Mamdani and Cuomo

[yardwork]

Let's put our cards on the table.

The Democratic primary to select the Democrat who will run for mayor of NYC this fall happened, and a 32 year old Democratic Socialist pro-Palestinian Muslim whose family comes from India won. He won decisively. He won with a remarkably large turnout of young voters, a demographic the Democratic Party has been losing. By all accounts he ran a dynamic and smart campaign.

One of the other candidates who ran in the primary was Andrew Cuomo, the former governor of New York who was forced to resign due to numerous accusations of sexual harassment. Cuomo lost the Democratic primary for mayor of NYC. He lost decisively. He ran a lackluster campaign.

Cuomo is thinking about staying on the ballot this fall as an independent, along with NYC's current mayor, Adams, who would likely be in prison now for corruption if Trump hadn't intervened.

The Democratic voters in NYC have spoken, and they chose Mamdani. Now it's time for Democrats to get behind OUR candidate.

I don't vote in NY. If my city was important enough to make international news I'd be pissed as hell if outsiders were running down the Democratic candidate that we picked.

I'm shocked that Democratic politicians seem to be attempting to undermine Mamdani, apparently under the wishful impression that Cuomo could somehow win in the GE, emerging from a crowded field of independents and the usual horrible Republican. This is why we lose elections.

Many of us were appalled when Bernie Sanders' supporters did EXACTLY this in 2016. We think it contributed to Trump's win. Many of us were appalled when many Democratic voters turned their backs on Kamala Harris in 2024 because her position on I/P wasn't good enough. We see how that worked out.

Don't do what you deplore. Stop the circular firing squad.

"Thank you for your attention to this matter." (A little humor.)

[Emile]

1. Kick

[yardwork]

2. Thanks.

[walkingman]

3. I totally agree with you. I am much more concerned with what is happening

to our nation that any other nation on the planet. This is where I live.

It's not like I don't have empathy for other people around the world because I do, but I am literally watching this nation becoming almost unrecognizable and that is no exaggeration.

I saw the same thing happen to Texas. First George W Bush was elected as Governor and now 30 years later it has been a constant stream of people like him that have taken over the state to the point that it truly is unrecognizable.

If we don't stop this infighting within our party then it really might go beyond the point of no return.

[yardwork]

4. Thanks. We are in a crisis.

We can choose to stop doing what isn't working or we can double down and keep doing what fails.

[SocialDemocrat61]

5. Yes it is!

[bdamomma]

6. I think

we need not to follow the status quo, and do the same things over and over again, the definition of insanity. I wish I was a New Yorker, to vote for Mamdani who seems to get it and is for the people. We have some evil people in our government which have to be rooted out, even some career politicians who show they are for working for their donors and not us. I hate how they are smearing Mamdani because he is a Muslim, they are bringing up Islamophobia again, crap when is this going to stop. We all have the same color of blood RED!!!

We need more people like AOC, Crockett, Maxwell Frost, David Hogg, Malcolm Kenyatta, Jason Jones to name a few. The old guard must step aside we are not living in that same world any longer, and give these new ideas and people come into the forefront.

[tulipsandroses]

7. I agree. I am appalled at the support for Cuomo. I grew up in NY. I no longer live in NY for the key reason Mamdani

is campaigning on. Affordability.
I live in GA now. I knew I could never be able to afford a home when I left several years ago. Since living in GA, I've bought 2 homes. Sold the first one, moved to FL, then moved back to GA and bought another one. The housing market is not what it used to be in GA anymore, but still beats NY in leaps and bounds in terms of affordability.

It was disheartening to hear Gov Hochul say that she does not intend to raise taxes on the wealthy. This is the disconnect that is driving younger folks.
Her excuse was she doesn't want to raise taxes on anyone and raising taxes on the wealthy might force them to move to Palm Beach.
I like Gov Hochul a lot. But that is not going to sit well with the folks struggling.
While you are saying you don't want wealthy folks, leaving, I am guessing she was referring to not wanting businesses to leave, everyday NYers are leaving and moving to other places because they cannot afford to live in NY.

One of the reasons GA turned blue a few cycles ago, more purple now I guess - is that so many NYers live here now.
Saying you don't want to raise taxes out of fear that wealthy people may leave is not a winning message.
I am not going to beat up on Gov Hochul. I like her. But my point is, the affordability message is a winning message for many NYers and if you've never lived in NY, I don't think you get how serious the housing issue is.
I have never known anyone in NY that lived alone. It is too expensive. Most people live with family or have room mates. If you live alone, it is in a tiny box that you still pay an arm, a leg and your whole damn body for.

