The Supreme Court will not hold. The system has

[bronxiteforever]

collapsed. What started with Dodds is nearing its completion. Absent an injunction remedy, each individual birthright citizen must hire their own lawyer to fight for their right to live in the place of their birth. The right is reserved for those who have the cash to hire counsel. And all the Alito originalism is just a smoke screen for the vilest racism with a helping of plutocracy.

We have blood witted bounty hunters searching for immigrants. I don’t believe ICE is performing routine background checks which is the normal standard of care for law enforcement hires. I wonder how many potential Golden State Serial Killer cops are now in the employ of iCE.
We have actual gulags now. We are disappearing humans.

The budget-Silicon Valley Billionaires are set to get richer and collect a huge pay day tax break with the impact of it being carried by the weary American worker.

Foreign policy- we are a Putin cheerleading squad while brave Ukraine tries to survive our choice.

You may criticize my despair but let this flow out. This is a day of mourning because I know that my supposed modern country is subjecting the helpless to so much pain. There will certainly be other days for battles and grim determination but today I heard on the wind a dying breath coming from the Capital.

[yankee87]

1. Depression here

Here we had almost 3% of the country for a No Kings protest, and SCOTUS says, hold my beer. I swear if rump says, the age of consent should be 3 years old, half the country would agree.
At best this country is now an oligarchy, at worst a dictatorship.

[bronxiteforever]

2. I can only agree.

[Initech]

6. Trump is not running the country. Heritage and Federalist are, along with Miller, Fox, and Bannon.

Trump is just a figure head. He's the only way the GOP maintains power. Fox News thinks the government is their personal property, it is not.

[Gimpyknee]

26. It would take a Democratic controlled House and Senate to add additional justices to the SC.

Sadly, I don’t see that happening in 2026.

[returnee]

43. It would take a fair election process...

….accomplish even that. And that might take…well, use your imagination.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. I don't believe

There is a political solution to this problem from hell.

[yankee87]

87. Agreed

I don’t think so either. Worse is my children and their friends think so. I’m on the back nine of my life, so I won’t see the country come back.

[RockRaven]

3. Not hold? The Roberts Court has been a key DRIVER of the system's demise.

Their rulings are not coincidentally unfortunate or derived from unmotivated rationality.

Their rulings are all aimed towards this purpose. The Roberts Court is not a failed guardrail; they are a demolition squad.

[bronxiteforever]

11. Love your passion. What do you suggest

in light of this.

[dutch777]

30. Take it to the street. Civil disobedience at every turn to the point all the courts are overwhelmed. Stop buying...

...anything you don't absolutely need. General Mills just announced decreased sales of 10% and predicts it will even become 15% less by next report. Kick big business in the wallet and folks in DC will be messaged by their donors that the direction is bad and getting worse. Bond market is already messaging and stock market will peak and start to backslide as the real estate market is already doing in many places.

[SonOfNebanaube]

37. re: Genal Mills

Nobody wants poisoned grains.

[calimary]

50. Welcome to DU, SonOfNebanaube!

I wake up already heart-broken every morning at this point.

The donald has caused more outrage, lies and falsehoods, and other verbal pestilence to be rained down upon this country. And so far, he's been able to operate with impunity, not facing ANY consequences or any legal opposition to curtail ANY of this shit. His attitude always seems to be "you can't touch me!" And I will never stop hoping that SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, finally can.

[dem4decades]

4. It's over Johnnie.

[Silent Type]

5. Don' think Supreme Court ruling requires every immigrant to file suit. Might require lawsuits in other districts, though

That might be a good thing next time we are in power-- right wing 5th Circuit won't have unilateral power to stop Democratic EOs.

[bronxiteforever]

7. That is the best way to look at it.

I hope you are right.

[LR3]

12. Why would they let that happen?

The right wing fascists on the SC have made it clear that anything Trump does is legal. Why would they, the Republican scum that have turned this country into a kakistocracy/kleptocracy, ever let Democrats take power?

The plan is never to let that happen, and they've concocted an obviously corrupt legal framework to ensure it won't.

[Silent Type]

19. They did no such thing. In fact, this ruling will help Democratic Prezs too.

[bamagal62]

31. We may not ever have

A democratic president. They’ll steal
The elections.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

56. After 2030, they won't even need to do that

Unless voter trends suddenly shift and the ongoing migration from state to state changes, the reapportionment after the 2030 census is going to hurt us bad. The predicted maps show enough House seats, and therefor Electoral Votes, shifting to away from blue states to solid red and red leaning states that they won't even need to win a single "blue wall" state to win the Presidency.

