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garybeck

(10,068 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 02:26 AM Jul 2025

People this is not possible.


This screenshot is from the Rockland county official election website.
This is just one voting district.
There are several others like it.
You cant tell me Trump got 552 votes and Kamala got zero.
Especially considering that Gillibrand, also a woman Democrat, won the same district in a landslide. 331-82
That is saying that not a single one of the 331 people who voted for Gillibrand, voted for Kamala. Not even one. In fact it appears every one of them voted for Trump.
And Kamala got zero votes in the entire district.

Is there anyone who actually thinks that is possible?
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People this is not possible. (Original Post) garybeck Jul 2025 OP
Is there more than one Rockland County? True Dough Jul 2025 #1
this is one precinct in Rockland garybeck Jul 2025 #15
Thought it was suspicious when heard it was NYState. elleng Jul 2025 #2
Kamala Harris advisers: Internal polling never showed VP ahead BootinUp Jul 2025 #3
WRONG! It is one voting site HarryM Jul 2025 #4
nope garybeck Jul 2025 #16
Nope yourself. You're wrong. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #32
I thought Kiryas Joel was in Orange County? phylny Jul 2025 #37
Not only do I think it's possible, I know it's true. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #5
garybeck, there are three conclusive explanation replies to your OP...Please come back and respond to them hlthe2b Jul 2025 #6
They have not posted any " findings " that counter questionseverything Jul 2025 #8
Oh, please. Yeah those few hundred votes from a highly conservative Jewish community hlthe2b Jul 2025 #9
There are citizens who have sworn they voted in a way that makes these posted results false questionseverything Jul 2025 #10
Local VOTERS have every right to question. But your wanting to make it into a national issue--a Democratic hlthe2b Jul 2025 #13
Being rude and abusive doesn't prove anything questionseverything Jul 2025 #17
Okay. But, I think you know better. This is not like you so it is my disappointment manifesting... hlthe2b Jul 2025 #24
I'm a hand count, paper ballot advocate and have been since before 2000 questionseverything Jul 2025 #29
GWB won 2000 by 537 votes. Just sayin' Dave says Jul 2025 #20
GWB was selected by the US Supreme Court. He did not win by 537 votes--the recount was halted. hlthe2b Jul 2025 #22
That's what the count was Dave says Jul 2025 #31
Newspapers counted the ballots after gore conceded and found gore would of won a hand count questionseverything Jul 2025 #33
I take pride in the fact that my side creeksneakers2 Jul 2025 #35
You need to explain how Biden got 0 votes in 2020. Nt scipan Jul 2025 #19
No human being counted those votes either? questionseverything Jul 2025 #26
Which voters have sworn that they voted for Harris? sl8 Jul 2025 #11
Already discussed. There's no "there" there. thesquanderer Jul 2025 #7
I'll repeat a post I made a month ago which was simply ignored by the people who are just sure the election was stolen Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Dave says Jul 2025 #21
HUh? I said absolutely nothing about voter fraud. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #28
I posted in the wrong place. Sorry. Dave says Jul 2025 #30
Not this chit again. Biden didn't get any votes either in 2020. We lost, let's focus on midterms and 2028. Silent Type Jul 2025 #14
Politifact explains how: scipan Jul 2025 #18
Trump TOLD us that Elon rigged the election for him. Sogo Jul 2025 #23
There are precincts in my county where I wouldn't be at all shocked if Harris got 0% of the vote. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2025 #25
No. 58Sunliner Jul 2025 #27
They disappeared? czarjak Jul 2025 #34
It's not possible I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2025 #36

HarryM

(443 posts)
4. WRONG! It is one voting site
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:58 AM
Jul 2025

