The elephant in the room on MSNBC.

[La Coliniere]

Watching now, Michael Steele, Simone Sanders, Eddie Glaude, Conner Lamb, and Alicia Menendez were discussing what is “wrong” with American society and pondering what is the true cause of the alarming increase in political violence, what is wrong with the American character. They discuss this as if it’s a disease that has infected the entirety of our society. WTF! Why can’t they just tell the truth and outright identity the catalyst: it’s the goddamn Republican party and their cult like obedience to their cruel, corrupt, immoral crime boss and his ignorant ideas, racist world view and penchant for and advocacy of political violence, both in his rhetoric and political solutions. They tangentially address this reality, but have a difficult time being blunt. Thinking Maddow won’t be so cautious in her reporting of the weekend’s events.

[vrguy]

1. Their corporate overload

Won't allow them to do so, or they will get JoyReided.

[La Coliniere]

2. You nailed it.

[Chipper Chat]

31. You can tell Michael Steele is very frustrated.

He is screaming inside to say what's on his mind but can't.
MSNBC's panels are so bland anymore I sometimes go to Forensic Files or MeTV.

[Skittles]

3. or Terry Moraned

yes indeed

[La Coliniere]

4. or Dan Rathered...back in the day

[Skittles]

5. yup

he was drummed out, indeed

[markodochartaigh]

44. Or

Phil Donahue'd

[ShazzieB]

10. But Lawrence O'Donnell flays Trump to ribbons every night on his show!

He has shown Trump and his minions absolutely no mercy. Why would the "corporate overlord" give him a special exemption?

I can't help wondering if there is some other reason why some people on MSNBC are skirting certain issues. I dont know what it is, but could blaiming it on some "corporate overlord" be letting Steele and Co. off the hook too easily? Just a thought...

[tulipsandroses]

13. Well when you are given the spot of someone they drove out who was critical of trump, I doubt a new show wants to take

that risk. I think trump is genuinely afraid of Lawrence. He threatened to sue him before and backed off.


Rosie isn't the only O'Donnell Trump has had in his crosshairs. Last year, he quarreled with MSNBC's The Last Word anchor Lawrence O'Donnell, who criticized Trump's presidential candidacy and his "birtherism." On October 26, @realDonaldTrump tweeted: "I heard, because his show is unwatchable, that @Lawrence has made many false statements last night about me. Maybe I should sue him?"

O'Donnell responded on the air: "Donald Trump is never going to sue me for two with reasons. First, he knows he could never prove that a single thing I've said about him is untrue. And second, and this is by far the most important one, Donald Trump will never sue me because I know his big secret, his biggest secret and he knows that I know it. Donald Trump cannot afford to sue me. And he knows it."

We're still waiting to find out that secret. Trump hasn't sued.

https://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/news/1206/gallery.donald-trump-lawsuits.fortune/6.html

[PatSeg]

23. Wouldn't it be funny if

O'Donnell didn't really know a "secret", but figures Trump believes that he does?

[tulipsandroses]

24. Yeah. I think if Lawrence knew anything of consequence that might affect his presidency, he would have reported it.

Maybe Lawrence moves in some circles that may be familiar with trump, and trump worries that they may have told him something? Either way, he seems to be the one person that trump does not go after routinely. He's still wants the late night comedians fired but doesn't have much to say about Lawrence.

[PatSeg]

32. Oh, that could be

Whatever it is, I love that it is probably weighing on Trump. I especially love Lawrence's calm, knowing little smile as he puts Trump in his place.

[blubunyip]

38. Ha

[ShazzieB]

46. Very interesting!

I'm not at all surprised that Lawrence is on Schlump's sh!t list. I'd actually be very surprised is he wasn't!

I love the idea that he's got some big secret that he can hang over Schlump's head like that. It could help explain why Lawrence is SO outspoken in his criticism of the Orange one.

[moonscape]

47. Well, Lawrence's contract is up soon and

he wanted a Maddow deal. That wasn’t going to happen and he can afford to be fearless, and principled. Might well not want to go with the spin-off. Wallace? She has her new podcast. The outspoken ones have other irons in the fire.

[Bluetus]

11. Amd none of them have an ounce of integrity

I guess they have grown accustomed to those big paychecks.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

48. I couldn't disagree with you more

Who would have integrity if not these three?

[Bluetus]

49. In my book, integrity means being willing to walk away

from a cushy job when you are not allowed to speak the truth and do what is morally and ethically right. The fact acting with integrity would cost them millions of dollars, compared to some of us who might be giving up much less by taking a stand, is irrelevant.

