happen,"
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:01 PM
Jun 2025
Speaking at the G7 on Monday, Trump doubled down on his threat.

"Most of those people are in the cities. All blue cities, Democrat-run cities. And they think they're going to use them to vote. It's not gonna happen," he said.


Huh? Who is "they"? and blue cities aren't going to be allowed to vote, or what?

MichMan

(16,699 posts)
25. Hmmm. Will have to see how this plays out
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:04 PM
Jun 2025

States that didn't change their speed limits to 55 or change the drinking age to 21 were threatened with losing Federal transportation funds. As I recall, the Feds prevailed in court and the states caved.

Initech

(107,594 posts)
26. It isn't legal, Sean Duffy needs to be fired and he can eat a bag of shit.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:04 PM
Jun 2025

Also fuck both his current employer and his former employer!

dchill

(42,660 posts)
29. It's 2025 - explain why it has to be legal?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:18 PM
Jun 2025

Duffy shouldn't legally be in the administration. I know it's not illegal, but it should be.

Johonny

(25,554 posts)
30. Divert all state funding from red counties
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:19 PM
Jun 2025

To cover federal funding short falls. Make the GOP reps explain why they are screwing their own people. Fuck the people that voted for this.

NotHardly

(2,656 posts)
31. A blatant attack on freedom of speech, right to assemble, & extortion, just to begin with...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:22 PM
Jun 2025

mkp

(22 posts)
33. Yo Duff-Trump
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 04:51 PM
Jun 2025

Fuck You. And shove your ideas up your ass. And if you don't like my free speech, fuck you too. Just who's money is it anyway? It is our money... how about I start withholding any funds from those I don't like.
You're gonna be up shit creek if we all do it, Duffy Dumb Ass. Without our money, we won't need you either, maybe you should start looking for a new line of work (both of you) because you damn sure aren't too good at being a government worker.
I wouldn't hire you if you worked in Trump's Administration... you might wanna leave that off your resume.

moniss

(8,781 posts)
35. It will make a hell of a court case because
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 05:35 PM
Jun 2025

it touches on the laws regarding Impoundment, Bill of Attainder (in some sense) and denial of due process. Typically Federal funds to the states from various agencies are governed by program rules. In other words the Federal DOT doesn't just transfer one big chunk of money to a state DOT encompassing the entire amount of spending. There will be various programs, projects etc. and they will each proceed under various subsections within the two main bodies. These programs all have specific areas of activities and these are written out and described in departmental regulations and sometimes by the state legislatures specifically for some things. How funding is done, program administration and project approval are all the kinds of things everybody gets down on paper so that this isn't just some Wild West run thing where anything goes.

In those regulations etc. will also usually be language about what can constitute a "review" of funding and how it can proceed. The reason being is if you didn't have it then funding could be yanked around on a whim by any administrator for any reason. An example would be a Federal administrator wanted his brother-in-law to be given a no-bid contract for some portion of work on a road construction project. The state DOT refused and so now the guy from the Feds tries to yank all of the funding for this project. If things like that were allowed it would be petty chaos all across the nation.

So Duffy might think he can, and the Feds could unless the courts stop them, but getting into that battle with states is a quagmire since there are plenty of Federal projects that require coordination with the states and getting along.

So to sum it up in order to pull funding for projects you usually have to go through a review process where some sort of misconduct on the project is alleged like overspending, unauthorized changes etc. or the need for the project has changed etc. and then a decision is made. It does not include things completely unrelated to the project such as you didn't hire my cousin or "we don't like that your city council voted to allow food trucks" etc.

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