That site is in the village of Kiryas Joel. It is a very closed, religious village in Rockland County, that is made up of a population of Hasidic Jews who moved from Brooklyn. They only vote how their rabbi tells them to vote. If you look at the previous presidential election, you will see that all the votes went for Biden, while his opponent got zero. The entire village has about 10,000 voters. This is a snapshot of ONE polling station.
You have to be from the general area to understand this,.
Here's a link to help you understand how this is possible. https://www.shtetl.org/article/analyzing-the-haredi-vote-in-the-2024-general-election
Skip to 3. to find out how the entire village voted.
Another link to show where this is possible: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2326520/report-satmar-rebbe-endorses-donald-trump-over-kamala-harris-in-2024-presidential-election.html

garybeck

(10,068 posts)
16. nope
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jul 2025

there are supposedly sworn affadavits of people who voted for Kamala
and there are other precincts too just like it

Wiz Imp

(8,542 posts)
32. Nope yourself. You're wrong.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 01:26 PM
Jul 2025

Get back to me when you can find a single person who will swear to it in court under oath. You won't find one because nobody in that district voted for Harris, exactly like nobody in that district voted for Biden 4 years earlier. It's the truth.

Edited to add: the lawsuit does not even allege that there were sworn affidavits from people claiming to have voted for Harrris. The only sworn affidavits they have relate to votes for Diane Sare, Senate Candidate as referred to below.

Try reading this if you want the full truth about this idiotic lawsuit in Rockland County.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-167466926

A few excerpts:

The only evidence they have in a precinct where Sare only received 5 votes however 8 have sworn affidavits claiming to have voted for Sare leading SMART Elections to determine she would have had a minimum of 9 votes... Not only is the sample size far too small to be considered seriously and affidavits hold little to no water especially when between the 8, only 2 are willing to swear under oath in court and participate as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, including Adam Mocio, a chronic election denier and avid Trump supporter.

Note those 2 people willing to swear under oath would be swearing that they voted for Diane Sare (the Lyndon LaRouche Party candidate) for Senate, not Harris for President. And it would be meaningless since Sare officially received 5 votes.

They also assert in their argument they only “interviewed” 3% of voters, giving the idea they went door to door when it is truthfully just coalition members and acquaintances. They suggest that because 97% of the population was not interviewed, they suspect they will find more. They filed that in December 2024, they have had half of a year to find more and have not. Furthermore, once this case took social media by storm, one would think people would be coming out of the woodwork.


Despite incredibly misleading information circulating the internet, no expert affidavit by a statistician was provided to the court supporting evidence of election fraud. Lulu Friesdat the co-founder of SMART Legislation, provided an affidavit. She describes herself as an election journalist, and stated that SMART Legislation is an “unincorporated action partner of SMART Elections. Friesdat, despite many efforts around the country, has never had a favorable court ruling.


I stand firmly behind organizations with a proven track record of advancing fair, accessible elections — groups like the NAACP, the Brennan Center for Justice, the ACLU, and the Campaign Legal Center. These groups understand the real threats: voter suppression, dark money, and policies designed to silence marginalized communities — and they have the legal victories to show for it.

Wiz Imp

(8,542 posts)
5. Not only do I think it's possible, I know it's true.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 04:08 AM
Jul 2025

Same district 2020:

Presidential Electors for President and Vice President
(VOTE FOR) 1
Joseph R. Biden (DEM) . . . . . . . 0
Donald J. Trump (REP) . . . . . . . 138 26.14%
Donald J. Trump (CON) . . . . . . . 390 73.86%
Joseph R. Biden (WOR) . . . . . . . 0
Howie Hawkins (GRE) . . . . . . . . 0
Jo Jorgensen (LIB) . . . . . . . . 0
Brock Pierce (IND) . . . . . . . . 0
WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . . 0
Total . . . . . . . . . . 528
Over Votes . . . . . . . . . . 1
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 2

What's that? It's so impossible it happened in 2020 as well.

As the Rockland County Board of Elections says:

The recent legal action seeking a hand count of the 2024 election results in Rockland County
has no merit. The election was conducted in full compliance with New York State law,
including required post-election audits and recanvassing. The voting patterns in the affected
districts in 2024 were neither unusual nor irregular compared to the history of voting in these
same districts.


