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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy is MSNBC bending over backward to tell us
what a mistake Mamdani is for the Democratic party?
I'm watching Alex Witt speaking to a panel of 3, one of which is Brendan Buck, a former advisor to Paul Ryan, Mr. Social Security is good for me but not for yee. And Buck is telling us Democrats how Mamdani is trouble for Democrats especially for the centrists in the party. He's just so helpful.
Just a few moments ago I read a reply on this sight complaining about losing the "big tent" strategy because of Mandami. You can always become a Republican. Reagan Democrats have hurt our party, IMHO.
MSNBC needs to rethink their strategy or go full on FAUX. You see how that's working out for CNN. Laughing stock comes to mind.
marble falls
(72,544 posts)Buddyzbuddy
(2,914 posts)LymphocyteLover
(10,162 posts)they will go all out to kill his candidacy
lostnfound
(17,634 posts)The people who recognize how rigged the system has become (politically, economically) might feel compelled to create their own narratives, their own manner of communicating about the rigged system which might be chaotic for those that want to control society.
So MSNBC gives a narrative that puts some kind of boundaries around acceptable thought question corruption, dont question capitalist underpinnings which makes those viewers more manageable to the owners. They can sell pharmaceuticals and candidates from a party; they can sell hope from time to time. Sometimes they sell plausible explanations to take the pressure off. Maybe it was this..maybe it was that
Is controlled opposition. Morning Joes crap, Nicole was on Bushes team. Joe made sure Markos Moulitas didn't come back on. I gave up those sunday shows years ago . Because they were all republicans. McCain on after losing to Obama. And the guy who was head of the Gop Michael Steele. Its fox lite it huffs and puffs and goes in circles.
MadameButterfly
(4,165 posts)Wallace and Steele can be pretty sharp, but for smart people it took them a long time to come around. And even then:
I can never forget when it became clear Hillary had beat Bernie in the primaries, Nicole with tremors of despair saying, "We don't know if he's going to support Hillary or Trump!"
First, even though she was dumb enough once to support W., she wasn't dumb enough to wonder who Bernie would support. MSNBC rallied throughout the primary for Hillary over Bernie, and 4 years later for everybody over Bernie.
This is relevant because Mamdani is a Democratic Socialist endorsed by Bernie and AOC. The candidate Mamdani beat was forced out of office for sexual harrasment, and the Mayor who will run as an independent is a criminal who will be a Trump puppet in office. But to MSNBC, being a Democratic Socialist is worse.
We rail against Trump's racism and anti-Muslim sentiment but the network that is our lifeline can't celebrate a charismatic leader with innovative ideas who actually cares about the people, is dedicated and honest, and who can win if they don't sabotage him. Because, prejudice.
kentuck
(115,644 posts)The "old guard" is hanging onto power. They believe that it is political poison to associate oneself with any type of "socialism". Younger Democrats do not have the same reaction to that word.
It is dividing the Party, in my opinion.
But, will it divide it to the point of losing voters?
bucolic_frolic
(55,847 posts)This is essentially a capitalism and capitalists vs. labor clash.
Callie1979
(1,418 posts)I mean how hard is it folks? I guess we're still ignoring why we lost the Independents & a lot of Dems.
kerry-is-my-prez
(10,333 posts)There are definitely different factions in the Dem Party and amongst Independents.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,914 posts)the Felon, literally, and you think we lost Democrats and Independents because they thought he was a better choice than she was.
How about removing voters from the voting rolls by the tens of thousands. Or racism, or stupidity or laziness.
Passion is a strong motivator not apathy and whining from those that didn't get everything they want. How many times did I hear that Palestinian Americans weren't voting for Harris because Biden didn't stop Netanyahu or the right-wing extremist Jews because Biden criticized Netanyahu. Or minorities because Biden didn't support them in the way they wanted.
Well, how do you like the results of your choices to vote or not vote? To the voters in 2028, I say get in line or get lost. You want more of this or don't care then they can f.ck off. The Felon doesn't have any impact on my life except for inflation but I will "fight" 'til my last breath for the rights of others and my liberal belief that it should matter what happens to the bottom 90%, not the top 10%.
