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(51,122 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)rather than "why when non-white males go on spree killings do we find another name for it?"
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)I believe he shot people on a subway (he shot some black teenagers) - I could be wrong.
-Paige
On Edit: His name is actually Colin Ferguson. He apparently killed six in a train station. More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(mass_murderer)
-Paige
malaise
(269,157 posts)who went to a very good school
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)with the OP. It's just when the question was asked, Ferguson popped into me head.
-P
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)just messing with you
merry x-mas, malaise
i hope all is well in the tropics tonight
malaise
(269,157 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)serial killer of children (and a few adults).
Serial killers kill their victims over a period of weeks, months or years, while spree killers go on a one-time blowout, usually with gun(s), and kill a bunch of people all at once or, sometimes, on a spree that only lasts for a few days as they run from police.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So he went to DC and started killing a bunch of people, using that Malvo kid as the shooter. His plan was to shoot his wife, so she'd be assumed to be yet another "random" victim and the crime wouldn't be traced back to him, since the cops always look at family first when someone dies, ordinarily.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They had changed their names to be middle eastern, but they were Af. American. Although they may have been foreign.
They were called and treated just like other snipers. There have been quite a few, most of them white, I think.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)are considered first and foremost "terrorist" and menaces to society.
The word "terrorist" has a specific meaning, and trying to muddy it up in order to inject race into this particular discussion is not helpful, imo.
That said, I certainly understand a Black person's frustration with how they are treated in the injustice system.
jillan
(39,451 posts)of mental illness.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)I never hear them used as an example of mental illness. Especially when there are so many cases that clearly have a mental illness component, no matter the race or sex of the person. Adam Lanza being a prime example.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)The official Mayor of ATL is @KasimReed
Lex
(34,108 posts)(yeah, I know, it's just his twitter name)
Bok_Tukalo
(4,323 posts)One is commercial, one is political, and one is Solipsism.
is nothing more than a racist tweet. Killers are all treated as a menace to society. Would it make him feel better if a black man goes on a mass shooting so we could then ask why and look at him under a microscope? Most of the recent mass shooters where white and as it turns out insane.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Nope. No racism here, folks...
do tell where I was racist. Should we just say they are misunderstood. Also you tellin me that anybody shooting up dozens of people are not insane? I didn't say mentally ill I said insane or is insanity now off limits too?
billh58
(6,635 posts)point Bubba (I assume you missed the point, but maybe not). It is NOT the actual differences between mass murderers that the tweet is calling out, but the way the differences are portrayed by the fucking press. Get it?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)2009 Binghamton NY shootings, killer Asian. This is off the top of my head. Seems there is no specific group immune from having killers among them, but every group shares the need to claim it is 'just those people' who do such things.
Nay
(12,051 posts)categorized as serial killers. Hasan/VA Tech shooter, and Lanza, are spree killers.
brush
(53,859 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)brush
(53,859 posts)The percentage I quoted is too high but the article is worth a read.
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/would_the_u_s_government_profile_white_men/
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Such as the OP.
Another example of wrong thinking: The Sandy Hook killer was insane, therefore pointing out that fact is a slur on anyone with mental health issues.
More? Obama is a Democrat, therefore Obama is a Liberal/Progressive and is good for us and can do no wrong.
How about this? Knock-offs of military weapons in civilians hands, changes them from assault weapons, into normal hunting rifles, even though they still look and fire the same as the assault weapons they look like, with the simple addition of a rubber band.
I'm sure other DU'ers can come up with a lot more example of wrong thinking on DU.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it is generally true that blacks who murder others, especially whites are seen and usually described in regard to the general black population as a total menace to general society. Whereas a lanza type is seen as an aberration because they were "troubled". Don't have to inject racism when it is already present in general societal thinking. This 'mayor' has a point to make and he/she made it. I have no problem with it.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)I can list off hundreds of examples of the tweet being correct.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I have a feeling that you will call every post/thread that recognizes disparate racial treatment as racist.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Advanced by Fox News and far more nefarious groups. Any mention of race is "playing the race card" or "racist," unless they are complaining about how whites are the victims of endless racism; that, they think, is legitimate. I sometimes feel like I've entered bizarro world.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Does any recognition of race = racist?
I'm curious how you see this in that way. Maybe you'll come back and explain.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)are a bullshit artist.
