She Won, Part V: Why The Missing Votes In Rockland County Matter

[Botany]

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-part-v-why-the-missing-votes

This is no conspiracy theory woo. All across America Trump over preformed in
the vote and Vice President Harris under preformed. Especially in the swing
states and Texas. Trump knew the fix was in and acted and spoke like it too.

He did the following:

He masturbated the mic stand and simulated giving a blow job to the microphone
in front of audience and video of him doing that was show on the news, written about
in newspapers, and was shown on the web.

He talked about the size of Arnold Palmer’s dick in Arnold’s home town of LaTrobe,
PA. I have known a family that is from N.E. Ohio whose had a teaching golf pro as a
family member and he was friends with Mr. Palmer and from what I have heard was that
Mr. Palmer was very nice man. Trump’s talking about Palmer’s dick had to have lost him
votes among many people who knew of or had dealings with Mr. Palmer.

His act @ Arlington National Cemetery should have lost him millions of votes from veterans
and their families.

And he said the following on more than one occasion in 2024:

“We don’t need [the] votes,” The man knew the fix was in and he had the backing of the
Republican Party, the Supreme Court and other Judges like Cannon, the Republican Party
controlled media, Musk, Peter Theil and Palantir, Eaton Corp., and others like Lenoard Leo.

*******
The man is burning America to the ground, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands by cutting
off food and medical assistance to some of the poorest people in the world, and now he has his
own strike force of ICE that now has a budget that is greater than Russia’s military. And he got
back into the White House the same way he did in 2016 he cheated.

Go and make some Good trouble today.

https://goodtroubleliveson.org/

[BoRaGard]

1. These are the vaunted Republicon Family Values

they (and Satan) are so proud of.

[Botany]

4. Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300,000 deaths -- most of them children

These are Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin type of #s and it is all good with Musk because he is an
Afrikaner from S. Africa who sees black people in Africa as the enemy.

**********

The mathematician and professor of infectious diseases at Boston University had created a model to predict the human cost of the Department of Government Efficiency’s (Doge) USAid funding cuts.

Snip

What Nichols had not appreciated was what was killing people, and just how quickly it appeared to be killing them. A death was estimated to be happening somewhere in the world every three minutes. “It was just shocking,” she said.

As Elon Musk, the head of Doge, arrived at the White House on Friday afternoon to be congratulated by President Trump for his work slashing the federal budget, the number of deaths on Nichols’s tracker hit 300,000, more than 200,000 of them children.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/american-politics/article/usaid-doge-deaths-children-cuts-7nb83dfkp

[2naSalit]

2. K&R

[ms liberty]

6. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Do you like pizza?

[ms liberty]

5. To whomever: this is an active legitimate lawsuit now in its early stages.

Not kooky, not extremist at all.

[Botany]

8. If I remember it right the precinct in Rockland County, NY had something like 350 registered voters and

… it produced zero votes for V.P. Harris but in 2022 it voted for a liberal woman as
Governor (Hochul ?) @ > 80%.

[ms liberty]

9. I'm not remembering the number of voters but Harris got ZERO votes in the county

When other dems on the ticket won or performed as expected. Zero votes is suspicious as all hell.
Of course, I'm in NC where we won all the top state races except Harris. Which to me and mine is also suspicious as all hell.

[Wiz Imp]

10. Completely False

It was a single precinct or voting district in the county. Please stop repeating misinformation.

[BComplex]

22. You are our resident "republicans won fair and square" poster, Wiz Imp.

I don't understand how you can possibly believe what the mainstream media (ALL republican owned media) has told you. But there are many of us who know in our hearts that trump/republicans did not/no way win more legitimate votes in 2024 than Harris/democrats did. The entire world was in shock. Some of us still are.

Shock in an election that is legitimate quickly subsides. Not this.