That's what Mandami represents. And Bernie and AOC.
B.See
(8,874 posts)We stand for what we stand for not necessarily because we are personally impacted, but because of what THEY STAND FOR:
The hate, the racial animosity, the division and discord, the grift, the GREED, the inhumanity and the narrow-minded, self-serving CRUELTY...
the authoritarian, supremacist, fascist sentiment that presumes their "superiority" and PRIVILEGE over those they wish to dictate to, disenfranchise, demean and "other."
We support what we support because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Callie1979
(1,418 posts)Can we please win back the House FIRST before we tell people to fuck off?
fujiyamasan
(2,053 posts)But is likely true. I think republicans have been waiting for a prominent democrat to come out and say Im a socialist and the mayor (or mayoral candidate) for the largest city in the nation is very visible and always gets a lot of press nationally. Its a bonus for them since hes Muslim! If only he were gay, they would have hit the boogeyman trifecta.
People nationwide are more likely to know who the mayor of NYC is over their own.
Now of course it would be insane for democrats not to run people because of their race or religion (thats kind of what Id expect from the other side), but its going to get tiresome when all we hear is so and so candidate in swing district X is tied to the socialist mayor of NYC for months on end next year as we approach the midterms.
Callie1979
(1,418 posts)I simply say ASK people who voted for Biden in '20 but trump in '24 WHY they did so. It wasnt a "landslide" like MAGA claims. But bring up the border & you get responses of trump stopping the border bill; but nothing about the THREE years prior.
purple_haze
(401 posts)too much emotional thinking and not enough thinking about how to strategize and most importantly WIN. If we ever want to win again we have to have a candidate that centrists can FULLY get behind. This guy is not that candidate.
lees1975
(7,190 posts)from segments of Democratic voters we didn't get in 2024, but if this kind of victory is the look for 2028, we're doomed?
This is exactly why we need leaders like David Hogg. They see things that the status quo, pandering to the same old tired politics, doesn't see. And they win with it. Then the status quo critics come along and say, "Oh, we'll never win with this."
Well, we just did.
Callie1979
(1,418 posts)We run candidates like this in '26 for the House & watch the result. We SHOULD retake it by a dozen seats at least.
I hope we have some major State elections THIS Nov to get an idea of what works & what doesnt work in the ares that are tossups.
awesomerwb1
(5,155 posts)you haven't seen everything he writes and says.
I have taken heat for criticizing Schumer and Jeffries because to me they're embarrassingly ineffective. But Hogg, justice democrats etc are not the answer. They criticize their own party more than the gop which is extremely idiotic. And how many of them protest voted for trump vs clinton? It's ridiculous.
ILikePie92
(223 posts)Kind of like how they bent over backwards to tell us how Biden was too old and we should replace him as the nominee THREE FUCKING MONTHS BEFORE AN ELECTION!
How did that work out again?
We will continue to lose as we continue to go after ourselves.
harumph
(3,422 posts)who ALWAYS seek to push the Overton window to the right. Without fail and dependably. And, because Americans on the average
are uninformed, they tend to fall for it. Socialist! Radical! Anti-white! Too extreme! Many (not all - but many) establishment Democrats want to
sink him because he doesn't use weaselly nebulous language which they prefer. Oh, I can just hear the responses to the foregoing. 'Well, if you
want us to lose in 26' blah, blah, blah.' To which I'll reply, "We've almost lost the entire shooting match and the country to boot ALREADY. Time to
try something new." I'm a white male Texan in my early 60s and I approve this message!