[JustAnotherGen]

77. I don't think this ends politically

And for that reason alone - if we don't return to the status quo? We don't have to keep the electoral college. We can increase the number of House Reps. We can arrest and try the SCOTUS members who have been bribed. We can outlaw Fox news, the Confederate Flag, the Swastika, etc etc.

Now there are Leftists who say "Then that's being like them!"

So fucking what? Big wow. If they can't do these things for those of us here since 1619 then get the fuck out of our way.

Biden was amazing! But resetting us to January 2017 didn't work. The maggots did it again.

I'm not willing to give them a third chance. Between their traitor war in the 1860's and the installation of Krasnov in January?

It's enough. We have to make it impossible for them to do it again. If we have the will, America will rise again. Just with a few necessary tweaks.

[bronxiteforever]

44. Sotomayor does not share your optimistic view.

Wrote and said directly “No right is safe in the new legal regime the Court creates.”. So either she is not truthful (which I don’t believe) or the majority opinion is as bad as she thinks it is. That is a pretty direct statement. After Dodds and after all of the 6 justices testified to the settled law of Roe, my confidence that the Courts will hold is zero.

[Silent Type]

59. Time to start focusing on state and local elections. That's where action is for most of these cases

include abortion.

[S/V Loner]

15. You are assuming that...

There will be a fair election that will put us in power. Not if the GOP can help it.

[Silent Type]

18. Don't think trump will get away with curtailing elections. Midterms will be here soon, and

I hope we run hard without falling to doom and gloom that it won’t matter.

[rampartd]

28. who will stop him from cancelling or, more likely, controlling elections?

[bamagal62]

32. This 👆

[mdbl]

63. Exactly.

[dwayneb]

66. Dead on.

Trump has over 3 years to figure out how to destroy our election system. Make no mistake technology will be the handmaiden of darkness in accomplishing that.

With AI many people will no longer be able to discern truth from fiction. Journalists will no longer be able to trust any sources. In 3 years, the propaganda machine will completely control everything we read or hear and every single person in this country will be continuously monitored.

There is nothing in modern history that is even close to what we are going to experience. Even today every single aspect of your life is digitally collated and available for Trump and his Ministry of Truth to use to control you. It is a simple matter for today's AI to monitor and enslave a mere 350 million people.

Our Constitution failed to protect us from the USA becoming an authoritarian state as anyone who really thought about knew it would. It was just a matter of time for someone like Trump to pack the SCOTUS and set the stage for establishing a police state.

Life will go on. But it will go on without the American Dream. We should count ourselves lucky to have had 250 years before this happened.

[SonOfNebanaube]

39. Don't

Don't vote by mail. The routing system is back doored.

[Fl_life]

80. I oncur...

What sounds like a good and fair process can easily be corrupted..

[angrychair]

20. That's funny

We will never be in charge again. Democracy died today. SCOTUS gave the Mango Mussolini the ability to strip people of their citizenship and send them to foreign torture prisons at will.

[Silent Type]

21. That's funnier, it didn't give him authority to do that.

[angrychair]

24. It did

Unless you can pony up the cost of a lawyer to help fight it. This isn't my opinion .That is literally what Justices Sotomayor and Jackson said themselves in their dissenting opinions..

[Silent Type]

25. ACLU, Immigrant groups, tons of civil rights lawyers are ready to take those cases. Do you think

some poor immigrant filed the lawsuit that spurred this ruling.

And you and I can help fund those cases.

[angrychair]

33. I could be one of those cases

I was born to US parents but I was born in a civilian Dutch hospital and I have a Dutch birth certificate and US State Dept issued naturalization papers.
I get it seems unlikely but the "unlikely" seems to be getting more and more likely every day.

[Captain Zero]

79. Could some law clerks be trained quickly to represent

In cases just for some of these individuals because can't you assign anyone to represent you in court, right?

[rzemanfl]

55. I think there will be a ruling in every Appellate District.

The results of those rulings might well decide which side each District takes in the event of a Civil War.

[forgotmylogin]

58. Can every state just declare "Anyone born in this state is a US citizen" and be done with it?

[Maru Kitteh]

8. I find no hope for my granddaughter's future in this country.

[dwayneb]

68. That's the sad part - and its not just the USA

Unfortunately we are witnessing a slide into authoritarianism all across the world. Sure there will be holdouts, places where freedom may survive for a few generations. But we are witnessing the change of the guard.

