While I love both of them, I will never forgive two of my favorite Democrats.

[Ferrets are Cool]

Kamala for not demanding recounts and Al for not contesting the results of 2000.

This shit "might" not be happening now if either or both had challenged the results of those two bogus elections.

[SheilaAnn]

1. Couldn't agree more. Why did she concede so soon and was she threatened? I'll never understand. n/t

[Biophilic]

2. They still believed the myth about the importance of uniting the country.

They also believed there were “good” people on the other side, people who supposedly believed in the myth of the United States. They know better now. As do we.

[CTyankee]

3. I think you may be right. I hope so.

But we can't forget that Kamala was late coming in! I hate to say this, but Biden should have given her a better chance at winning by backing out after his incident during the debate. It broke my heart to see that right on live TV.

[Dave says]

7. I remember watching the debate

I texted my brother “we lost, it’s over” less than 5 minutes into it. It was heartbreaking as I thought Biden to be amongst the better Presidents we’ve had. (I still think that.) He got so much done despite having to battle repugnant Repubs in Congress. (Same can be said for Obama, too.)

[CrispyQ]

11. IMO, he lost the election that night. The media was never going to let him overcome that.

I'm angry at the entire Democratic Party, including Biden, for the finger pointing & criticizing of the Harris campaign. She should have done this & she shouldn't have done that & blah fucking blah. Then Biden came out & said he thought he would have won. OMG! He would have lost by more, IMO. I changed to unaffiliated that day. Sorry dems but she ran a practically flawless campaign & did it in 90 days. Who else has ever done that? I'll vote dem & give money & time to progressive issues, but the party needs to do something & stat! IDK what. That's above my pay grade, but maybe they could start by hiring a marketing company. Hell, if they paid one person to read DU every day they'd get a ton of good ideas.

[edhopper]

4. The Supreme Court

decided the 2000 election. Gore would not have gotten the recount. They decided to install GWB.

[CrispyQ]

5. I don't believe the 2024 election was stolen, much as I'd like to.

I believe that racism, misogyny, misinformation, & disenfranchisement were the factors & here's why. 6.3 million people who voted for Biden didn't turn out for Harris. If it weren't for that figure, I could possibly buy a stolen election.

[Bengus81]

8. I don't either. She lost 8% or so of the womens vote compared to Biden

I don't think there was any rigging,she just lost by a mere 2M votes. Fuck everyone who voted for Trump and now regrets it on TV or in the news.

[Hope22]

13. T , Elon and his little child all admit it was fixed...

Amazing, when they tell you believe it!

[CrispyQ]

14. Elon takes credit for lots of things he hasn't done. Trump, too.

Believe what you want, but maybe they wanted us to go down the same crazy road they went down in 2020 & question the legitimacy of the 2024 election so then Trump could call into question the legitimacy of the 2020 election. That's still a thorn in his paw, that he lost.

[Mariana]

19. Vague statements by known liars.

[Hope22]

21. I won't argue with you..

In 15 years or so when it all comes out as it will, most of us won’t be here. I’m sick of witnessing their thievery and turning a cheek. Have a great day. Funny how you know that I am wrong but who knows?Not your fault …………..as far as I know I can still have an opinion. When the thought police come I’m certain to be in good company.

[Wiz Imp]

6. Sigh. Demanding recounts would not have changed the result of the election.

And in 2000, Once the Supreme Court made their proclamation, there was nothing for Gore to do to change it. Quit blaming the Democratic candidates.

[themaguffin]

9. You sound like them. There is always fuckery with them, but focus on the actual fuckery

[HelpImSurrounded]

10. Whaaaaaat???

I thought this was heresy here.

I thought Nader cost Gore the election. I thought that was the only allowable truth on this matter here.

[CrispyQ]

16. I didn't think it was decided that Nader cost Gore the election. Personally I think Lieberman did. -nt

[NoRethugFriends]

17. Nasty post

And Nader did cost the election.

[Shrek]

18. Not possible

Nader has a single vote, just like everyone else.

Voters have agency, and if they voted for someone other than Gore then the fault is with them and not Nader.

[NoRethugFriends]

20. And voters couild have voted against Hitler. The original one.

But not Hitler's fault for running. He only had one vote.

[Hope22]

12. That and the * Blackwell debacle in Ohio...

How long have they been stealing elections? This is a particularly depressing day. The cold hard truth, the reality that we know but have been forced to ignore. It’s hard……

[karynnj]

15. Al Gore fought until the Supreme Court essentially made Bush president

As Gore once said there was no legal appeal beyond that, leaving just revolution
Revolution was so unthinkable he did not even have to say that unlike Trump 2020.

As to Harris, she lost PA, MI, WI, AZ and NC all of whom had Democratic governors and secretaries of state. Elections are run by the states.