People need to stop with this garbage, There was no "stolen election". Continuing to insist an absolutely normal voting pattern is "impossible" just makes people look foolish.

hlthe2b

(112,490 posts)
6. garybeck, there are three conclusive explanation replies to your OP...Please come back and respond to them
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 04:26 AM
Jul 2025


I'd also suggest editing your OP to acknowledge the findings posted that directly counter. We don't want to be like our opponents on this.

questionseverything

(11,507 posts)
8. They have not posted any " findings " that counter
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 05:37 AM
Jul 2025

They have posted theories presented as facts, no human being has seen and hand counted those ballots so they have no way of knowing what the count actually is.

This op doesn’t include everything we know about rockland but several voters have given sworn statements saying they voted for Harris. As Americans we shouldn’t have to trust the voting machines or the summary hardware, we have the right to see the count , if the average citizen can’t oversee the counting of votes it’s not legitimate.

I believe it was stalin who said, “ it doesn’t matter who votes, only who counts the vote “

And as for the insult about, being like republicans, Georgia was hand counted and thousands of votes were found that hadn’t been included in the first totals. It didn’t change the result but it did find a lot of votes.
Republicans, even after the hand count said Biden cheated so not the same at all.


And btw , what is the big problem with hand counting 500 plus ballots? Honor roll 4th graders could do it three times in a couple hours. *rump and republicans literally cheat at everything, why would you act like we are goofy for wanting to check them?

hlthe2b

(112,490 posts)
9. Oh, please. Yeah those few hundred votes from a highly conservative Jewish community
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 05:43 AM
Jul 2025

give us the ammo to claim nationwide voter corruption. Give me a damned break. There could be evidence somewhere that would make a case for what you suggest, but this is readily explainable and inconsequential in the big picture.

What next? Join those on the RW wanting to storm the NSW's field offices--because you know that Texass flood disaster is from some dastardly seeded cloud process or didn't occur at all?

questionseverything

(11,507 posts)
10. There are citizens who have sworn they voted in a way that makes these posted results false
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 05:57 AM
Jul 2025

How do “explain “ those votes not being recorded?

I believe elections should be open and transparent, sorry if that offends you

As brad from Brad blog says, “it’s not voter corruption, the voters are doing fine”

Democracy isn’t something our “ betters “ should easily explain , it’s something we all have the right to oversee and cursing at me won’t change that

hlthe2b

(112,490 posts)
13. Local VOTERS have every right to question. But your wanting to make it into a national issue--a Democratic
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:36 AM
Jul 2025

Party issue--as though those less than 500 votes would have made the difference for any office--much less the Presidency, makes us look like the crank conspiracy theorists that MAGA loves to promote.

Just stop it. Let the locals answer to their own voters who feel a small handful of votes may have been improperly counted. It is not a NATIONAL CONSPIRACY, no more than MTG's "seeding the clouds caused the TEXAS floods" is less than "crank" BS to detract from the real issues.

hlthe2b

(112,490 posts)
24. Okay. But, I think you know better. This is not like you so it is my disappointment manifesting...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 12:29 PM
Jul 2025

My apologies for getting so insistent.

questionseverything

(11,507 posts)
29. I'm a hand count, paper ballot advocate and have been since before 2000
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 01:09 PM
Jul 2025

I believe citizens have the right to oversee the counting of votes in a democracy

And the only way that’s possible is with hand counted paper ballots, everything else is an illusion

Dave says

(5,302 posts)
20. GWB won 2000 by 537 votes. Just sayin'
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 12:23 PM
Jul 2025

And he won the electoral college by 1 vote, iirc.

hlthe2b

(112,490 posts)
22. GWB was selected by the US Supreme Court. He did not win by 537 votes--the recount was halted.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 12:28 PM
Jul 2025

Dave says

(5,302 posts)
31. That's what the count was
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 01:16 PM
Jul 2025

When SCOTUS stopped the count

On edit: but your point is made. Can’t count that corrupted election as an example.

questionseverything

(11,507 posts)
33. Newspapers counted the ballots after gore conceded and found gore would of won a hand count
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 01:51 PM
Jul 2025

There were many over votes the machines rejected. Ballots were gore’s bubble was filled in but the voter also wrote his name in as a write in vote. Under Florida law at the time, voter intent was recognized so gore would of easily won.