[Wiz Imp]

26. I don't believe what the Mainstream Media says

I believe in reality. I've always been open to the idea that something wasn't kosher with the election. But I won't automatically believe ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposedly detailed analyses which provide zero hard evidence. Gut feelings are not evidence. Just because you find something hard to believe, doesn't mean it isn't true. You should be demanding hard evidence, not latching on to conspiracy theories. And to be clear, nobody has produced any hard evidence so far. This Rockland County lawsuit is a complete joke. Beware that many people pushing this garbage are grifters.

I'm also baffled why you chose to respond to a post of mine which contained no opinions, just 100% certifiable fact.

From the substack I linked to:

I stand firmly behind organizations with a proven track record of advancing fair, accessible elections — groups like the NAACP, the Brennan Center for Justice, the ACLU, and the Campaign Legal Center. These groups understand the real threats: voter suppression, dark money, and policies designed to silence marginalized communities — and they have the legal victories to show for it.

And I would add Marc Elias who has done more to protect election integrity than probably anyone else on the planet. If there was any real evidence of anything nefarious having happened, Marc Elias would be all over it.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

41. And all of the facts...

...related to vote counts, etc., can be obtained without looking at media, mainstream or otherwise, at all. Every state has an elections website that provides the actual numbers.

[tritsofme]

38. It's called being part of the reality based community.

And not deluding ourselves with comfortable fantasies.

[ms liberty]

32. Whichever it was, the ZERO VOTES IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. That's why the suit is proceeding.

[Wiz Imp]

37. Not remotely suspicious.

The same precinct produced 0 votes for Biden in 2020. See post #13

Every election, there are literally hundreds of precincts around the country where one of the candidates receives 0 votes. In Cuyahoga County in Ohio, home to Cleveland in 2012, Obama ran up a 6,354-0 margin in 19 precincts where Romney did not win even one vote. see post #12

[malaise]

7. I've been doubting malaise since that

November day. Nothing has changed, truth will out.

[Wiz Imp]

11. No matter how many times this nonsense is repeated, it doesn't change the fact that it is nonsense.

The Truth about Rockland County is absolutely nothing unusual happened there. The people filing the suit are grifters. You want accurate information, try this:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-167466926

A few excerpts:

The only evidence they have in a precinct where Sare only received 5 votes however 8 have sworn affidavits claiming to have voted for Sare leading SMART Elections to determine she would have had a minimum of 9 votes... Not only is the sample size far too small to be considered seriously and affidavits hold little to no water especially when between the 8, only 2 are willing to swear under oath in court and participate as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, including Adam Mocio, a chronic election denier and avid Trump supporter.

They also assert in their argument they only “interviewed” 3% of voters, giving the idea they went door to door when it is truthfully just coalition members and acquaintances. They suggest that because 97% of the population was not interviewed, they suspect they will find more. They filed that in December 2024, they have had half of a year to find more and have not. Furthermore, once this case took social media by storm, one would think people would be coming out of the woodwork.

Despite incredibly misleading information circulating the internet, no expert affidavit by a statistician was provided to the court supporting evidence of election fraud. Lulu Friesdat the co-founder of SMART Legislation, provided an affidavit. She describes herself as an election journalist, and stated that SMART Legislation is an “unincorporated action partner of SMART Elections. Friesdat, despite many efforts around the country, has never had a favorable court ruling.

I stand firmly behind organizations with a proven track record of advancing fair, accessible elections — groups like the NAACP, the Brennan Center for Justice, the ACLU, and the Campaign Legal Center. These groups understand the real threats: voter suppression, dark money, and policies designed to silence marginalized communities — and they have the legal victories to show for it.

[questionseverything]

74. Are you myranda? Why are you acting like this opinion piece is factual?

[Wiz Imp]

85. The statements of fact are just that statements of fact and can easily be confirmed.

I guarantee you will be disappointed when the Rockland County lawsuit finds absolutely nothing illegal or nefarious happened in the election. I'm sure you'll be happy to come back and admit you were wrong when that happens, right? I'm not holding my breath.

[questionseverything]

101. Actually if I had to bet, I would bet that even if some how

The paper ballots are examined and different votes are found they(tptb) will say, “ it doesn’t matter since it doesn’t change the outcome “

Ty for all the kicks!!!