LiberalArkie
(19,919 posts)slightlv
(7,955 posts)the only party that has (for quite a while) offered a radical change is the Republican party. Now, I agree that Democrats have more to offer the average person and families. But they don't get the message out. It's like they're totally without passion and have given up the ghost, in general. I make an exception for Harris' campaign; and I don't think we lost. I think we were robbed and I don't care who screams at me for saying it. She DID generate passion and power. This country is just so f*cked up we're never gonna get a woman president. We actually got a black guy in office... but hell, no... no way is there gonna be a woman. UNLESS that woman is a hardcore republican who can toe the line between submissive and empowering. Anyway, between Hillary and Harris, I actually thought I might see a female prez before I die. Now, I figure there's no way in this country.
People have been conditioned to reject progressive ideas. But, if you don't tell them where an idea came from or who said what about it, they'll inevitably want whatever it is you're talking about. We've been talking about how do we recondition all these magas out of their cult and back into reality. Well... we've got a bigger problem than that. How do we recondition half of the nation away from hate and back towards cooperation and civilization? I swear, although I can see and agree with all the problems it raises, I'd much rather see the nation split in two and deal with those repercussions. People are exhausted emotionally and physically. They tired of the hopelessness of day to day life. They don't see a future that's good for them or their kids in this country. Unless, I guess, you're a right-wing talibangelical. But who wants that? Talk about no fun... ever!
Buddyzbuddy
(2,914 posts)I agree with most of your points. I think a woman can win. I think 2028 is ripe for an angry liberal candidate that will fight on our behalf. No half measures, no go along to get along. Passion, truth and integrity will win the nomination. Somebody that is willing to punish the past and with enough fortitude to fix the future. It will require generations to get back what's been lost or taken. But the contrast between Democrats and Republicans will never be more obvious. We need to have a reason to be proud of our party and centrist doesn't win the day. Passion,passion, passion. Like it or not, Jan.6ers had that.
snot
(11,848 posts)She and Nina Turner are about he only candidates I could get excited about.
slightlv
(7,955 posts)But she's got the same outward issue as nearly everyone else in the Dem. party has... she's past retirement age. We need the new blood, like AOC and a few others who have put themselves out there (and had their hands slapped as a result). The Democratic Boomers did the best we could, seeing as how often we got our ideas cut off and ridiculed by not only the R's, but also the more Centrist Democrats. But we fell down majorly when it comes to mentoring the next generation of leaders... and now too many of my generation are so reluctant to turn loose of their seats of power. Still... I wish I had one third the energy that Warren displays everyday. MTG can't even keep up with her, AFAIC!
usonian
(26,596 posts)Bernie Sanders
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/25/democrats-learn-zohran-mamdani-victory
Too many Democratic party leaders would rather be the captains on a sinking Titanic than change course
Fri 27 Jun 2025
Then again, it doesnt matter what they think. The establishment threw everything they had against Mamdani millions in Super Pac money, endorsements from important people, a hostile media and they still lost.
The future of the Democratic party will not be determined by its current leadership. It will be decided by the working class of this country. Increasingly, people understand that our political system is corrupt and that billionaires should not be able to buy elections.
Some people just refuse to do as big money dictates. Leadership should not bend a knee to it.
mzmolly
(52,861 posts)"big tent"
Buddyzbuddy
(2,914 posts)kimbutgar
(27,560 posts)They are si corporate
mvd
(65,954 posts)They throw us a bone with some good hosts but overall the company does not want the system upset too much.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Its infotainment. Ignore them.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,914 posts)available to the lazy or to tired to seek information and MSNBC, like it or not is the last bastion of hearing liberal points of view and information that the right doesn't want you to hear on television.
Print journalism is ending faster than ice melts on a sidewalk, in the summer. The big newspapers are bending the knee and corporate America has scared the editorial departments. Radio is largely owned by conservatives. There are fewer of them, conservatives than there are of us, liberals but money controls the narrative.
Support what few sources of truth that we have left, please don't take it for granted. The truth has become much harder to access.
Iamscrewed
(486 posts)Follow the money.