Not trying to be dramatic or depressing, but I truly believe that we are not far away from someone somewhere using nuclear weapons and triggering the holocaust that will send us back to the Stone Age. Would you rather be enslaved or be vaporized? One day soon we will be faced with that choice.

[lostnfound]

86. Of all the f'ing takeaways, that is pitiful. Yeah. Every liberal icon sucks, that's the real problem. Like tan suits.

Faulting ONE WOMAN who served ADMIRABLY in one of the highest positions in the country for… wait for it:
NOT RETIRING EARLY ENOUGH.

I get your point I do.
But I am sick to death of every finger pointing at the best of us, why didn’t they do more??

NO. Mitch McConnell is the selfish pr*** who is to blame. Donald Trump, Karl Rove, George W. Bush, EVERY f’ing rich executive who donated to Hertiage fund and Superpacs and Tea Parties and Leonard Leo.. Blame THEM.

RBG? Don’t fault the dead liberal hero, for heavens sake, who lived her life honorably, energetically, intelligently, and like a warrior for justice and equality.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. The entire country are birthright citizens

That's how I have my citizenship, I was born here. My parents have their citizenship too because they were born here.

I too think our Democracy has been ended. Trump now has the power to deport any American who opposes him.

300 Million Americans are now subject to ICE deporting them should the Trump administration decide to do so. No charges, no warrant, no trial. You and I can be disappeared to another country and thrown in prison if Trump says so.

[Ms. Toad]

13. The EO was very limited, and doesn't impact current citizens (even in the unlikely event it is upheld).

Last edited Fri Jun 27, 2025, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)

It only impacts individuals born after a February 19, 2025, and only impacts certain people born to non-citizens after that date

It isn't retroactive, and it doesn't apply to children born to mothers who are citizens.

[Silent Type]

14. Thanks for facts.

[Wiz Imp]

16. Thanks. I was pretty sure that was the case.

I understand being outraged by all this - if you aren't outraged you aren't paying attention. But the fearmongering like "they can now deport anyone they want because of this" needs to stop.

[aggiesal]

23. And you believe that? ...

Mierda47 will issue an EO to cover every brown person with a lastname that sounds either Arab or Hispanic/Latino to prove Birth Right Citizenship.
They're already doing it now.
The ICEtopol is asking brown people right now, what their immigration status is.
You think they need a warrant? They don't need no stinking warrant.

I now have to carry my Passport Card with my drivers license to prove I'm a U.S. Citizen.
The only good part, is that I don't speak like my cousin Chuy from East El Ehh. (Spoken in a Spanish accent).

They have a goal of ~13,000,000 deportations, and they've only gotten about 10K
Our Emperor will issue an EO that will create a large window to allow more of us to fit into what they're looking for.

And God forbid we go into the wrong part of the country, where the district won't recognize my Birth Right.
I'll be a US citizen in some states and NOT a US citizen in others.

[Ms. Toad]

29. Deportation and citizenship are related, but different issues.

The executive order was very carefully crafted, by someone other than Trump, to have the best chance at success in the courts. It is strictly limited to individuals born 30 days after it started. It doesn't apply to all individuals born to non-citizens - just the classes they believe have the most tenuous ties to citizenship. They know they are on weak grounds, and took a lot of care to do something without overreaching.

No, they are not going to issue another, broader, birthright citizenship EO until this one has had some success. That will be at least a year.

As long as you are a citizen now, you will be a citizen in every state, unless you less than 5 months old. The executive order is very clear that it applies only to people born more than 30 days after the date of the order (Jan 20, 2025). And if you are less than 5 months old - congratulations on being an infant prodigy.


That doesn't mean that brown people can let down their guard. They are going to continue to push the limits of deportation - searching for catch and kill locations to bump numbers (ports of entry, court hearings, immigration status hearings, visas, etc.) They are going to continue stopping brown people, and "occasionally" scooping up citizens in their wake - and shipping to detention first, and asking questions later. Every deportation - even if it is just turning someone away at the port of entry adds to their count - and they want numbers they can shout to the world. It is abhorrent.

BUT I was addressing solely the legal impact of this decision, in the wake of a whole bunch of people who are not impacted by even the broadest interpretation of the court's ruling spreading disinformation about what the ruling itself means.