[Wiz Imp]

12. Zero votes in a precinct for one candidate happens many hundred times every election.

0 votes for a candidate in a single precinct is nowhere near "statistically impossible" It happens many times in every election across probably all states. It happened in Philadelphia in 2012 with Romney getting 0 votes in DOZENS of precincts. I guess that's proof that Obama cheated.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

After the 2012 election results were final, some claimed that fraud was the only way to explain voting numbers in Philadelphia which showed Mitt Romney getting no votes at all in dozens of precincts in that city. But a review of election returns from all over the country shows that while such a result is rare, it happens more than you might think, and will probably happen again on November 8. Romney received zero votes in six precincts located in Fulton County, Georgia, which is home to much of the city of Atlanta. The largest spread was 327-0 for Obama in precinct CP083, on the southeast side of College Park, Georgia, an area that is over 80 percent African American, not far from downtown Atlanta. There were seven other precincts in that same county where Romney received only a single vote; in one precinct, Obama ran up an 898-1 advantage.

Another prime example was Cuyahoga County in Ohio, home to Cleveland, where Obama ran up a 6,354-0 margin in the 19 precincts where Romney did not win even one vote. There were also 27 other precincts statewide in Ohio where Romney only received one vote, like in Dayton, where one precinct went 599-1 for Obama. There were two small precincts in the Buckeye State where Obama received no votes.

One of the more interesting states in 2012 was Louisiana, where 75 precincts won by Obama did not give a single vote to Romney - but, there were also 46 other precincts won by Romney where Obama did not get one vote. Lincoln Parish, in northern Louisiana was notable, because that parish had nine precincts where Barack Obama did not get a single vote, and also seven other precincts where Mitt Romney did not receive one vote. All in the same county.

And these kind of results did not happen only in 2012. Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."

[questionseverything]

75. So you are quoting an opinion piece from 2016 as though it is fact

And evidently you feel it can predict the future?

[Wiz Imp]

84. Wow! The data quoted in the article ARE facts and can be 100% confirmed

The article contained data showing then hundreds of precincts had 0 votes for one candidate or the other in 2008 and 2012. If you don't understand that this effectively proves that this phenomenon happens hundreds of times every election, then it must mean you think the 2008 and 2012 elections were both rigged for Obama.

Marc Elias has done more for the cause of election integrity than anybody on the planet and he has clearly stated that the "election was stolen" claims are conspiracy theory nonsense. I guess he's in on the conspiracy? Or is he just too stupid to see the truth? When people insist that they understand better than the foremost election integrity expert on the planet, I feel like I've slipped into an alternate dimension where everyone has gone insane.

[questionseverything]

102. Elias is a lawyer not a computer scientist

[Wiz Imp]

13. Rockland County, Ramapo District 35

Same district 2020:

Presidential Electors for President and Vice President
(VOTE FOR) 1
Joseph R. Biden (DEM) . . . . . . . 0
Donald J. Trump (REP) . . . . . . . 138 26.14%
Donald J. Trump (CON) . . . . . . . 390 73.86%
Joseph R. Biden (WOR) . . . . . . . 0
Howie Hawkins (GRE) . . . . . . . . 0
Jo Jorgensen (LIB) . . . . . . . . 0
Brock Pierce (IND) . . . . . . . . 0
WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . . 0
Total . . . . . . . . . . 528
Over Votes . . . . . . . . . . 1
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 2

What's that? Biden also received 0 votes in the District in 2020 as well.

As the Rockland County Board of Elections says:

The recent legal action seeking a hand count of the 2024 election results in Rockland County
has no merit. The election was conducted in full compliance with New York State law,
including required post-election audits and recanvassing. The voting patterns in the affected
districts in 2024 were neither unusual nor irregular compared to the history of voting in these
same districts.

Every other so-called "questionable" districts in Rockland County would show the exact same patterns in 2024 as the did in 2020. There is nothing remotely sinister there.