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)Democrats how we should be doing things. There is such a huge gap in wealth that there seems to be a disconnect between poor dems, and uber wealthy ones. See, rich people will be rich regardless. People wont care until they see their familiy, or themselves hurt by all of this.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,289 posts)Controllers make good mayors and governors. The understand money, funding, debt. They're analytical. They might not be the most "warm" personalities, but they know how to handle big numbers, big budgets. Anne Richards was Texas Comptroller before she was governor. Kathy Whitmire and Annise Parker were both controllers before they were mayors of Houston. Someone with a mind for numbers is a refreshing change from the revolving door of lawyers and businessmen we usually see going into politics.
BattleRow
(2,716 posts).
TexasBushwhacker
(21,289 posts)She would primary Lina Hildalgo, who is a Democrat, but has made some unpopular decisions. It's really not a judicial role. The position is the county's chief executive officer and emergency manager. Someone with a financial background would be well suited.
electric_blue68
(27,353 posts)Was Texas more purple back then?
TexasBushwhacker
(21,289 posts)She lost the '94 election for 2 reasons. It was a national midterm election, the "Republican Revolution" and the Dems lost over 50 seats in the House. Also Ann vetoed Texas's first "right to carry" gun law. She knew it was political suicide, but she also knew that more guns = more dead people.
electric_blue68
(27,353 posts)didn't know about that gun stuff.
Cheezoholic
(3,929 posts)People need to lay off MSNBC, they are all we have left when it comes to the Cable news space. And though Cable News/Opinion shows aren't near what they used to be the MSNBC weekday 4-11 crews have a great influence on the online progressive news space. As a matter of fact, it's where many of the progressive online "influencers" so to speak get their story's from. Yes they are corporate news media but there was a time when corporate media was independent and good. We need to support them, they are all thats left there and there are things they can do that others simply can't on smaller platforms.
I swear I hear this around hear so much. Is all some people watch Morning Joe Blow BS?? Weekdays 4-11, you will watch much of what you hear or read on here before you do on here. You will hear 6 straight hours of Republicans getting called out, for AssFuck getting called out. You're not going to hear a constant flow of whats wrong with the Dems. Its all WTF is wrong with THEM!!
LuvLoogie
(8,917 posts)I think it's a New York Wall Street thing. I mean check Gillibrand's donors. Dem's got scared of AOC and Ilhan Omar, too.
I mean what could happen? What is everyone afraid of. The backlash takeover by a fascist, racist regime?
I don't think the entitled establishment get that regular folk have tuned them out and are in survival mode.
Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)Turn it all off.
electric_blue68
(27,353 posts)Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)I stand by my statement.
electric_blue68
(27,353 posts)Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)I haven't watched since 2003.
electric_blue68
(27,353 posts)Couldn't afford Cable.
Local Public Radio not run by NPR which I still like some. (NPR).
Various on line sites. Occasionally radio.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,486 posts)are powerful progressive voices. All now sounding the alarm about the fascism of MAGA.
Lawrence calls Trump stupid in the most intelligent & often amusing way. And he calls out all sorts of MAGA BS every day.
Ari presents facts in a true "we report, you decide" manner from a philosophical, hip-hop/rap-loving lawyer's perspective. Rachel is a national treasure. Chris is a passionate, no-nonsense analyst.
I would watch each of them every day if I had the time & access. If they were on in as many public spaces as Fox is we wouldn't be in this tragic mess.
SocialDemocrat61
(8,044 posts)She was cited several times during the Bush years for pushing disinformation about the Iraq war.
flashman13
(2,566 posts)NJCher
(43,536 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 29, 2025, 01:09 AM - Edit history (1)
That's a good enough description but I prefer "sex pest." It was pointed out to me by a fellow poster that this description is of British origins. It was used by another poster on this board.
Its only downfall is that it doesn't incorporate the corruption, which is most certainly a major part of his detestability. One of the worst areas he neglected was that of the vulnerable during Covid. People locked up in prison. People in nursing homes: 15,000 people died in nursing homes because of the way he handled this crisis.
Cuomo's sexual harrassment was extensive. Why I like "sex pest" so much is that he was forever stealing a kiss in public or fondling women in a "friendly" way. You don't fondle any woman in public. Plus he was always pulling that stuff at the office. Give me a break. Most of us have to work and we don't go there to fight off a pest.