[aggiesal]

40. The ICEtopol DOESN'T CARE about EO's !!! ...

I'm betting that they are getting paid bonuses on the numbers they bring in.
That's why they're hanging out at Home Depot's and 7-Eleven's

Last week when they did Home Depot's, in LA, they rounded up U.S. Citizens as well.
They simply DON'T CARE.

[Ms. Toad]

52. Agreed.

I'm just clarifying the legal issues decided by the Court today.

[bronxiteforever]

41. Hi Mrs Toad

Your points are important but Sotomayor read her opinion and said and wrote this

The 14th Amendment plainly extends citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” she noted. “That means what it says.”
In failing to uphold that plain Constitutional pillar, she warned, “No right is safe in the new legal regime the Court creates.”

That impacted me. She apparently feels the majority is creating a new legal regime.

[Ms. Toad]

45. It definitely is.

But the impact of this decision isn't directly on birthright citizenship - and to the extent it is on birthright citizenship, it is only about those born after February 19, 2025.

But, the birthright decision aside, this decision makes it exponentially harder to fight illegal and unconstitutional actions. Instead of suing in one (or a handful) of states, organizations defending our constitutional rights will need to file suit in every single state (possibly in every district - I haven't read it to see whether it is a state-by-state, or district-by-district issue). That multiplies the cost of fighting Trump by 50, at least.

I am not minimizing the impact of the actual decision of the court on fighting Trump. What I am trying to do is to cut off the wild, "We're all gonna be deported, since none of us are citizens" nonsense - since that was not the question before the court (not even the one before the court when this substantive question reaches the court - it will still only be about birthright citizenship for some individuals born after February 12, 2025).

[bronxiteforever]

46. Got you. Thank you for the informed discussion.

I really appreciate it!

[angrychair]

36. That's just not true

They are actively deporting people that definitely exceed those conditions.

[Ms. Toad]

53. They aren't relying on the Executive Order defining birthright citizenship in those deportations.

My post was addressing the limitations in the EO (purportedly defining birthright citizenship), and the Supreme Court's decision. Citizenship is related to deportation - BUT none of the deportations so far,, that I'm aware of, are relying on the EO's interpretation of citizenship.

They are certainly deporting anyone brown they think they can get away with deporting. But they aren't deporting them because of the EO on citizenship (or because of the court decision today). The citizens they are deporting are children deported with their parents (often by tricking their parents), they are deporting citizens because of administrative screw ups. I haven't heard a single claim that they are deporting someone who isn't a citizen because of the EO. The only one that comes close is the Thomas one in another thread - but he wasn't born on US soil, and his citizenship was determined in 2016 (not after the EO on citizenship).

[angrychair]

60. Thank you for that

That was very informative and appreciated 😊

[SonOfNebanaube]

78. I hope my...

I hope my daughter doesn't get pregnant because this is why they ended abortion. They wanted slave like control.

[Bettie]

49. That was what I was thinking about

I go back to great-great=grandparents before finding someone who was naturalized (and I only assume that because their baptism paperwork is written in German).

So, am I a citizen? I guess so for now, I have a passport, I have a RealID, but they can decide at any time that none of that counts because, um, reasons.

[orangecrush]

17. Only 5 months in, if you think they aren't coming for us

after their kidnapping becomes normalized, you're living in Dreamland.

[Karasu]

22. This. While it is true that this ruling alone doesn't bring us all the way to that point, we're GOING to get there.

It's been 5. Fucking. Months.

And this is where we're already at.

[dwayneb]

73. I've been sounding the alarm for decades and no one listened

Americans STILL don't comprehend how fucked they are or how bad this is going to get. They won't get it until they are in a political prison as an "enemy of the state".

[B.See]

85. precisely

[HarryM]

27. Is it time for...

A French Revolution Solution yet?

[questionseverything]

35. Secrets in the sauce

[NJCher]

34. If you feel that strongly about it

And that this is the direction it's going in:

Start organizing to supply funds for legal assistance. That's what fighting back is.

Think that's too difficult? It's not easy, but I did it two decades ago--raised 70k for a legal library, recruited lawyers to help people do their papers, had regular meetings, met with the administrative division of the court system in NJ. Met one-on-one with people who didn't know where to go or what to do about their situation. Had a regular cable tv show discussing the topic.

I had a very smart partner in this endeavor. I did not do it all myself. We recruited a network of people all over the United States and our organization was national. All of our assistance was free, but we actively recruited donations to keep it going.

[SidneyR]

38. Can I be deported, please?

Send me back to where my great-grandfather came from, a small town near Maidstone, Kent, UK. I'll go willingly. It'll feel like going home.