[Botany]

15. шторм 15-16?

Amazing on how you had that information about Rockland County ready to go.

[Wiz Imp]

16. Wow! The lack of self awareness is mind boggling. 🙄😖😱🤯🤐

I need to shut up now so I don't get banned.

[tritsofme]

40. We're almost to the point that these folks resemble "Flat Earth" comment sections.

To be fair, their conspiracy theory is no more grounded in reality.

[EdmondDantes_]

17. Such a witty retort

But I guess that's easier than refuting that which disproves the conspiracy theory.

[Ms. Toad]

19. With the information available on the internet these days, it wouldn't take more than 1-2 hours to find it . . .

And Rockland has been mentioned as "proof" of election rigging since at least May 29. That leaves 48 days and 22 hours to sit around twiddling their thumbs.

Saying something isn't a conspiracy theory doesn't make it not one, and the fact that a lawsuit has been filed means virtually nothing. When I worked at the Court of Appeals, we fairly regularly had to deal with conspiracy theories that made their way into the court. When they inevitably lost at the trial court, the conspiracy nuts appealed them (as is their right).

So how about responding to the factual information in the posts.

[Wiz Imp]

28. I sure as hell have facts ready to go because so many people here keep posting nonsense repeatedly.

I will keep responding to nonsense with FACTS. If I have to keep posting the same FACTS 100 times I will do that. Maybe at some point, the truth will finally break through to some.

[Scrivener7]

35. That's really shitty.

[niyad]

14. KNR and bookmarking.

[kentuck]

18. Remember when Tina Peters of Colorado gave the software to an outside firm and was convicted?

It has been reported that they used that same software (or hardware) to get into machines in Rockland County and also in PA?

I recall that FOX News was involved in the stolen election software and it ended up in Washington DC?

What could they have done with the knowledge that was stolen in Colorado?

I have no idea?

[Botany]

20. Some of that "getting into the voting systems" stuff is covered in this article.

“The Trump effort to infiltrate the voting systems was worse than we knew.”

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-part-ii-seven-judges-direct

Look @ the picture of Governor Kemp of Georgia laughing it up about the
voting machines having there back door machine codes stolen by republicans
who took the voting machines or parts of the voting machines when they were
“investigating” election fraud.

[karynnj]

25. It has been explained in several past threads that the district in question is one in a Hasidic Jewish area

It is not at all unusual for them to vote lock step for President in the direction the rabbi told them too. The orthodox Jewish population, unlike the non orthodox Jewish population bought that Trump was more "pro Israel" than Harris. Harris was hurt on BOTH sides of the people who cared about the Gaza War.

[questionseverything]

44. Why should citizens accept an "explanation " instead of simply looking at the ballots?

Why is looking at ballots such a big deal?

[karynnj]

46. I was responding to many posts saying this was impossible or at

least very unlikely.

I have no problem with them looking at the ballots, but it might be good to wait until (and if) they actually find a discrepancy.

[questionseverything]

51. That's kind of my point, they won't let them look without first proving inaccurate results

And btw you are comparing one machine count from one year to a machine count from another year so no human being has verified either

[MichMan]

62. Because it costs the counties time and money to do hand recounts

Just to try and satisfy people that absent any evidence "just know that the votes were manipulated somehow"

What services should they cut from their residents to pay for it?

[questionseverything]

76. Who would of thought that a democracy built on voting for our leaders would require counting of said votes?

[MichMan]

111. The votes were counted ; you just don't believe the results.

Hand counting is much less accurate than computers

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/02/27/ballot-hand-counts-lead-to-inaccuracy/

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hand-counting-ballots

[questionseverything]

114. If there are multiple races on the ballot and tons of voters hand counting can get messy

But I am only talking hand counting the top 2 races so it doesn’t have to be a big deal

The precinct I vote in has around 1100 voters show up between early voting, mail in voting and Election Day voting, ten honor roll 4th graders could count that many ballots and 2 races several times in a couple of hours

Citizens have the right to oversee the election process and the counting of ballots, that can only be done with a hand count because no human can “oversee” the inner workings of a computer

[MichMan]

116. I thought you were demanding hand counts across the board, which does involve multiple races and tons of voters

Based on your reply that you are most interested in hand counting 2 races in your own small precinct, what happens elsewhere, like the seven swing states or Rockland County , NY doesn't seem to be relevant then.