Oh and what is he doing this weekend? He was seen heading out of town with a tall blonde. I think he blew something like $25 million on the campaign and this is how he delivers.
cadoman
(1,617 posts)Rather than tamping down our excitement.
We elected an amazing, diverse, young, handsome, progressive candidate with a clean background. If he does well he could be mayor of NYC for multiple terms and usher in a golden age of progress there.
people
(847 posts)Most U.S. senators and some representatives are very wealthy and their personal interests are not fully aligned with elected representatives who seriously want the democratic party to reflect and act upon the interests of those who survive paycheck to paycheck. And the wealthy senators and reps know others in the same class as themselves who also do not align with the interests of those who are scrambling. What other reason is there for not raising the income level of those with wealth so that the survival of the social security fund can be assured? Yes, republicans would block that but I do not hear any democrats fighting to require the wealthy to contribute fully to the ss fund. Why is there not medicare for all? Same reason. Why aren't there rent freezes? Why are hedge funds allowed to buy apt. buildings and then rent apts. out at high rates? And on and on. The timidity of too many democrats is in large part about the money.
AntiFascist
(13,756 posts)It's too bad that people like Bill Clinton supported Cuomo.
et tu
(2,387 posts)just saying~
ZDU
(1,417 posts)Thoughts sans prayers?
Uncle Joe
(65,548 posts)the corporate media is the CORPORATE media.
The center of the corporate media's universe will always be corporate and oligarch interests, first, last, and in the middle.
It's the business model.
Thanks for the thread Buddyzbuddy
Miami Blue
(379 posts)Mam-da-ni
Mam-da-ni
Mam-da-mi
💪🏻
quakerboy
(14,907 posts)Same reason MSNBC spent as much time on how expensive eggs were as they did on how bad it would be to give a corrupt fascist control of the government again leading up to the last election.
Who owns it? It really is that simple.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,914 posts)and who's running it, they still have some talent that is trying to get the truth out and for that reason I still tune in. But they are absolutely heading in the wrong direction.
AntiFascist
(13,756 posts)they have much more positive reporting.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)But who thinks fighting with each other is a winning strategy?
Evolve Dammit
(21,818 posts)karynnj
(61,102 posts)Having just centrists is not a big tent. As cam be seen by Bernie and AOC's events, sometimes progressives can reach people that can't be reached by some mainstream politicians.
Picaro
(2,440 posts)MSNBC only starts being safe to me starting at 4:00 CST/CDT then on through 11 pm.
Otherwise youve got Morning Joe in the morning. Then a cast of low lights including Katy Tur leading into the 4:00 slot (Nicole Wallace).
MSNBC has plenty of both-siders throughout the week. Weekends I avoid.
Warpy
(114,682 posts)and their Deep Thinkers think somebody with a Name that is well known because Mario Cuomo was a decent guy could make it all the way to the presidency while a nobody like Mandani will never have a chance. You know, they're HIghly Paid Strategists who consistently claim to seeThe Big Picture, and yes, they talk like all these cliches are capitalized.
One hopes they soon join buggy whips and corsets in relevance to the working of the universe.
snot
(11,848 posts)"Comcast has owned NBCUniversal and its various mass media subsidiaries since 2013. It is a high-volume producer of films for theatrical exhibition and television programming through its film studios: Universal Pictures, DreamWorks Animation, Illumination, and Focus Features. Its over-the-air national broadcast network channels include the National Broadcasting Company (one of the US' Big Three television networks), Spanish-language channels Telemundo, TeleXitos, and Universo, television stations like Cozi TV, multiple cable-only channels such as MSNBC, CNBC, USA Network, Syfy, Oxygen True Crime, Bravo, and E!. NBCUniversal also works in news (NBC News and Noticias Telemundo) and sports (NBC Sports and Telemundo Deportes), bolstered by its 1996 acquisition of professional sports company Spectacor. It owns the video-on-demand streaming service Peacock; its holdings in digital distribution include thePlatform, acquired in 2006; and ad-tech company FreeWheel, acquired in 2014. Comcast has been the parent company of Sky Group since 2018, when it dropped out of the running to buy 21st Century Fox, Sky's then-largest shareholder, and instead acquired the company from Fox and other shareholders. The company operates theme parks under its Universal Destinations & Experiences subsidiary.