For those to whom much has been given, much is expected.

It is doubly bad when they carry on like "Gee whiz, I don't know, maybe there is something a little wrong with what's going on. Maybe?" But they do it because saying anything more honest results in a swift exit from Comcast.

That's where the integrity question is answered. And don't get me wrong. The people still at CNN, WashPo, NYT et al have even less personal integrity. But they cast themselves as heroes trying to carry on the good fight with their voices crushed to a mere whisper.

These people are not going to help us. Ironically, they have been among the greatest enablers of Trump by continuing to show up day after day and only speak the 5% of the truth that is allowed by Comcast.

Maddow took a "pay cut" to $25M
Scarborough makes $5M+
Ruhle > $2M
Wallace > $2M
Holt $10M
Todd $4M
Kornacki > $2M

This is the going price for Comcast to get people to toe the line. As the old saying goes, "We have already determined what you are. Now we are just negotiating the price."

[Magoo48]

6. Corporate media.

Manipulated, censored, withheld, and embellished by the morbidly wealthy, who own it all.

[BComplex]

12. Boggles the mind how so many people cannot see that!!! Que bono?

The wealthy owners of the media companies, and the right wingers, like themselves, that they promote through the ranks, have destroyed our democracy.

[maxsolomon]

20. More the Right Wing Noise Machine

The interconnected propaganda network of TV, Radio, and online content that brainwashes American dipshits is relentless and has almost no competition.

"Corporate Media" is for old people.

[Magoo48]

21. I'm an old people. I gave up corporate media 15 years ago.

There are reliable alternatives out there; engage a bit of research and suitable sources appear.

[maxsolomon]

22. Not my point.

My point is that RW Propaganda is more responsible for America's embrace of cruelty than "Corporate Media", which has a shrinking influence and an aging audience.

I knew how to find alternative news sources when I was 15, but millions and millions of American dipshits don't, or are too lazy to try. My 89 year old father has never listened to NPR. Fox and Sinclair and WLW.

[ancianita]

7. Not all of MSNBC. Just usually on that show: they come up with a too-broad, inaccurate narrative about the country.

That's what they got wrong this time. And it wasn't their first time. Sure, we've accurately said that MSNBC has a corporate bias. But it's generally agreed that its prime time shows are not that.
But The Weeknight, so far, gets the meaning of what's happening on the ground wrong too often.
They've got that campaign(Sanders) and Republican (Steele) mindset that interferes with their reading of reality, imo.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

8. Did they even mention Gabby Giffords and Palen's target practice?

That primed the hate pump of the gun loving radicals.

[BigmanPigman]

14. MSNBC is almost CNN lite

Over the last 2-3 years. I do not watch either anymore and I unsubscribed to the WAPO and NYTimes as well.

The MSM is OWNED by greedy, unAmerican, corporate traitors who have their lips attached to tRump's ass. We had over 11 million protesters on June 14th. The MSM reports "tens of thousands" if they report on it at all. The only two reports I saw were when violence was involved. That says it all!

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. Ironic

Since Eddie Glaude is one of the things wrong with America. An elitist who encouraged people not to vote for Hillary Clinton.

[rzemanfl]

16. "...Maddow won't be so cautious....."

Probably the biggest understatement I have seen in two decades on this board.

[generalbetrayus]

25. Maddow has been ON FIRE since returning to MSNBC this year.

[rzemanfl]

26. Last night was one for the ages. n/t

[generalbetrayus]

28. Agreed! The week before I thought she was going to burst through my TV screen as upset as she was on air.

[returnee]

17. The character of the majority of Americans...

…is just fine. It’s the MAGA 30% that are just plain sociopathic or delusional.

[Jit423]

18. It has been said many times in many places but totally ignored everywhere, especially at the ballot box.

Maybe it is finally catching on?

[Tesha]

19. A simple google will answer their question

Calling journalists the "enemy of the people": Donald Trump uses this phrase - often But that’s just the beginning

“We analyzed 9 years of Trump political speeches, and his violent rhetoric has increased dramatically“

https://theconversation.com/we-analyzed-9-years-of-trump-political-speeches-and-his-violent-rhetoric-has-increased-dramatically-238962#:~:text=From%20Trump's%20first%20campaign%20in,of%20confronting%20these%20perceived%20threats.&text=Your%20browser%20can't%20play%20this%20video.&text=An%20error%20occurred.,his%20handling%20of%20classified%20documents.

[gfarber]

27. The Black Hole

On MSNBC they opine,
'Bout the state of our steep decline.
But they dodge what's plain:
The GOP's bane—
A cult led by hate they won't sign.