[SARose]

48. Me, too

I can go to Titchfield, England or County Galway Ireland or Brittany in France or Jutland in Denmark or anyone of several Scandinavian countries.

I am not a pure bred - I am a mutt! 😉

Justice Sotomayor raises questions Republican AGs need to hear. How are states to comply?

Are these children eligible for CHIPS, Medicaid, SNAP benefits? Is our government going to deny these children the right to vote?

The right to vote - there it is.

Who pays for a complete overhaul of 50 states (and territories) process for recording and maintaining birth certificates? What about passports? Are these children now stateless?

How does this affect the 2030 census? Run roh Governor Hot Wheels - Texas could lose several House seats.

[flamingdem]

42. Young people voted in droves in NYC

Dems can capture this group! Vision needed. Financial issues addressed is number ONE.

[crud]

47. Wasn't there something called the enabling act

that let the nazis take over? I think this is similar.

[dwayneb]

72. Here is the Enabling Act of 1933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

"The Enabling Act of 1933 'Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich' was a law that gave the German Cabinet most importantly, the chancellor, Adolf Hitler - the power to make and enforce laws without the involvement of the Reichstag or President Paul von Hindenburg.

By allowing the Chancellor to override the checks and balances in the constitution, the Enabling Act was a pivotal step in the transition from the democratic Weimar Republic to the totalitarian dictatorship of Nazi Germany."

Absolutely there are parallels with this EO. Justice Sotomayor describes it as an “existential threat to the rule of law”. “No right is safe in the new legal regime the Court creates.”

[elleng]

51. No basis to criticie your despair (sadly.)

[ecstatic]

54. they are completely illegitimate and have been for a while now (definitely since Dobbs)

And now they've stopped our ability to peacefully get justice. So everything that happens now is 100% on them.

[dwayneb]

69. All true - now what?

I don't think there is any way back. We are already over the cliff and into free fall. Trump is going to crank up the machine that is bulldozing its way into the underpinnings of our Constitution.

Make no mistake the first amendment is going to be his next move. Freedom of the press, first. He will use AI to distort and de-legitimize every news organization. And then it's time to play the "enemies of the state" card.

[Mysterian]

57. Corrupt judges dig their own graves

Dictatorships have no need for judges.

[Joinfortmill]

61. I hear you. It's gonna be a rough ride ahead.

And, we may not make to the end. But, I still have faith in the American people. As for SCOTUS, 'may they be hoisted upon their own petard'.

[Ruby the Liberal]

62. 4/5 of Trumps spawn were hatched by immigrants

Lets send them on their way.

[AllyCat]

64. And Miami just canceled their November elections.

Last edited Fri Jun 27, 2025, 10:42 PM - Edit history (1)

No reason. Just because. They’ll have the elections in ‘26

Edit to add linkiepoo

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/city-of-miami-postpones-november-2025-election-to-2026-extends-officials-terms/

[Iris]

65. Do you have a link to this story?

[AllyCat]

67. Here 'tis.

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/city-of-miami-postpones-november-2025-election-to-2026-extends-officials-terms/

[Iris]

70. Thanks!

[gixxerlee]

71. talk about activist judges

the conservatives are an absolute disgrace to the founders dreams of a separate branch. all they do is get on their knees and kiss trumps ass. please, please can we have a major win in the mid terms so we can impeach these fools as well as their king

[BWdem4life]

74. Capitol. nt

[samnsara]

75. trumps a psychic vampire that is sucking the energy from us...

..and we have three years of this shit to go. I'm watching less news and even less from the Independent content creators. I cant watch any with clips of trump as i cant get him out of my brain then. 'The Enemy from Within' is my go to right now. No clips of donold just lots and lots of swearing....which is where I'm at, at the moment.

[thought crime]

81. If the Judicial Branch crumbles, it's over.

[Martin68]

82. I wish I could agree that the Supreme Court will not hold. but it looks to me like they will hold and continue to rule

in favor of Trump's coup.

[mvd]

83. It's very alarming

Barrett is really just as much of a Trump stooge as the other stooges. Roberts doesn’t care about reputation anymore. That injunction ruling yesterday was just plain MAGA and not according to law.

[BobTheSubgenius]

84. The last sentence of this OP is, as a review of Tie Your Mother Down put it so many years ago...

..."sheer bloody poetry." Absolutely excellent!!!

That one line from a Queen album has been seared into my memory for nearly 5 decades. I'm positive this OP will be the same.