Florida fixed that though, it’s illegal to examine the paper ballots in Florida, a recount just means they are re run through the same machines .

creeksneakers2

(7,909 posts)
35. I take pride in the fact that my side
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jul 2025

isn't consumed by kook conspiracy theories. We need to make sure we are on solid ground before making far fetched claims.

sl8

(16,961 posts)
11. Which voters have sworn that they voted for Harris?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 06:05 AM
Jul 2025

I've seen the affadavits from Diane Sare voters, but haven't seen anything from Harris voters.

Wiz Imp

(8,542 posts)
12. I'll repeat a post I made a month ago which was simply ignored by the people who are just sure the election was stolen
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:24 AM
Jul 2025

0 votes for a candidate in a single precinct is nowhere near "statistically impossible" It happens many times in every election across probably all states. It happened in Philadelphia in 2012 with Romney getting 0 votes in DOZENS of precincts. I guess that's proof that Obama cheated.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

After the 2012 election results were final, some claimed that fraud was the only way to explain voting numbers in Philadelphia which showed Mitt Romney getting no votes at all in dozens of precincts in that city. But a review of election returns from all over the country shows that while such a result is rare, it happens more than you might think, and will probably happen again on November 8. Romney received zero votes in six precincts located in Fulton County, Georgia, which is home to much of the city of Atlanta. The largest spread was 327-0 for Obama in precinct CP083, on the southeast side of College Park, Georgia, an area that is over 80 percent African American, not far from downtown Atlanta. There were seven other precincts in that same county where Romney received only a single vote; in one precinct, Obama ran up an 898-1 advantage.

Another prime example was Cuyahoga County in Ohio, home to Cleveland, where Obama ran up a 6,354-0 margin in the 19 precincts where Romney did not win even one vote. There were also 27 other precincts statewide in Ohio where Romney only received one vote, like in Dayton, where one precinct went 599-1 for Obama. There were two small precincts in the Buckeye State where Obama received no votes.

One of the more interesting states in 2012 was Louisiana, where 75 precincts won by Obama did not give a single vote to Romney - but, there were also 46 other precincts won by Romney where Obama did not get one vote. Lincoln Parish, in northern Louisiana was notable, because that parish had nine precincts where Barack Obama did not get a single vote, and also seven other precincts where Mitt Romney did not receive one vote. All in the same county.

And these kind of results did not happen only in 2012. Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."

Response to Wiz Imp (Reply #12)

Wiz Imp

(8,542 posts)
28. HUh? I said absolutely nothing about voter fraud.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 01:07 PM
Jul 2025

It totally refuted the OP which said 0 votes for a candidate in a voting district was impossible.

Silent Type

(12,302 posts)
14. Not this chit again. Biden didn't get any votes either in 2020. We lost, let's focus on midterms and 2028.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:22 AM
Jul 2025

scipan

(2,964 posts)
18. Politifact explains how:
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:56 AM
Jul 2025

- it has happened in other elections, including 2020 when Biden received 0 votes in ramapo 35,
- it's almost exclusively Hasidic Jews, who usually vote as their Rabbi tells them

Good info:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/26/social-media/why-did-kamala-harris-get-zero-votes-in-this-ny-pr/

Pacifist Patriot

(25,185 posts)
25. There are precincts in my county where I wouldn't be at all shocked if Harris got 0% of the vote.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 12:43 PM
Jul 2025
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