Curious if your distrust of computers since you can't "oversee" the inner workings also apply to things like calculators, adding machines, and software programs like Excel? Abacus have been used for centuries and are an option, but would require some amount of training for election workers, as most people have never used one.

As a degreed engineer who worked regularly doing statistical analysis for manufacturing processes, I recognize that computers are exponentially more accurate than hand counting, but some people are very mistrustful of technology.

[questionseverything]

117. I was just using my precinct as an example

The ward in the ny case has less than 600 voters and they are willing to spend a bunch of taxpayer money to not let citizens examine ballots… so it’s not about saving money

[questionseverything]

118. One thing I know about counting computers

Is there are 3 different keys the user key, the manager key and the master key and the master key can override anything anyone “inputted “ with the first two keys

So basically the last guy in with the most powerful key decides what “output” will be shown

[MichMan]

119. That was why I suggested using an Abacus

for those who don't trust computers. There are quite a few available on Amazon that are quite inexpensive.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

120. Perhaps where you live...

…but not where I live.

[Blue Full Moon]

71. It was a guy from Mike Lindell.

Remember Lindell told in court that he had bought software. The thing that nobody questioned was that they had altered the voting machines. There is noway it was just this one time.

[Mr.Bee]

21. I Agree

Something Fishy, Something Uneasy, feeling since November.
Electronic Voting has destroyed the notion of 'Free and Fair' elections.
Instead of instant overnight results
We should be using the month of November
to count and verify the count.

[Botany]

23. To believe the 2024 election results you have to believe that millions of Americans showed up and voted ....

…. but skipped voting for President. Hence the Republicans and their media mouth pieces
can now say that Harris lost because she didn’t turn out enough voters when in reality (@
least in my half baked brain) Harris votes were either flipped or deleted.

[TheRickles]

27. Do you have that stat handy: total votes in all Senate races vs. totals of all Cong. races vs. total for Presidential?

I'm not up for Googling at the moment (85 degrees, no AC), so if you have easy access that'd be much appreciated. Thanks.

[Wiz Imp]

30. That claim is 100% false

Everybody who voted had a vote for President and a vote for the seat in the House of Representatives for their District Congressional. Senate can't be compared because not all states had a Senate election on the ballot.

Total votes for President in 2024: 155,238,302
Total votes in Congressional elections in 2024: 149,543,421

Excess votes for President: 5,694,881

Total votes for President in 2020: 158,429,631
Total votes in Congressional elections in 2020: 153,431,405

Excess votes for President: 4,998,226

Comparable numbers - Nothing unusual there.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

31. Do you remember...

...after the election in November, when the conspiracy theorists were pointing out that the fact that so many people in the swing states voted for President but not other statewide races pointed to the election being stolen?

[Wiz Imp]

36. Yep. Facts don't matter to them

Whatever they think supports them, they don't care if it directly contradicts. What they said yesterday

[TheRickles]

39. Just what the doctor ordered. Thank you!

[Botany]

34. Read the articles on this will hold

Tons of facts and stats.

[questionseverything]

45. In 4 swing states there were more senate votes than presidential votes

You can’t look at the entire country at once, that wouldnt show anything but an average

[tritsofme]

47. Which states? I just scanned the results and did not see a single one

where there were more votes cast in the Senate election than the presidential election.

[EdmondDantes_]

49. Which states are you claiming this happened in?

Arizona 3,389,319 presidential, 3,272,086 Senate

Michigan 5,653,665 presidential, 5,406,366 Senate

Wisconsin 3,409,134, presidential 3,316,773 Senate

Pennsylvania 7,034,206 presidential, 6,783,475 Senate

Nevada 1,482,086 presidential, 1,422,531 Senate

Georgia 5,250,047 presidential, no Senate race, no governor race

North Carolina 5,672,784 presidential, no Senate race, 5,310,805 governor

All numbers taken from cnn.com. So no, there weren't more votes for the Senate races than the presidential race.