They ask what's gone wrong in the land,
While truth sits right there, close at hand.
It’s not some vague curse—
It’s Trump, and what's worse,
The GOP cheers on his stand.

They wring hands on cable all night,
Yet won't name the source of the blight.
It's Trump and his crew—
Corrupt through and through—
Spreading violence they frame as "the right."

They ponder what’s rotting our soul,
While skirting the heart of the toll.
It’s Trump’s vicious cult—
Yet they mute the result,
Too scared to just name the black hole.

[Deuxcents]

29. I watch MSNBC because I have cable and there are quite a few personalities that are not afraid to speak out

Lawrence O, Rachael, Velshi, Rev Al, Ayman and a couple others. They have guests that are qualified in the subject and not a bunch of talking heads trying to predict the future.

[Mike Nelson]

30. The Weeknight?

... liked them separately, but the The Weeknight show is awful. It has the worst title of all news shows. I'd propose they change it to The Tuesday, The Wednesday, The Thursday, etc.... but it won't help.

[Erda]

33. I agree that Trump and the Republican Party

Are the immediate catalyst for the violence and hatred rampant in the country right now, but there is an underbelly of hatred and sense of superiority and privilege that, when poked, will rise up in fury. This underbelly justified the slave trade, the extermination of Native Americans, the exploitation of Asians, the seizing of land. Trump has poked it. The oligarchs have exploited it. Main Stream Media has brainwashed it. Ever since Barack Obama became the first black president, the underbelly has been angry. Now it is outraged. It is recognizing it has been lied to and deceived. And, that it will soon be outnumbered.

[live love laugh]

34. Because those discussions are among people paid not to tell or investigate or report facts and truth.

Why can’t they just tell the truth and outright identity the catalyst: it’s the goddamn Republican party and their cult like obedience to their cruel, corrupt, immoral crime boss and his ignorant ideas, racist world view and penchant for and advocacy of political violence, both in his rhetoric and political solutions

[ZDU]

35. If...

If we could "harness and sell" the power of American denial.... riches!

[Grins]

39. My turn

It’s the goddamn Republican Party!

It's leader and its accomplices in Congress and in the Courts, 'The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas' when it stares right at them.

Not only its leaders, but its "base." Those who joyfully let Fox News - an extremist political-PAC masquerading as a news network that oh-so-carefully cultivated, fertilized, and harvested the imbeciles that make up "the base" - shit in their skulls and call it wisdom, who elect fascists and madmen and call it patriotism. A "base" so willfully meatbag-stupid that they will obediently ignore the rubble of one Republican catastrophe after another, while constantly tweaked to the point of near-riot by a carefully-cultivated media cocktail of rage, ignorance, bigotry and God. Couple their cult-like obedience to their cruel, corrupt, immoral crime boss with HIS ignorant ideas, HIS immense personal GREED, HIS immense clinical narcissism, HIS racist world views, and HIS penchant for and advocacy of political violence, both in HIS rhetoric and political solutions and it's "Mission Accomplished!"

This nation cannot long endure being half-Fox and half-free.

[creeksneakers2]

40. The right wing media plays a big role too.

The right wing media is nearly all lies and vicious hateful ones. The MSM has lost tons of business to them but they almost never fight back, even though the right wing media attacks the MSM constantly. Suppose you had a store that sold and mounted tires and another guy set up a tire shop nearby that sold substandard tires but he succeeded in taking half your business by spreading lies that your tires wore out after only 6,000 miles and were unsafe. Wouldn't you place some ads saying what the truth was? But the crazy MSM rarely fights back. Its time they did.

[Hassler]

41. Harry Frankfurt wrote a book called On Bullshit

There is a lot of it out there in America, especially on cable. Bullshit everywhere.

[Montauk6]

42. IT'S 6:30, FARMER JACK SAVINGS TIME

Time to save on 2-for-1 32oz bottles of delicious, nutritious Both Cider. Just kick back, sit on the fence, and enjoy a lukewarm glass of Both Cider, now at your participating Farmer Jack stores!

[blubunyip]

43. Sadly MSNBC

is the only MSM outlet that even attempts to deal with the truth beneath the spectacle. Chris Hayes and Rachel I follow sometimes, but that's it. I liked Joy's super intelligence and appropriately placed passion. And her great smile.

Compare with Jen Psaki's soulless plastic grin. Jen smirks while babbling about the most disturbing tragic topics. Cringe. Can't watch.

[mdbl]

45. Ridiculous isn't it ?!

Which is why I don't watch it. I am sick of them normalizing discussions about total insane weirdness.