McDiggy
(150 posts)A perfect example are the DC snipers. I would certainly consider Lee Boyd Malvo more a psychologically unstable kid than his "master" John Allen Muhammad, who I would consider a straight up terrorist.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Malvo was considered a menace, before he was considered psychologically unstable and Muhammad was never considered psychologically unstable (despite the fact he obvious is/was).
Nay
(12,051 posts)serial killers (Wayne Williams, for example), but I can't think of any Black spree killers (like Lanza, Loughner, etc.).
And even if you can find one or two Black spree or serial killers, these categories are still almost entirely filled with white males.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Where Charles Lee "Cookie" Thorton shot two police officers, the Mayor, two city council members, the public works director, and a reporter. Five dead and two wounded
This one was different than most in that Thornton had a clear motive: revenge. The City of Kirkwood harassed him over a long period and forced him out of business. Thornton had just lost a suit against the City.
That's different from the ones with the highest body counts, which usually have motives that are mostly in the minds of the shooter, which is exactly why they're called insane.
Nay
(12,051 posts)that -- I assume that a clear motive makes it just another run-of-the-mill murder-for-revenge case for the local authorities to clear up. IIRC, revenge killings can escalate into spree killing (for example, if an employee shot the boss who fired him, but then also went out and shot strangers at random as he fled the police. That would be a person who was "decompensating," or losing the ability to control himself rationally, and ending up not just shooting the boss, but attacking anyone who was anywhere around for no reason at all except he was in destruct mode.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)The FBI classifies an armed action as a mass shooting if four or more people, not including the gunman, are killed. They might have other criteria, I don't know. The one that just happened in Pennsylvania? A mass shooting. The motive apparently doesn't enter into it.
Nay
(12,051 posts)categories according to specific characteristics of a shooting.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Why when a Black man kills, ALL Black folk as a generalized group, are a menace to society. When a Foreign man kills, ALL Foreigners as a generalized group are terrorist. But when a White man kills, he is first an INDIVIDUAL, not representative of the whole, and then, pyschologocally unstable.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)You never hear calls for white men being profiled as unstable serial killers, yet 98% of serial killers are white males.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Exactly.
jillan
(39,451 posts)white men.
And I am saying this as a white woman!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)"superiority" by chance of birth. Being a white woman is a far different experience than a black woman, as well. Being a rich kid is different than a poor kid. It is possible to observe differences and social facts without being a racist, (or a reverse racist, whatever that is) or sexist, et al. One cannot deal with a situation properly or effectively without noticing, understanding and acceptance. Then comes progress.
qanda
(10,422 posts)Exactly!
treestar
(82,383 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)who pushed someone to their death on the NY subway had been widely described as psychologically unstable.
Nay
(12,051 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he was widely described as mentally ill ... Big difference.
The former used to indicate a permanent condition; the latter indicates a condition treatable/temporary with the right doctor or the right lawyer, if one has the right skin color.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)As well as the fact that one's condition left him homeless and another's perhaps coddled by his mother, instead of treated.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)You'd first have to find a black guy who did a mass shooting in a school or public place that, for no reason connected to his life, kills 5-30+ innocent bystanders.
There was that case in Kirkwood, Missouri, the shooting at city hall. However, the history of harassment by the City of Kirkwood, and the fact that they put the guy into financial ruin, does offer an obvious criminal motive.
And that's the real difference. If the motive isn't robbery, revenge or jealousy or any other that's obviously criminal, and if the targets seem remotely connected or unconnected to the shooter, it's likely mental illness.
Added on Edit: Just to say, I recognize the disparate treatments the different races receive discussion of crimes, I just don't think this particular one is accurate. When we have a Black spree killer who had a history of mental illness, we'll see.
bucolic_frolic
(43,286 posts)They don't rise to the level of terrorism?
There's not a conspiracy supplying these weapons?
Are we safe?
The CCC
(463 posts)Those terms aren't mutually exclusive.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)bigbadR
(49 posts)The white race particularly white men have been historically and continue to be the most destructive group on planet earth. Their power, control and influence must become impotent or the human race will be an evolutionary dead end. Perhaps this is inevitable regardless of who is in power and control, perhaps this self destruction is hardwired into our DNA. But, really I think it is sociopolitical in nature and not an inherent biological problem. If so we can correct it again by destroying the influence of people with empirical, neocon, neoliberal, authoritarian and totalitarian ideas. Time to clean house, our very survival depends on it.
radhika
(1,008 posts)against those black social menaces and those foreign terrorists.
jillan
(39,451 posts)mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)not saying it is right, just that he is CORRECT!