[questionseverything]

53. Break it down by party and please post your links

And please use the states websites

[SickOfTheOnePct]

54. So now CNN...

...who gets their numbers from the states, is lying?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

55. Georgia

https://results.sos.ga.gov/results/public/Georgia/elections/2024NovGen

[tritsofme]

56. Why does it matter what the party breakdown is? At issue is your false claim there were more votes cast in

swing state Senate races than in the presidential contests. That’s not true.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

57. Arizona

https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/47/0

[questionseverything]

70. Mark *

[tritsofme]

72. Uh....what are you pretending this means? More votes cast in the presidential race here!

Why keep spreading this disinformation?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

73. I was wondering the same thing n/t

[MichMan]

112. Looks like some Republicans and Independents voted for Gallego & against Kari Lake

Not really surprising

[SickOfTheOnePct]

59. Michigan

https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/votehistory/Index?type=C&electionDate=11-5-2024

[EdmondDantes_]

61. Why would I break it down by party? That's not relevant

Split ticket voting is a thing. What are you claiming would be proven by a Senate candidate getting more votes than a presidential candidate? In the 2018-2022 cycle 26% of Democrats running for Senate ran more than 5 points ahead of the Biden ticket in 2020. 52% ran within 3 points. Not really a rare event if it happens all the time.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4923217-senate-campaigns-mismatch/

But also, the person making the claim, that is you, should be providing the evidence. You being too lazy to do your own homework doesn't make your case convincing, even more so when you immediately backtrack after claiming 4 swing states had more votes for Senate than president, and then saying you meant something else. If you had stated your position more accurately and/or provided evidence, it might be more convincing. Well that or you might realize you're pushing an unsupported conspiracy theory.

[questionseverything]

77. I did make an incomplete statement, I assumed more people had read the article and would understand the intent

So to revise my earlier statement,

There were four swing states that showed more democratic votes for the democratic senate candidate than the democratic presidential candidate, this is unusual

[Ms. Toad]

79. In a general election, there is no such thing as a "democratic vote"

Partisan ballots are primary only (or not at all, depending on the state/local rules).

So while there may have been more votes for the democratic senate candidate than the democratic presidential candidate, that is hardly unusual, and we have no idea whether the voters who cast those votes were democratic or republican. Some people split votes for a variety of reasons (not voting in a race in which they don't like either candidate, hoping for a split governance - here, wanting Trump, but also wanting a check on trump via the senate etc.)

[questionseverything]

81. 4 times out of 50 is unusual but I am certainly not saying it's impossible

Just saying it’s worth looking at

[SickOfTheOnePct]

91. It's not 4 times out of 50...

...it's 10 times out of 34.

34 Senate races, 10 races where the Democratic Senate candidate got more votes than VP Harris.

8% v. 29%

[questionseverything]

92. Do you have a link or even a list?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

93. I'm not doing the research for you

You can do what I did:

Open two browser windows
In one, Google "2024 Senate Elections" and go to Wikipedia
In the other Google "2024 Presidential Election" and go to Wikipedia

You can click on each of the highlighted states in the Senate window to get the numbers, then click on that state in the Presidential window to get those numbers.

If you truly question everything, then you should be prepared to look up the facts that support your questions.

[questionseverything]

95. So that's a no on links and lists

[SickOfTheOnePct]

96. Correct n/t

[questionseverything]

108. I'm old, you might as well be explaining to me how to fly

But please keep ridiculing a fellow democrat for expecting transparency in our election practices and being old enough to remember counting paper ballots by hand

[SickOfTheOnePct]

110. I didn't ridicule you

I explained to you how to find the info. If you don’t want to do it, that’s on you.

