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standingtall

(3,192 posts)
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:31 PM Jul 2025

After we survive this fascist administration

Last edited Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:04 PM - Edit history (2)

There needs to be a constitutional amendment guaranteeing Universal Healthcare with no strings attached. I don't want to hear we can't afford it B.S. The Government gave 38 billion to Elon Musk alone who then helped steal health insurance from poor people. So we could give every person in America a lot of money of the 38 billion we gave to Elon Musk and the billions we give to other oligarchs and billions of dollars in the ice budget and military spending, but poor people can't have health insurance without being enslaved to employers. This is gross.

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After we survive this fascist administration (Original Post) standingtall Jul 2025 OP
Richest country in the history of the world cannot afford healthcare or education for its people. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #1
Single payer, available to all, cuts healthcare costs in half with longer life expectancies. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2025 #2
Billionaires must get richer scamming the American public. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #6
The billionaire class don't believe that. They'll be fine (or so they believe). This belief is what is driving all this. Texin Jul 2025 #44
This!!!!!! paleotn Jul 2025 #29
Don't disagree with the point. Although, think $38 B divided by 347 M people is like $110, not several million dollar Silent Type Jul 2025 #3
If the google A.I. thingy is correct there are 1 thousand million in 1 billion standingtall Jul 2025 #11
That's wrong, sorry. And a good example of false AI. Use this site, put in $38 B divided by 347 M. AI ain't Silent Type Jul 2025 #13
An American billion, IIRC, is indeed a thousand million. soldierant Jul 2025 #41
"There needs to be a constitutional amendment guaranteeing Universal Healthcare..." J_William_Ryan Jul 2025 #4
Probably not, but if a bunch of idiots in the Country wake up standingtall Jul 2025 #7
The worse it gets, and believe me it will get far worse. paleotn Jul 2025 #34
There also needs to be strict lines drawn about felons running for office and corruption. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2025 #5
If NoRethugFriends Jul 2025 #8
Never again "we can't afford guaranteeing Universal Healthcare". republianmushroom Jul 2025 #9
I think your math is a bit off bif Jul 2025 #10
If there is 1 thousand million in a billion then yes standingtall Jul 2025 #12
Watch out for the European version of a billion. The Madcap Jul 2025 #31
IF we "survive". No guarantees Evolve Dammit Jul 2025 #14
We will get through this standingtall Jul 2025 #21
Hope you're right. Evolve Dammit Jul 2025 #40
Some will indeed. soldierant Jul 2025 #42
I think your math swong19104 Jul 2025 #15
Edited the post would still be a lot of money though standingtall Jul 2025 #17
After this fascist administration Mr.Bee Jul 2025 #16
I suggest sooner rather than later. Nt Hope22 Jul 2025 #18
I hope somebody counted them before then too standingtall Jul 2025 #19
$2.88 JoseBalow Jul 2025 #20
The chances Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #22
The chances will increase the worse it gets standingtall Jul 2025 #23
The last time we added an amendment Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #24
Well there was 1 about 20 years before that standingtall Jul 2025 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #45
The 26th amendment took only about 4 months from initial introduction Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2025 #25
a lot standingtall Jul 2025 #27
The problem is the open barn door. WarGamer Jul 2025 #30
Exactly. No telling what we'd come out with if GOPers have control. Silent Type Jul 2025 #43
You're quite optimistic. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2025 #28
I fear you are correct pfitz59 Jul 2025 #32
If the American people get desoperate enough standingtall Jul 2025 #33
That's the problem. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2025 #35
Fundamental change requires creating strict campaign finance laws and limits; nothing good will happen so long as sop Jul 2025 #36
We need to do that too standingtall Jul 2025 #39
ding. AllaN01Bear Jul 2025 #37
More than that. cab67 Jul 2025 #38
Most countries that come through a period of dictatorship Warpy Jul 2025 #47

Irish_Dem

(82,356 posts)
1. Richest country in the history of the world cannot afford healthcare or education for its people.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:36 PM
Jul 2025

When other modern countries do so with ease.

