"We're not at war with Iran," says Vance.

[madashelltoo]

You bomb my house and declare that you want peace. I have got to be missing an important piece of this puzzle. ANYBODY buying this crap? Could any country bomb America and declare, “my bad”, can we just be friends? WTF? Somebody somewhere is getting high. Real high! Otherwise, the rest of us have to be.

[Ocelot II]

1. We can be sure Iran thinks we're at war with Iran

and will respond accordingly.

[Hugin]

8. I'm not even certain what's going on...

War with Iran or is the chicanery from whatever the hell is happening in MT beginning to emerge.

[surfered]

2. You can't believe anything he says. This entire administration is a bunch of shameless liars.

[TBF]

3. Iran already voted to close the Strait of Hormuz -

way to go JV.

[sheshe2]

5. I had to look up the consequence's of their action..

Israel-Iran War: The significance of Strait of Hormuz that Iran threatens to block after US strikes – explained

Israel-Iran War: The Strait of Hormuz is crucial for global oil supply, yet Iran's threats to close it face significant constraints. The Strait has been at the heart of regional tensions for decades, and recently, attacks have occurred near it and targeted alternative routes.

Israel-Iran War: The United States of America's strike on three key nuclear facilities in Iran on Saturday night has put the spotlight back on the Strait of Hormuz – the strategically significant shipping pathway that carries about a fifth of the world’s oil.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/us-strikes-iran-the-significance-of-strait-of-hormuz-for-global-oil-supply-explained-in-5-points-11750573636350.html

[Vogon_Glory]

7. I suspect that the Iranian-backed Houthis are going to get weapons upgrades

They’ve already been shooting at both military and civilian navigation. Ships sailing through the Red Sea are likely to have more—exciting—passages.

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For those right-wing lurkers reading this post, use a search engine to look up “Red Sea” and then look at a map.

[Hugin]

9. Thanks for the highlight, sheshe2.

I was about to look that up. A FIFTH of the oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, eh?

[sheshe2]

18. You are very welcome, Hugin.

The ass thinks we sure showed them! Now it’s over!

[stillcool]

13. seems like it always comes down to geography

and control. I want it, you have it.

[sheshe2]

22. exactly

[PufPuf23]

21. United States large military bases in Qatar and Bahrain and CENTCOM located within the Straits of Hormuz.

There are many news stories about shifting USA military assets.

[Jack Valentino]

24. Either Iran or Iraq or BOTH sought to close the strait during their

8-year war during the Reagan administration...

we've been down this strait before

[TBF]

30. Yes - I don't think they've ever actually closed it

just the threat of it is enough (esp. when all the various groups get ahold of weapons and start trying to impact the shipping - as you said the Reagan years).

Although the tension has been there longer, that dates back to "regime change" in the 1950's

[avebury]

4. I doubt that Iran would agree. nt

[roamer65]

6. Two choke points now.

The Straits of Hormuz and the Red Sea.

I am seeing reports that the Houthis in Yemen cancelled the ceasefire with the US.

[Vogon_Glory]

15. Yup. I also mentioned the Houthis and Red Sea shipping

The Houthi rebels are backed by Iran.

I also provided a path for right-wing lurkers on how to look up where the Red Sea is on a map.

[roamer65]

19. That's two pay grades above their intellect.

[Johonny]

10. To be fair, Trump wantd to bomb his allies too

[stillcool]

11. They probably want to bomb blue states too

[Attilatheblond]

12. He seems to be playing 'the good cop' thing

Makes me consider the 25th might just be possible after all. He's acting all grown up and buffing his image. Thiel must be getting itchy to put his puppet on the throne.

[Swede]

14. But Iran is at war with you.

You absolute fucking dimwit.

[milestogo]

16. We are at war with inanimate objects.

[leftwingnut1]

27. Inanimate objects

Classic ego construction of an "enemy". We shouldn't fall into the trap that Trump has found himself; that there is an external enemy. It lurks within ourselves always.

[SCantiGOP]

28. We weren't at war with Japan at Pearl Harbor

They were just at war with our battleships.

[tavernier]

17. If I have all these bombs, why can't I use them?

Trump‘s own words during his first administration. But back then he had actual generals to persuade him not to.

[Dave says]

20. Wasn't he referring to nuclear weapons?

If so, 😳

[Jack Valentino]

25. YES, he WAS.... although I can't remember who he wanted to use them on---

US, perhaps....

[David__77]

23. This was a clearcut act of war against Iran. People aren't as stupid as he thinks.

[Charmin One]

26. When Trump iies

He is often grasping at srraws and theowing shit against tge walk, hoping something sticks. Vance’s lies are more purposeful.

[Jedi Guy]

29. That's a partial quote from Vance.

The full quote was, "We are not at war with Iran. We are at war with Iran's nuclear program."

And that, friends, is what we call a distinction without a difference. No one with two brain cells to rub together is buying what he's selling, least of all the Iranians.

No formal declaration of war has been made, true enough, but for all practical purposes Iran is now at war with Israel and the US.

If that bloated sack of guts had honored the agreement Obama made, none of this would be happening. This was a foregone conclusion the moment he scrapped that agreement, and now the Iranians have every reason to believe the US will renege on any future agreement, as does every other nation.