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DeeDeeNY

(3,964 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 12:34 PM Jul 2025

How do children in right-wing/Magat families finally break free of the indoctrination? It can't be easy.

Rodgers and Hammerstein refused to back down from the severe blowback they received after their song 'You've Got to be Carefully Taught' appeared in their hit Broadway musical South Pacific back in 1949. But that song is as relevant today as it was then.
The opening words: 'You've Got to be Taught to Hate and Fear'

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Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
1. I don't know. In my own family, I have a brother
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 12:39 PM
Jul 2025

who is 100% MAGAt, but he wasn't raised that way. His political leanings developed in middle age after previous decades of no political interest whatsoever. His friends/social circle and Facebook were the main drivers, IMO.

JT45242

(4,140 posts)
2. I'll only speak to evangelicals and not MAGAts in general
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 12:56 PM
Jul 2025

For the children, it was often about teh cognitive dissonance about being told whom to hate and who the kids already had relationships that they knew these as good people.

I grew up in the acapella Church of Christ and attended that denomination and even Abilene Christian University for a year.

The sheer weight of the hypocrisy and the hatred towards gays and women was what drove me away to a different denomination and theology.

I had many gay friends who lived moral lives -- they didn't lie, cheat, steal, commit acts of violence, etc. But they were condemned and humiliated in church. I knew some that even attempted suicide over the psychological abuse (and I didn't know any who were actually sent to conversion therapy). On the other hand, business people whom I knew exploited their workers and cheated them of their pay were OK.

They were like white washed tombs on the outside and full of rottenness on the inside to quote Jesus' attacks on the Pharisees.

I knew many women who were capable of leading in the church, but they were not allowed to. Even though there are examples of women leading in the official book of ACTS and many more in the non-canon second book of the first century church, misogyny pushed Paul's prooftexted admonitions about women to keep them from power.

For me it came to a head when I was at ACU in the life and teaching of Jesus class when I asked the Professor what Jesus would do with the MILLIONS of dollars spent on an obelisk in front of the new building for the Bible Studies department. Would Jesus have spent money on an obelisk that is on the highest hill in town that is lit up at night that says 'let your light shine like a light upon the hill' or would he have built a soup kitchen, homeless shelter, or something like that? The response from the Religion professor was:"The alumni wanted the obelisk and that is what they donated for." I repeated, "I do not think you understood what I was asking. I want to know what you think Jesus would do with that money, not what the alumni wanted." He repeated as if he had been told to parrot the line "The alumni wanted to build the obelisk." I asked one more time (as I heard the chairs of others in class moving away from me because I was making them uncomfortable), "You said and it was clear that when Jesus first came into town he healed the sick, drove out demons, and met the needs of the people on his way to the temple and THEN he started preaching. It would seem that the equivalent here would be some way of dealing with hunger, poverty, homeless, or something like that. What would Jesus do with that $5 million?"

I never got a satisfactory answer. I left after that year disappointed that although I loved the people in my congregation back home, that I could not reconcile that the denomination was so far from Jesus' teachings. Similar thing took many years for Jimmy Carter to say basically the same thing about the Southern Baptists.

That's my story. I found a denomination that supports LGBTQ+, women clergy, and living out Matthew 25 and the two great commandments. I have used vacation time to go on mission work trips to help after flooding or derechos, plant and weed community gardens, clean out overgrown cemetaries of African Americans that were long neglected by white owners, and so many more projects. We don't preach. We go to help like Jesus would. We want them to know that they are seen, valued, and loved as children of God. Too many of my friends who grew up in the hate filled world of Evangelical Christianity in the US wither stayed there or lost all faith in humanity and God.

 

JI7

(93,908 posts)
3. School, access to different information including meeting different people
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 01:05 PM
Jul 2025

but I guess it depends on what you mean by right wing/magat families.

I'm guessing you don't mean the ones where parents vote republican regularly but otherwise aren't very political.

But rather the cultish types.

There are a few examples like the oath keepers guy's son. I think some kids that grew up in the god hates f^$$ family.



Bev54

(13,522 posts)
4. They go to University and learn all sorts of new perspectives. That is why Maga wants to defund education
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 04:21 PM
Jul 2025

Tree Lady

(13,384 posts)
5. I raised my kids in church
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jul 2025

I left it in my early 30's and older daughter still believes but doesn't go to church she votes R (ugh!) younger daughter took religions class in college when she saw all of the different beliefs, left all of it and her and hubby atheists.

My parents raised me to go to church to but more progressive one, I was the one for 8 years went to far right one, had friend took me there when I was 17.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
6. It's like when the fundies BAKER, SWAGGART and all, crashed and their followers were crushed
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 06:11 PM
Jul 2025

W_HAMILTON

(10,439 posts)
8. As having gone through this transformation myself, I can tell you:
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 06:42 PM
Jul 2025

You have the results of Republican actions harm you directly -- and then the whole facade falls.

FAFO, I think they call it.

A lot of Trump voters are experiencing the feeling firsthand now.

Some will be too far gone, but there will inevitably be some that turn on Republicans once they come to the realization that everything they said, everything they claimed, everything they promised -- it was all a big lie.

ananda

(35,520 posts)
9. I have to think Magat grooming is constant and brutal...
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 06:44 PM
Jul 2025

from one generation to the next.

Once a mind is locked in like that, it's almost impossible
to change.

JCMach1

(29,242 posts)
10. Most don't... My first cousin went quiverfull and her
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 08:28 PM
Jul 2025

Kids are creating a new generation of xtian dominionists.

Cultists in every sense of the word.

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