Yes Americans have been scammed for a long time.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
2. Single payer, available to all, cuts healthcare costs in half with longer life expectancies.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jul 2025

We all benefit when health improves even if our own doesn't.

The middle-aged man caring for his elderly mother who can't afford healthcare is less able to teach the student who might find the cure for his mother's disease.

The mother who dies early is not there to help her daughter be the first in the family to go to university.

Irish_Dem

(82,356 posts)
6. Billionaires must get richer scamming the American public.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:51 PM
Jul 2025

Yes the most valuable resource we have are people.
We start killing most of them and we lose quality of life.

Texin

(2,868 posts)
44. The billionaire class don't believe that. They'll be fine (or so they believe). This belief is what is driving all this.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:36 PM
Jul 2025

If you're not part of this group, you're just surplus unwanted human chaff insofar as they're concerned.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
3. Don't disagree with the point. Although, think $38 B divided by 347 M people is like $110, not several million dollar
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jul 2025

But I do get my zeroes messed up nowadays. I'll delete if incorrect.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
11. If the google A.I. thingy is correct there are 1 thousand million in 1 billion
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jul 2025

That would be almost 3 million for every person. 38 billion would be over 10 million and almost 11.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
13. That's wrong, sorry. And a good example of false AI. Use this site, put in $38 B divided by 347 M. AI ain't
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:13 PM
Jul 2025

very accurate on a lot of things. Gotta verify.

https://www.mymathtables.com/calculator/number/billion-divide-by-million-calculator.html

Results...


38 Billion is divided by 347 Million = 109.51


Next 5 entries...

38 Billion is divided by 347 Million = 109.51
38 Billion is divided by 348 Million = 109.195
38 Billion is divided by 349 Million = 108.883
38 Billion is divided by 350 Million = 108.571
38 Billion is divided by 351 Million = 108.262

soldierant

(9,372 posts)
41. An American billion, IIRC, is indeed a thousand million.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:15 PM
Jul 2025

A British billion, on the other hand, is a million million. And the same applies when you move to trillion - An American trillion is a thousand billion, whereas a British trillion is a million (British) billion. At that [point we are apart by a substantial factor.

So, yes, 38 American billions divided by 347 million is in the neighbothood of 110.
If it were 38 British billions divided by 347 million, it would be more like 110,000.
To the best of my knowledge, all American federal accounting uses the American billion.

J_William_Ryan

(3,581 posts)
4. "There needs to be a constitutional amendment guaranteeing Universal Healthcare..."
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jul 2025

There does – but it’s not going to happen, not anytime soon.

And should we survive this fascist administration there’ll likely be another; there’s nothing stopping the next Republican president from being an authoritarian fascist thug. Indeed, Trump has created a template for authoritarianism, executive branch precedent allowing a president to abuse his power, ignore the courts, and violate the law with impunity – just as Trump was able to do.

paleotn

(22,738 posts)
34. The worse it gets, and believe me it will get far worse.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:48 PM
Jul 2025

The more inaccurate your statement will be. These things come in cycles. The pendulum will swing the other way. Whether that’s in an intact US that we now recognize remains to be seen.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
5. There also needs to be strict lines drawn about felons running for office and corruption. . . . . nt
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jul 2025

bif

(27,230 posts)
10. I think your math is a bit off
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jul 2025

"So we could give every person in America almost 3 million dollars alone just off of 1 billion"

Does not compute, Will Robinson.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
12. If there is 1 thousand million in a billion then yes
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:11 PM
Jul 2025

If the google A.I. answer is correct. I always thought there were 100 million in a billion before. 347 goes into 1,000 almost 3 times.

The Madcap

(2,034 posts)
31. Watch out for the European version of a billion.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:46 PM
Jul 2025

Not the same as U.s. In a lot of European languages, 1 billion = 10^12, not 10^9 like in U.S.

soldierant

(9,372 posts)
42. Some will indeed.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jul 2025

I likely won't, but some will, and the country will.

