If trump goes down for the epstein crimes it won't matter because vance will be here to destroy our country

[mucifer]

It's all really horrible.

[dutch777]

1. Yeah, Vance followed by Johnson just one heart beat from the Oval is not a promising thought

I don't see any way Trump will be prosecuted other than in the court of public opinion and I think he is too teflon even for that to matter to him. It matters to the larger GOP and specifically Congress as the BBB gave them one black eye and they don't need another punch landed in advance of the 2026 mid terms.

[yardwork]

2. I agree. In fact it's possible VanceCo is using this to take out Trump.

Trump served his purpose. He got the Big Beautiful giveaway to billionaires through Congress by using bribery and extortion.

I think the plan by Thiel and Vance's handler's was always to usher Trump out of the way after he completed his usefulness to them. I imagine that Putin and others have plenty on dirt on Vance (it's pretty easy to guess what it might be; he's led a life full of u-turns and new identities to fit the moment).

I fear Vance even more than I fear Trump. Vance is young, energetic, calculating and completely sociopathic.

Our only hope is that MAGA will reject him and the Republicans, giving us a majority in both houses of Congress. I think that outcome is remote but it's literally our only hope.

[Chasstev365]

3. Maybe, but your forgetting:

Vance will never have the cult appeal of Donald Trump and as president, the Poster Children of the Uber Wealthy will get blamed as the Republican "Big Turd of a Bill" starts to cause real pain.

[Torchlight]

4. Vance is New Coke

A rebranding that lasted all of 79 days one fine eighties summer.

[cyclonefence]

5. Give me Vance over Trump any day. Johnson, too

Without Trump, Republican lawmakers will not be terrified of offending The Base. Vance is a figure of ridicule; Johnson is a whiney little churchy-boy. Neither of them has Trump's charisma or his bluster. I think some Senators might re-grow a spine if Trump's not in office--they're terrified of him. Hard to imagine anyone quaking in their boots over threats from Vance or Johnson.

[lame54]

6. No personality Vance...

Won't hold them together long