"Comcast is criticized and put under intense public scrutiny for a variety of reasons. Its customer satisfaction ratings were among the lowest in the cable industry from 2008 to 2010.[12][13] It has violated net neutrality practices; it has offered a commitment to a narrow definition of net neutrality[14] that critics say ignores the difference between Comcast's private network services and the rest of the Internet.[15] Critics also note a lack of competition in the vast majority of Comcast's service areas; in particular, the limited competition among cable providers.[16] Given its negotiating power as a large ISP, some suspect that it could use paid peering agreements to unfairly influence end-user connection speeds. Comcast's ownership of both content production (in NBCUniversal) and distribution (as an ISP) has raised antitrust concerns that scuttled the company's 2014 effort to acquire Time Warner Cable. Comcast was dubbed "The Worst Company in America" by The Consumerist in 2010 and 2014.[17][18]"
More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast .
Follow the money.
brush
(61,033 posts)who is now saying he wants raise taxes in the wealthier neighborhoods of NYC, which is straight our of a socialist's playbook.
At 33 he's a bit naive. If your plan is raise taxes on wealthier New Yorkers, at least wait until you get elected to try that.
Now we're going to hear that a mllion times in rethug ads on social media, MSM and cable. Not smart.
Jack Valentino
(5,252 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,998 posts)I think democrats can think for themselves without censoring other opinions.
At least I can.
ificandream
(11,852 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 29, 2025, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)
You're going to hear opinions you don't agree with on an INTERVIEW SHOW. You're going to read diverse opinions you don't agree with on this site. Calm down, dude. Not everyone agrees with us. What we need to do is get our country back. One person's opinion isn't going to stop that unless we get freaked out and cower. People need to stop crowing like Chicken Little about diverse opinions. The power is within us to do something to stop it. Use the opinion to get motivated to do something -- not complain about MSNBC or CNN. They don't hold the power to make things change. We do.
ificandream
(11,852 posts)It's from the New York Times. And I'm putting it up as a gift article.
By Emma G. FitzsimmonsAlex Lemonides and Irineo Cabreros
June 29, 2025
Updated 9:55 a.m. ET
Upstart challengers in political races often begin with the goal of drawing new or disillusioned voters to their cause. They build excitement, often on social media, but inevitably fall short.
Zohran Mamdani proved different.
He hit the ground running in the mayors race, talking to disaffected New Yorkers in Queens and the Bronx who voted for President Trump. He repeatedly visited mosques to hear the concerns of Muslims, hoping to provide a reason for the uninvolved to register to vote.
He won over progressives with a populist message of making the city more affordable, in part by asking corporations and the wealthy to pay more, and he spread his vision through viral social media videos. He accumulated an army of volunteers and small donors, helping his campaign knock on more than one million doors.
Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/nyregion/zohran-mamdani-voters-strategy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Sk8.Pvn4.oqzJ9r42JVxt&smid=url-share
IbogaProject
(6,076 posts)And doubly so with their playground of NYC. I hope a bunch of them try moving to Miami just before a record breaking destructive hurricane.
Passages
(4,517 posts)Viewers should keep a check on whom they do not invite and what they do not talk about.
Deceiving by omission is no better than any other corporate media channel.
Skittles
(172,911 posts)but one thing I am sure of is the Democratic party needs CHANGE, and based on this election I think that sentiment is very much widespread
for whatever reason the mainstream media seems determined to not acknowledge this
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,439 posts)But given his advice, and the filth his successor vomits daily, how do we not know what to fight full throated?
The Media is opaque. They're a hindrance to the Fouth Estate. And we gave up reading with the new millennium. MSNBC is part of this guy's portfolio...


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