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erronis

(23,771 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:02 AM Jul 2025

Concentration Camp Labor Cannot Become Normal -- Timothy Snyder

https://snyder.substack.com/p/concentration-camp-labor

With the passage of Trump's death bill, we face the prospect of many great harms, including an archipelago of concentration camps across the United States.

Concentration camps are sites of tempting slave labor. Among many other aims, the Soviets used concentration camp labor to build canals and work mines. The Nazi German concentration camp system followed a capitalist version of the same logic: it drew in businesses with the prospect of inexpensive labor.

We know this and have no excuse not to act.

What happens next in the U.S.? Workers who are presented as "undocumented" will be taken to the camps. Perhaps they will work in the camps themselves, as slaves to government projects. But more likely they will be offered to American companies on special terms: a one-time payment to the government, for example, with no need for wages or benefits. In the simplest version, and perhaps the most likely, detained people will be offered back to the companies for which they were just working. Their stay in the concentration camp will be presented as a purge or a legalization for which companies should be grateful. Trump has already said that this is the idea, calling it "owner responsibility."

We should remember what drew I.G Farben into Auschwitz: profit. But there are of course precedents for extreme exploitation in American history, including but not limited to the history of chattel slavery. And slavery is not entirely illegal in the United States. The Thirteenth Amendment allows slavery if only as punishment for a crime. The people described as "undocumented" or "denaturalized" (and other categories sure to be invented soon) are portrayed as criminals.

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Concentration Camp Labor Cannot Become Normal -- Timothy Snyder (Original Post) erronis Jul 2025 OP
Life sentences im sure! sunflowerseed Jul 2025 #1
Nobody is going to do anything about it. Klarkashton Jul 2025 #2
Puh-leeze, has this man visited a prison, any prison lately? indusurb Jul 2025 #3
That is exactly why TommyT139 Jul 2025 #7
Just because prison labor is constitutional doesn't mean it's not slave labor WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2025 #12
Good Lord, of course it is. TommyT139 Jul 2025 #13
It's the same bad Republican Wall math at work... Hugin Jul 2025 #4
Trump and his rich psychopaths plan to do just this. travelingthrulife Jul 2025 #5
Such an archipelago moondust Jul 2025 #6
The USSR's didn't. Igel Jul 2025 #8
Been a long time moondust Jul 2025 #10
Bookmarking cuz I fear you are correct. TommyT139 Jul 2025 #14
K&R. Was just about to post this, but searched first... highplainsdem Jul 2025 #9
And here we thought we had learned from the internment camps of WW II - not to mention the concentration camps UTUSN Jul 2025 #11

Klarkashton

(5,274 posts)
2. Nobody is going to do anything about it.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jul 2025

We have armed masked goons roaming the streets beating anyone that so much as looks at them. Nobody is doing anything about it.

indusurb

(341 posts)
3. Puh-leeze, has this man visited a prison, any prison lately?
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:26 AM
Jul 2025

Slave or near slave labor is the norm, and some of our biggest corporations are the beneficiaries.

TommyT139

(2,348 posts)
7. That is exactly why
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 11:23 AM
Jul 2025

...he is reminding us that ICE concentration camps do not fall under the same category.

Since ICE abductees have not been convicted of a crime, it will be a violation of the Constitution for them to be used as slave labor.

TommyT139

(2,348 posts)
13. Good Lord, of course it is.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 04:00 PM
Jul 2025

But slave labor of convicted criminals is not something that can be immediately challenged in court.

Hugin

(37,836 posts)
4. It's the same bad Republican Wall math at work...
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:40 AM
Jul 2025

They’ve given him a taste with their charter gulag and now he’s going to want it all.

The facility the Trumpanzees have been so eager to get the ovens fired up in can maybe accommodate 1000 so-called detainees.

To hold the 22 million illegals Trump and Miller see under their beds it’s going to take 22,000 such camps.

Get this, they have no plans for what they are going to do once they have rounded them up. When asked how long they would be detained by a reporter, Trump’s answer was a classic textbook dementia word salad.

So, yes, chain gangs are probably already on the table.

moondust

(21,283 posts)
6. Such an archipelago
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 11:17 AM
Jul 2025

will need a large force to keep so many slaves, er "criminals" in line and prevent them from running away like slaves used to do.

And so...the new bill will make ICE the largest "law enforcement" agency in the land.

Maybe next they'll pass a Fugitive Slave Act to help keep the "criminals" where they belong. And some slave patrols would also help.

MAGA like 1850.

Igel

(37,516 posts)
8. The USSR's didn't.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:25 PM
Jul 2025

And it had a set of post-release oppressions clauses built in.

Most of the "camps" weren't prisons. Sure, there might be jail time or time in a camp. You might be released from the camp to work for a factory, maybe work in agriculture, perhaps a work gang for road-building, construction, or mining. That's bad enough.

But after officially "free" you'd be tied by residency registration laws. Not allowed to move without the "militia's" approval, and that approval not permitted, they were stuck there or wherever you were granted residency. (The "police" are capitalist and serve the capitalist power structure, they taught, so they had a "militia".) In some cases they could move to an approved larger town or city, but seldom one that was important. Residency formally granted, with restrictions, the opportunity to work and have an apt. Work opportunities were still limited because the government had to approve your hiring--as well as your living space. Can't have the wrong people in sensitive positions. Oh--and not having a job when you were physically fit, even because the government refused to let you be hired, was the crime of "parasitism"; a good citizen must contribute to society with his (or her) labor. Moreover, released prisoners were still required to report to what amounts to a kind of probation officer--don't check in and an order for your arrest was issued, just in case you decided to leave town, go underground and stay with friends and relatives. The end result was that the GULag, even after a "thug" was released, provided monitoring, provided a captive workforce. Factories and industries could be placed in a town with the all-wise planners knowing they'd have a dedicated workforce--dedicated by those who know how to run society to benefit "the people".

It was a nice scam, all around.

moondust

(21,283 posts)
10. Been a long time
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:07 PM
Jul 2025

since I read the Gulag Archipelago. Awful.

One difference back then was that it took place under the umbrella of well-established totalitarianism where everybody was, as you point out, under the thumb of the government. I've heard that there was also a lot of snitching in the USSR.

Another factor IMO is that I believe the Gulags were often out in Siberia. Even if a person could escape the Gulag, where could they go in a country almost twice the size of the next largest country? And how would they get anywhere? And how many other countries spoke Russian? All that would seem to severely limit one's options even without heavy enforcement.

Many of the immigrants in the U.S., on the other hand, obviously have experience with migrating across borders and evading capture. Thus the need for more troops to keep them in place.

UTUSN

(77,699 posts)
11. And here we thought we had learned from the internment camps of WW II - not to mention the concentration camps
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:58 PM
Jul 2025
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