The question is why did the bunker busters fail? WTF would be needed to destroy these bunkers?

[Matthew28]

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The question is why did the bunker busters fail? WTF would be needed to destroy these bunkers?

[Matthew28]

1. We hit this bunker with half a dozen busters and it did almost nothing

Did Iran figure out a new way to build bunkers that make it impossible for our busters to work?

[harumph]

2. Duh, they buried them real deep. This was known.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20409221

I predicted that crap wouldn't work and I can tell you the military leadership knew it too. But everyone is sucking Trump's cock and
smoking what they're selling.

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30. The concrete, steel/iron rod enforced Maginot Line in France from WWll is still there, and it's above ground.

Seems much of this crap of bunker busters is just wishful thinking and weapon design theory.

[harumph]

9. I'm not "gleeful" but I don't like performative actions by Trump whose only purpose is to pump his poll nos.

[harumph]

16. I hear what you're saying - but the materials were removed from where we knew they were

to locations unknown. So good luck with that. No doubt Iran is now going to secretly fast track a nuke. I have no love for the Tehran regime - but there are smart ways to accomplish things and silly dangerous ways to fuck things up.

[LastDemocratInSC]

4. What would be needed? Thinner mountains.

[BoRaGard]

5. They failed because the G.O.P. draft-dodger pity-party parade was so lame and offensive

that the Gods of War blew chunks, and then soiled their bombwear.

[OC375]

6. A Nuke?

Kinda defeats the purpose?

[chelsea0011]

7. Big Beautiful Bunkers survived ?

When I heard they were obliterated, I knew they were already lying.

[sarisataka]

8. There is one way to get to them

[MrWowWow]

38. LardASS Needs to Be "on Point" Next Time...

[usonian]

10. I came, I saw, I lied

I came

I saw.



I lied.





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[msongs]

11. one suspects do not go deep snuff. nt

[LudwigPastorius]

12. W61 EPW

Production of these were supposedly cancelled 40 years ago, but one never knows...do one?

[Brother Buzz]

21. The W61 was replaced with the new and improve B61-13 nuclear gravity bomb

They started rolling on the line in May of this year.

But I guarantee the marmalade shartcannon won’t touch it because it was a Biden project.

[LudwigPastorius]

25. Trump knows more about "the nuclear" than any president.

He has strategic knowledge the likes of which we've never seen before.

[WarGamer]

13. Why is everyone misreading this story?

[BannonsLiver]

33. So their nuclear program as Trump put it, "was totally obliterated"?

Not that what he says matters anyway. Either the operation achieved its objectives or it didn’t. There’s no magical analysis required.

[WarGamer]

35. Did you read what I wrote earlier?

The "program" seems unphased... almost unaffected.

The facilities were extensively damaged.

[newdeal2]

14. He will blame Obama and/ or Biden

They personally designed the bomb and it didn’t work

[purple_haze]

17. While I'm sure the strikes were NOT as successful

as the propaganda we are being force-fed states, you lost me at "CNN confirmed....."

[pwb]

18. It appears they have many things in tunnels

everywhere. Mountains in that area all have roads bored through them. It makes sense to store everything under ground in that dessert environment. You believed what you were told about our great systems. If you are suggesting we use a nuke to get to their abilities know that over 40,000 service members are in the area and they would surly be targeted by nukes in return. It has always been the first to use a nuke would get a what for from everybody else.

[BigmanPigman]

20. That was what I heard, too.....

This made it more clear for me to understand.

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34. Israel has them, so of course Iran wants them. Now that idiot trump has...

been manipulated by warmonger Netanyahu to get involed, Mevedev of Russia has hinted they would help Iran get nukes.

[jmowreader]

19. Iran did an analysis prior to building the bunkers

Step 1: Make a list of all the nations who would elect a vainglorious douchebag who might decide to bomb Iran when things are going badly for him, so as to at least temporarily get the press to ignore his many failures. This list is not long because most nations have better sense than to elect a Donald Trump clone president of anything higher than the dog pound.

Step 2: Get out your copy of "Jane's Defence Systems" and investigate all the ground-penetrating munitions these nations have, paying particular attention to the maximum depth these systems work at.

Step 3: Build the bunker twice as deep as the most-penetrating bomb they have will go, and make sure there isn't a straight shot from an exhaust port to the power plant - you don't want your bunker to meet the same fate as the Death Star.

[Arazi]

22. Their labs are deeper than our bombs can penetrate

It’s not a failure of our bombs - I’m sure they did their job as designed.

Iran just built their facilities deeper.

And now the world knows how to evade US bunker bombs. They’re now rendered useless as a weapon. Everyone who needs to create covert untouchable facilities will just match Iran’s depth

[Prairie Gates]

23. "Bunker Busters" are a marketing ploy by the defense industry

In other words, a load of horseshit. They're just bombs. They don't magically burrow through the earth before exploding. The whole concept is ridiculous.