[questionseverything]

113. I feel like you did, I am old, I didn't grow up on computers and don't really know how to do things that might seem

Simple to you

Besides i only have my phone and really can’t do anything with it ( like not even copy and paste)

So whatever

But hey maybe that’s part of why I don’t trust puter counting or reporting

I would of been interested if there were actually ten states that had more senate votes than presidential votes ( in the democratic side) but it’s not like I think it would change anything

Too many people, of both parties are way too invested in defending our non transparent election system and they have all the money behind them so

See you in the camps

[SickOfTheOnePct]

115. How you feel is on you, not me n/t

[EdmondDantes_]

80. No it isn't.

I've already posted evidence that 26% of Democratic Senate candidates between 2018 and 2022 ran more than 5 points ahead of Biden. Hardly unusual. Can you provide any real citations involving actual election history that says this is unusual? Otherwise that's just another incorrect claim.

[questionseverything]

82. You posted an opinion piece, the " facts " the opinion piece refers to aren't documented anywhere in the article

[EdmondDantes_]

94. Just because something disproves your conspiracy theory that doesn't make it an opinion

You aren't arguing in good faith or willing to change your mind. The theory you're clinging to has no basis in reality. There's a reason that the people selling it don't put it in context and instead tell you only that 4 swing states as if those aren't the states that would be most likely to want to split their votes and leave out that it happens all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/us/politics/senate-democrats-election-biden.html

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/23/biden-trump-swing-states-polling-democrats

https://www.courthousenews.com/many-trump-voters-back-senate-democrats-making-the-chamber-a-toss-up-in-the-fall/

[tritsofme]

97. It's like trying to speak rationally with a Flat Earther or 9/11 Truther

People just cling to the nonsense conspiracy theory and ignore everything else.

Just isn’t worth the effort.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

100. And when told...

...that it wasn't just 4 swing states that had more Democratic votes for Senate ("unusual&quot but 10 of the 34 Senate seats up for grabs, the poster asks for the proof...and when told how to find the proof...crickets.

[questionseverything]

109. Please refer to post #108

[SickOfTheOnePct]

90. No, it's not

In the 34 contested Senate seats in 2024, 10 of them (29%) had the Democratic Senate candidate getting more votes than VP Harris.

In the 11 gubernatorial races, 4 of them (36%) had the Democratic gubernatorial candidates getting more votes than VP Harris.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

63. Wisconsin

POTUS: https://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/documents/County%20by%20County%20Report_POTUS.pdf (page 5)
Senate: https://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/documents/County%20by%20County%20Report_US%20Senate_1.pdf (page 3)

[questionseverything]

69. Mark *

[SickOfTheOnePct]

64. Pennsylvania

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=105&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

[SickOfTheOnePct]

65. Nevada

https://silverstateelection.nv.gov/
You have to click on the Presidential and Senate races to include all of the third-party votes

[SickOfTheOnePct]

67. North Carolina

POTUS: https://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/05/2024&county_id=0&office=FED&contest=0
Governor: https://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/05/2024&county_id=0&office=COS&contest=1180

[Wiz Imp]

29. NO. To believe the 2024 election results you have to believe in REALITY.

With all the reposting you do, you have yet to post one single piece of hard evidence. Babbling about so called "statistical patterns" to people who have no clue about statistics is not evidence. I am a retired professional statistician. All the so called statistical evidence churned out by these guys amount to nothing more than statistical garbage. There is zero evidence there.

[questionseverything]

48. First of all it's foolish to say, " find evidence and proof before you get to examine the ballots"

What is the point in paper ballots if regular citizens are not allowed to look at them?

I have never said we have proof of election fraud, I say it’s up to our employees that administer elections to prove the numbers they report are accurate.

And yes the clerks that run elections work for “we the people “, not the other way around

In ny there are people who swear they voted for the 3rd party candidate that didn’t get reported….why in the world wouldn’t we look at that to see if it happened and maybe why it happened? I don’t remember the exact number but the idea that it takes a court order to dbl check the count on approximately 500 ballots is ready frustrating.