No telling what that will look like.

swong19104

(662 posts)
15. I think your math
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:33 PM
Jul 2025

is off by several zeros.

Your point is correct, but your numbers don’t add up.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
17. Edited the post would still be a lot of money though
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:41 PM
Jul 2025

and we probably could get to that number or higher if we counted all the money we've given billionaires and the ice budget. I don't want to get a headache dealing with huge numbers.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
19. I hope somebody counted them before then too
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jul 2025

Pretty sure any fascist will simply claim the gold in Fort Knox was gone long before they took power to avoid accountability.

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,312 posts)
22. The chances
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:13 PM
Jul 2025

of getting two thirds of either Congress, or the States, to vote for a Constitutional amendment is beyond slim.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
23. The chances will increase the worse it gets
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:21 PM
Jul 2025

if we still have a Democracy or at least sort of.

 

Greg_In_SF

(1,312 posts)
24. The last time we added an amendment
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:29 PM
Jul 2025

to the Constitution, it took 202 years to get it done.

Response to Greg_In_SF (Reply #24)

Wiz Imp

(10,422 posts)
46. The 26th amendment took only about 4 months from initial introduction
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:43 PM
Jul 2025

In Congress to full ratification by 3/4 of the states.

Response to standingtall (Original post)

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
27. a lot
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:40 PM
Jul 2025

2/3rds of Congress and ratified by 3/4ths of State legislatures. For starters. We better get to unbrainwashing idiots and winning elections.

WarGamer

(18,860 posts)
30. The problem is the open barn door.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:45 PM
Jul 2025

Every RW'er will want new amendments for their pet issues too.

More likely to have a future DEM Congress pass ACA v2.0 which pays very large subsidies up to a high income threshold FOR ALL.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,076 posts)
28. You're quite optimistic.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:43 PM
Jul 2025

Fascists don’t just go away. You can’t “vote them out”.

There’s only one way to be rid of facsists. And I don’t know if the American People have the sand to do what it takes.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
33. If the American people get desoperate enough
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:48 PM
Jul 2025

All bets are off. America has been through things just as bad if not worse then fascism, None of us alive have, but America as a Nation has and came through it.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,076 posts)
35. That's the problem.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:50 PM
Jul 2025

We need to act now. Not when there is nothing left to lose.

The warning sirens are screaming, they’ve been screaming for a couple decades now and people just go about their lives oblivious to the danger.

sop

(19,326 posts)
36. Fundamental change requires creating strict campaign finance laws and limits; nothing good will happen so long as
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:53 PM
Jul 2025

big money interests can buy elected representatives and control government. Seriously limiting presidential power, and overturning that ridiculous Trump immunity ruling, should also be a priority.

standingtall

(3,192 posts)
39. We need to do that too
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:10 PM
Jul 2025

but in order to do that we've got to take back the House and the Senate and hope we don't get anymore Manchin's,Sinema's or Fetterman's. So we can reform the Courts especially the Supreme Court. That's going to be hard, but it's more realistic then thinking we just leave it like it is and those right wing fascist enabling Judges are just going to change their ways.

cab67

(3,848 posts)
38. More than that.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:08 PM
Jul 2025

The electoral college has to go.

Political gerrymandering has to be outlawed.

Thanks to the Supreme Court, we now have to clearly state that the President is not above the law, and that corporations aren't people; and if we have to reiterate birthright citizenship and the right of everyone in this country to due process, regardless of their immigration status, even though they're already in the 14th amendment, so be it.

The ERA has to be revived.

Evangelicals like to claim "separation of church and state" isn't in the constitution; scholars disagree, but let's put it there, just to make sure.

Warpy

(114,673 posts)
47. Most countries that come through a period of dictatorship
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:56 PM
Jul 2025

liberalize greatly once it's over. The exceptions seem to be those that sink into a defacto inheritable monarchy, like N. Korea, or those with an inheritable oligarchy, either business, religious, or military, that will pick the next dictator over the objections of any or all of the people.

However, those are in the minority and even they often enjoy a short period of moderation before the new thug turns sour.

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