There are no bunker busters, and there never have been.

[JoseBalow]

24. Knock-Knock... Who's th

BOOM!

[usonian]

26. You and I know what would work.

Jealous of Harry Truman.

Who's going to stop him?

Oh, and one more thing.

STFU about your moves in advance. Moran.

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

27. Maybe they could have dropped that stupid Jan6'er with the horns to pierce the bunker!

[DFW]

28. Look on the bright side. The Defense Department just gave us a fabulous new tongue twister

Bigger Better Bunker Busters

[marble falls]

29. Hitting them accurately.

[BootinUp]

31. Could it be because, the bunkers were made to stand up to anything

you could throw at them?

[Melon]

32. How does CNN "confirm" any of this?

We don’t even have troops on the ground.

[ecstatic]

36. "WTF would be needed to destroy these bunkers?"

For starters, it would have required tRump not leaking alleged US- Iran war plans a couple years back. Iran probably had their plan in place for years now. But in case Iran didn't have a long-term plan in place, tRump made sure that they would be prepared by blasting warnings all over social media before the strike.

And honestly, it's not clear to me whether this is more incompetence or more corruption. tRump has a lot of financial ties to the Middle East. A lot of money on the line.

[Metaphorical]

37. There is a reason that NORAD is located within Cheyenne MOUNTAIN

Iran is, much like Pakistan and Afghanistan, very heavily mountainous (they are all part of the Zagros mountain range, just south of the Caucasus mountains). Bunker busters are intended for deep hardened manmade structures, but the Iranian enrichment facilities are likely hundreds of meters deep, and even a small nuke would likely have trouble penetrating that. I'm sure there likely was SOME damage, but as far as I can tell it was for the most part just a very bright fireworks show.

[Girard442]

39. I have a "bunker buster" shovel in my garage.

I mean, it's never been seen to work on an actual bunker, but it has the name, so it's gotta be.

Right?

[Vinca]

40. Wonder how much this egomaniacal exercise cost the taxpayers.

I also wonder how much we paid the defense industry to make 30,000 lb. "bunker buster" bombs that don't bust bunkers. Just round it up to the nearest billion and let us know.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

41. Geology as warfare: Iran put its missiles where physics, not diplomacy, keeps them safe

CNN satellite analysis and Alma Research findings show Iran’s underground tunnel cities, with internal rail systems that move missiles to blast-door exits, have survived the bombing campaign largely intact. The geology, analysts say, is the real defense.

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https://www.thestatesman.com/world/iran-underground-missile-railway-tunnel-us-israel-strikes-operation-epic-fury-1503573121.html

Three weeks of intensive US and Israeli strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile infrastructure have destroyed radar systems, collapsed tunnel entrances, and cratered ventilation shafts across dozens of sites. Iran keeps firing. The reason, according to satellite analysis by CNN and assessments by Israeli security research centre Alma Research, lies not above the ground but hundreds of metres beneath it; inside a network of underground missile cities connected by internal railways, carved into mountains that no bomb in the current American or Israeli arsenal can fully reach.

Iran’s underground missile programme is not a recent improvisation. Reports that emerged as far back as 2020 claimed an automated railway system running through cavernous tunnels, transporting ballistic missiles between assembly halls, storage vaults, and blast-door exits. What is becoming clearer now, as Operation Epic Fury enters its fourth week, is the scale of what was built and the limits of what air power alone can do against it.....

The central constraint is geological, and it has now been publicly stated by Iran itself. Former IRGC Aerospace Force commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh said that Iran built its missile bases across provinces and cities at a depth of 500 metres.

The most powerful weapon the United States has for destroying hardened underground targets is the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator – a 30,000-pound bomb built specifically for this purpose. It can penetrate “approximately 60 metres of reinforced concrete or roughly 40 metres of moderate rock. Granite is harder than moderate rock. Five hundred metres is more than twelve times the weapon’s maximum penetration depth. The gap between the bomb and the tunnel is not a margin of error.”....

“IRGC did not prepare for this war by building rockets. It prepared by building railways inside mountains. The rockets are replaceable. The railways are permanent. And the granite that protects them was formed before mammals existed. The strait is 21 miles wide. The mountain is 500 metres deep. And the railway inside it is still delivering missiles to the surface,” he added.

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Iran has continued to fire ballistic missiles throughout Operation Epic Fury, including the attempted strike on the joint US-UK base at Diego Garcia. Trump has said the operation is running weeks ahead of schedule and that Iran’s military is finished. The satellite imagery and the institutional assessments tell a more complicated story: one in which the visible war, fought above ground, has made genuine progress, and the invisible war, fought half a kilometre underground, has barely begun.

There is a reason why only one-third of Iran's missiles have been destroyed. Iran has been preparing for these attacks for decades. Iran's missile facilities are beyond reach of bunker buster bombs and there is no practical way without a very large number of troops to take out these missies.