I would think the clerk would be eager to either prove their numbers are correct or would want to know how it went wrong.

There are 4 swing states that show more votes for the senate races than the presidential race, that’s not how it usually goes, therefore i see nothing wrong with looking 👀

If the average American citizen can’t oversee the counting of votes then we have a giant “trust me” system and that’s not how democracy works

[Wiz Imp]

50. More nonsense that has already been debunked several times by many people here so I won't waste any more time on that

However, just so you know you're barking up a dead tree, with regards to this statement "In ny there are people who swear they voted for the 3rd party candidate that didn’t get reported", There were only 2 who stated they would be willing to testify under oath in court that they voted for that person? If they were telling the truth, why wouldn't the others be willing to testify in court? It's because they were given some incentive to lie by the organization filing the lawsuit.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-167466926

The only evidence they have in a precinct where Sare only received 5 votes however 8 have sworn affidavits claiming to have voted for Sare leading SMART Elections to determine she would have had a minimum of 9 votes... affidavits hold little to no water especially when between the 8, only 2 are willing to swear under oath in court and participate as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, including Adam Mocio, a chronic election denier and avid Trump supporter.

[questionseverything]

83. Are you myranda? Why are you claiming this person's words are valid?

She has 3 likes and 2 retweets

[Wiz Imp]

88. I am not Myranda

Her words are valid because the facts she presents are true and I agree with the opinions she presents.

https://www.tiktok.com/@myrandapolisci/video/7522195378440047886

I never thought I'd see this level of election denialism on a Democratic site.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

52. Which four states? n/t

[tritsofme]

58. Split ticket voting is apparently evidence of fraud. lol

I guess they just forgot to steal the Senate races in Michigan and Wisconsin? 🤣🤣

[Wiz Imp]

86. Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

87. Poster replied elsewhere...

...that they meant more Democrats voted for Democratic Senate candidate than voted for VP Harris...said that was unusual, which I also question.

[Wiz Imp]

89. Not at all unusual

For example

In 2020

More people voted for MArk Kelly for in Arizona than voted for Biden for President

[Mr.Bee]

24. Tonight's Double Feature

'Vigilantes Inc.'
+
'All The President's Men'

[Mr.Bee]

68. I Only Believe Greg Palast

American Hero!

[MichMan]

42. The fallacy in most of these conspiracy theories is that they assume everyone votes straight party in every race.

and ignore any possibilities of ticket splitting.

[Andy823]

43. K&R

NT

[SheltieLover]

60. Kick

[cadoman]

66. bait and switch?

Amusing rhetoric but what is the point w/respect to Rockland? Hasn't it been verified to be a private orthodox county that votes in unison?

[Wiz Imp]

104. My guess is it never sees a courtroom because they have no evidence

[TheProle]

78. Additional reading

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

https://web.archive.org/web/20201002105832/https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

FALSE: Zero votes for 2024 Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris in Rockland County, New York, precinct proves Elon Musk hacked 2024 presidential election.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/26/social-media/why-did-kamala-harris-get-zero-votes-in-this-ny-pr/

Obama Got Zero Votes in At Least 38 Precincts in 2012

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=88288

[questionseverything]

99. To be clear, it's not just the zero votes for Harris

It’s about the third party candidate voters saying there votes are not reflected in the reported results

[TheProle]

105. I understand

and it warrants examination, but there is also a contingent that somehow believes that zero-vote precincts do not, and cannot, exist. These articles dispel that line of thinking.

[questionseverything]

107. James dupree is a conservative, so they wouldn't be my first choice to explain Democratic loses

But I know there can be precincts with zero votes

[Initech]

98. I seriously felt on election night the same way that I did on 9/11.

Trump’s win wasn’t a coincidence. His takeover of every single swing state wasn’t a win. It was fraud. It was a direct attack and assault on democracy, and the bad guys won.

[Wiz Imp]

103. And because you felt that way, that means it has to be true?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

[B.See]

106. Yes, and that assault

began long before election night.