Elsewhere here tonight there is discussion about 2028 Dem candidates. The usual, but interesting palaver about Mayor...

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......Pete, Kamala again, and why Hillary lost. Also the usual commentary about conservative, Repub heads exploding. All good fun. But it has me remembering when Bill Clinton won and he and Hillary were heading to the White House. There was talk about how competent she was, how smart and accomplished, and how she wouldn't just be the usual "first lady", but a partner. Even the term "dual presidency" was used. The Right Wing lost their minds, and we sort of forgot about the depth of their hatred in 2016 when we gave her the nomination.

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1. As someone noted on a meme I once saw on Facebook,

Orange Julius Caesar has never won an election against a man (Biden), only women (Clinton, Harris). Is 'Mur'ca even ready yet for a woman President? I'm amazed to this day we elected a Black President. I never expected to see that in my lifetime.

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2. You're new, so you were not here during the 2016 primaries or the GE

This was pointed out and discussed; we do not relitigate that election cycle here. It was the equivalent of a civil war and is best relegated to the past. We even have a DU alert rule about it.
Many of us were alive and adults during Bill's terms, and so we're very well versed on the demonization of Hilary, which actually started during the GE campaign in 92 against Bush the Elder...remember the 60 Minutes "stand by your man" comment, that they successfully marketed as an insult to country music and family values? Yea.

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3. So help this newbie out then. The "usual but interesting" palaver about Pete, Kamala and Hillary that I referred to.....

.......is something that one might expect to see "alerted" here as being counterproductive?? Or maybe even my mentioning it as a historical footnote??

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4. Read the TOS, and enjoy your stay.

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5. Read it (again) and still don't understand.

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6. GAVE her the nomination?

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She won it outright, propelled to the nomination by we, the voters.

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7. We Democrats, with our support and votes through the primaries, gave her the nomination.

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9. She wasn't GIVEN the nomination -- she WON the nomination.

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10. OK, I see where this is going. Nevermind.

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8. de rec

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11. ????? Did you "rec" and then "de rec" ?? I'd understand completely as my OP really never got off the ground, did it?