Cuomo needs to do the right thing and just go away. Democratic politicians need to stop trying to malign Mamdani. It is disgusting.

[yardwork]

8. Thank you. A lot of Democrats don't recognize how discouraged young people feel.

We can't keep living in our bubbles and wring our hands at young people and ethnic minorities who are moving away from the Democratic Party. We need to talk to them, support their candidates, and give them reasons to hope.

The default old guard DNC message seems to be "we're better than Trump" and that's not good enough. In fact it makes people mad.

[W_HAMILTON]

9. When Democrats inevitably coalesce around the Democratic mayoral nominee, will those you mentioned in 2016/2024...

...do the same for our other Democratic candidates going forward? Or will they pull the same shit they did in 2016/2024?

If they are upset by how a small handful of Democrats are speaking out against Mamdani, in a super blue city where the Democrat will most likely win regardless, I would hope they would reflect on the damage they did when they acted the same way to our Democratic presidential candidates in the past.

PS - The circular firing squads need to stop, but a ceasefire requires both sides to come to the table and agree to it. Hopefully they will.

[yardwork]

10. I can't control what they do. I can only control what I do.

[W_HAMILTON]

12. Well, when you see it happen, you can speak out against them the same way you are speaking out now.

[yardwork]

14. As you may know, I haven't been shy at all about speaking out against this.

I'm on record in terms of speaking out against this, since 2016 and before.

[Nixie]

11. 1,000,000 of the voters have spoken. There are 5,000,000 voters

in the general. That’s what I heard Cuomo saying about the current situation on a YouTube interview after the primary loss.

It doesn’t look like he put in a lot of effort to campaign, so who knows what will happen with him. But that’s his interpretation of the primary. Apparently he thinks the other 4,000,000 voters haven’t spoken.

[yardwork]

16. Apparently he thinks the office should be handed to him.

I was surprised and appalled that he ran. Read the room, dude.

If the DNC is unhappy that Mamdani won they have nobody to blame but themselves. Run a better candidate next time. Stop acting like voters can be bullied.

[Nixie]

23. This is another situation that has been overcome by events when you

consider that a convicted felon sexual abuser was elected to the highest office. Trump makes Cuomo look pretty tame and Cuomo is testing the waters.

Cuomo is a Democrat and has proven he is/was electable. Plus he scraps against republicans. Maybe the Democratic Socialists will learn to do that instead of the preferred attacks on our party that are proven losers.

[yardwork]

24. Seems like the Democratic Socialists scored a win here.

[Mosby]

13. Sampling bias.

He won with a less than 30% turnout of registered voters.

The youth vote only seems large because the overall turnout was shit, which apparently is typical for NYC voters.

[yardwork]

15. He won the primary.

Hillary Clinton won the primary in 2016 and no amount of coulda shoulda woulda was going to magically give the nomination to the other guy.

Same here.

[Mosby]

18. Sure.

Not my problem what New York people do.

[Nixie]

20. There were constant threats of "Independents" undercutting her, though.

She never had a moment’s peace. She was constantly attacked from all sides. That seemed to be okay for her to handle. We were told independents were just critiquers and she really needed to be critiqued.

[yardwork]

21. Exactly. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

[JI7]

17. I agree that democrats should support him

but Bernie Sanders to this day is still pushing bs about the 2016 primary and about Hillary and Kamala.

Another thing is Mandani heavily campaigned on identity politics. Both his Muslim and Indian(south Asian) background. When they say he won the Asian vote I'm sure it's mostly south asians. He didn't really campaign on issues with these groups either but rather just things appealing on common cultural connections. These people usually don't vote in the primary. But they did this time and that's why he won without the usual traditional democratic groups.

I don't see anything wrong with the above but it goes against the bs from Sanders who keeps spewing bs.

[yardwork]

22. My opinion of Sanders is a matter of long record.

My point with this OP is to ask people not to do what we deplore just because we're on the other side of it.

If it's not about tribalism, sides, or identity politics it should be about logic, right?

Logic says we support the duly nominated candidate even if they weren't our first choice. Many of us are furious that some Democrats didn't do that in 2016 and 2024.

[jcmaine72]

19. +1