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Max 🇺🇸 ☯
@maximumeffort433.bsky.social
Republicans pass major, incredibly damaging legislation.
BlueSky lines up to flagellate the Democrats.
Maybe, and this is crazy, maybe our refusal to hold REPUBLICANS accountable for REPUBLICAN harm is why REPUBLICANS HAVE FULL CONTROL OF CONGRESS.
I dunno, just an idea.
Skittles
(172,892 posts)Dems are being trashed on BlueSky for this Ugly Bill bullshit???
sheshe2
(98,466 posts)I am new to Bluesky and not sure how to search topics being discussed.
mcar
(46,366 posts)Skittles
(172,892 posts)you know, because that would be such a winning strategy
Fiendish Thingy
(24,098 posts)Its not an either or situation, and theres plenty of criticism to go around, on different things for different reason.
I do agree that, today at least, the evil in the OBBB should get the spotlight.
Skittles
(172,892 posts)why Dems would get trashed over that piece of shit Big Ugly Bill? Didn't they all vote against it?
Fiendish Thingy
(24,098 posts)But, as the example in the OP shows, over the inept messaging on the damage the bill will do.
And, of course not all Dems, but certainly some Dems deserve the scorn coming their way.
Skittles
(172,892 posts)and it's not easy to do when the mainstream media is pretty much owned by rightwing hacks
MSM is far too invested in their Dems in disarray crap to actually show their resistance.
Skittles
(172,892 posts)obeying in advance......or simply in collusion
sheshe2
(98,466 posts)What the OP is saying is that some people feel the need to bash Democrats and only D's. We have Hogg only interested in primarying DEMOCRATS with his mountains of cash!
"Why are they NOT doing anything."
"Why aren't they doing their F**KING JOBS!"
"ONLY A**,B***** and J****** are out there fighting for us!!!"
When you point out the town halls, Senate and Congressional hearings when they are ripping the likes of Noem, Bondi, Hegseth and more to shreds all you get in response is...ya but, They Need to do More!
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)sheshe2
(98,466 posts)on my feed because that's who I follow.
However I am sure there is the same amount of Dem blame/shaming. Similar to what I read here.
mcar
(46,366 posts)Who spend way more time trashing Democrats than Republicans.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)sheshe2
(98,466 posts)progressoid
(53,387 posts)are echo chambers.
If you comment, view, follow cat videos; you'll start to see more and more cat videos. The same goes for political posts.
mcar
(46,366 posts)Reading DU and Bluesky, one comes to the conclusion that this is all Biden/Dems fault.
Oh, don't forget that the 'establishment' Dems and oldsters need to step down immediately and let the new kids on the block take over!
Cha
(320,604 posts)TY, she
sheshe2
(98,466 posts)You're welcome!
SocialDemocrat61
(8,037 posts)democrats are responsible for roe being overturned, especially Obama. Democrats are responsible for Trump winning. Democrats are responsible for every bad thing republicans do. At least according to Jill Stein voters and the like. They never blame republicans for anything or even take any responsibility for their own actions. They hate democrats more than anyone else.
sheshe2
(98,466 posts)Ilikepurple
(794 posts)Yes, asking Democratic Party leaders to alter tactics is exactly why Republicans have full control of congress?
presented as an argument but really just a suggestion that rests on a false dichotomy. I have a hard time with the syllogism presented
Republicans pass damaging legislation
Democrats criticize their party for not doing more to stop it
Refusal to hold republicans accountable by Democratic Party voters has given them control of congress
The missing premise is if citizen democrats would criticize the republican party more and leave their own party leaders alone, then republicans wouldnt control congress today. Its really doing all the work here, the rest is designed to stir up emotion (also flagellate, refusal?). A rhetorical device for sure, but Id rather hear the argument. The blue sky poster knows it reads better when implied than explicit. This isnt an argument that the readers are wrong if theyre critical of your leaders, its simply asking them to shut up. I guess thats okay with some, but I tend to demand more rigorous reasoning for my silence and acquiescence.
How is the average blue sky poster going to hold republicans accountable in an echo chamber of mostly fellow democrats? Im not saying dont hold Republicans accountable wherever you can, but if our leaders hold no power over them, what power do we have? Sometimes, you try to change what you can. Isnt that the same argument given in defense of party leadership? I think when youve voted to give your voice to a representative, its okay to have to make suggest In how to use that voice to fight for our shared principals. Its their right not to listen and all of our rights to vote our conscience. Collectively, we have a voice, but it will be better heard when lead by those who have daily access to the media? It seems the people who want Democratic voters to leave their representatives alone and direct their energies at republican politicians also would rather direct their energies at putatively recalcitrant Democratic Party voters. Or should I say progressives?
Its hard to think this isnt mostly an argument to silence the more progressive segments of the party just as the more progressive segments see the present as an opportunity to get their voices heard and gain more control. There is certainly an argument to be had there, but this isnt it.
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