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Swede

(40,046 posts)
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:40 PM Jul 2025

They even shared a girlfriend for, I think, the better part of a year. Epstein regarded Trump's behavior worse than his

Wolff: I mean, Epstein would often recount his experiences with women—pursuing women—with Trump. At one point in their relationship, they even shared a girlfriend for, I think, the better part of a year.

In fact, Epstein regarded Trump’s behavior with women as, somehow, even worse than his own.

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They even shared a girlfriend for, I think, the better part of a year. Epstein regarded Trump's behavior worse than his (Original Post) Swede Jul 2025 OP
"Girlfriend" or "Victim"? Diamond_Dog Jul 2025 #1
As bad as Trump clearly is, I wouldn't put much stock in Epstein's opinion on this. Remember, Epstein was credibly Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #2
"...accused of having over 1000 under age victims." 3catwoman3 Jul 2025 #4
Sexual addiction and being a predator are two different things synni Jul 2025 #5
Oh, for Gods sake... DET Jul 2025 #8
Epstein is definitely a psychopath womanofthehills Jul 2025 #9
Right. And I'm not aware of Epstein ever blaming sexual addiction for any of his heinous crimes. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #15
Well call me ableist then, synni. The man who molested me was a lifelong predator of little girls... Hekate Jul 2025 #17
I think you are misunderstanding what Synni said. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #21
I do not think I misunderstood Hekate Jul 2025 #22
As bad as Epstein was, I think Trump is worse. Torchlight Jul 2025 #7
So you seriously think trump victimized over 1000 CHILDREN? When as far as I'm aware, only 2 people have accused Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #11
I prefaced it all with "I think" rather than "it is so" Torchlight Jul 2025 #16
Wow. Just wow. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #20
At what age does a child become not a child? Is there still a legal "age of consent"? Hekate Jul 2025 #18
Generally a person is considered a child until they reach age 18 Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #19
They were CHILDREN, not women. efhmc Jul 2025 #3
A G.O.P. Pedo Thruple BoRaGard Jul 2025 #6
Post removed Post removed Jul 2025 #10
I don't think you'll be here too long. Swede Jul 2025 #12
Shouldn't you be occupied in some gainful employment for the glory of dear leader? Maru Kitteh Jul 2025 #13
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Wiz Imp

(10,395 posts)
2. As bad as Trump clearly is, I wouldn't put much stock in Epstein's opinion on this. Remember, Epstein was credibly
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:04 PM
Jul 2025

accused of having over 1000 under age victims and never displayed any remorse nor any indication he thought he was doing anything wrong. In other words, Epstein didn't think he treated anyone badly. I'm not defending Trump. We know Trump treats women like crap.

3catwoman3

(29,779 posts)
4. "...accused of having over 1000 under age victims."
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:28 PM
Jul 2025

This level of indiscriminate debauchery would be depraved enough had these been consensual encounters with adult women. That the victims were underage children is beyond reprehensible.

I'm sure that the opinion I'm about to express will be controversial, but here goes - I think "sexual addiction" is a bullshit excuse for people choosing to behave badly.

synni

(785 posts)
5. Sexual addiction and being a predator are two different things
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:03 PM
Jul 2025

Please don't condemn people with genuine mental illness. That is ableist.

womanofthehills

(11,030 posts)
9. Epstein is definitely a psychopath
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:56 PM
Jul 2025

Many people who dealt with him say he had no empathy or even slight moral ethics.

Weird creepy psychopathic stuff too - like leaving a bullet and severed cats head on doorsteps of Grayson Carter, editor & chief of Vanity Fair, so an article negative of Epstein would be doctored.

I had a neighbor like this - he left a mini noose on a neighbor’s property and all kinds of little shit to let us know he’s been on everyone’s land.

Wiz Imp

(10,395 posts)
15. Right. And I'm not aware of Epstein ever blaming sexual addiction for any of his heinous crimes.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:38 PM
Jul 2025

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
17. Well call me ableist then, synni. The man who molested me was a lifelong predator of little girls...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 06:23 PM
Jul 2025

I thought I was the only one and it was scary as hell. Finally after abut 30 years I find out the bastard had been after little girls since his teens. As far as I know he never stopped because nobody caught him and MADE him stop. And I do know there was at least one adult who knew and kept silent, because keeping secrets runs through generations. And there was some sad story about his own childhood — but to hell with that — I am a believer in free will and conscience.

People can be treated for mental illness with some success. But sociopaths and psychopaths are without conscience, and do not respond to treatment.

“Ableist” my rosy Irish ass. A predator is a predator.

Wiz Imp

(10,395 posts)
21. I think you are misunderstanding what Synni said.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 07:15 PM
Jul 2025

They were not claiming calling an actual sexual predator a sexual predator is ableist. That was in response to seemingly equating the terms sexual predator and sexual addict. They are completely different things

Torchlight

(7,037 posts)
7. As bad as Epstein was, I think Trump is worse.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jul 2025

I may not put much credence into what colors the color blind man tells me he sees, but I'll place even less credibility into a blind man telling me colors don't exist.

Wiz Imp

(10,395 posts)
11. So you seriously think trump victimized over 1000 CHILDREN? When as far as I'm aware, only 2 people have accused
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:35 PM
Jul 2025

him of rape or inappropriate contact when they were under the age of 18? Look, Trump may be the worst person in history when it comes to his treatment of adult women, but he's never been accused of sexually abusing hundreds of children. Unfortunately, it seems some people hate Trump so much, that it has caused them to minimize Epstein's KNOWN crimes. Jeffrey Epstein is the worst known child sex predator in the history of this country. To many like myself, sexual crimes against children may be the most evil crimes anyone can commit and Epstein is KNOWN to have victimized over 1000. If you can provide evidence of anyone ever accusing Trump of anywhere remotely close to the level of Epstein's KNOWN heinous crimes against CHILDREN, then I'll listen

Torchlight

(7,037 posts)
16. I prefaced it all with "I think" rather than "it is so"
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 05:53 PM
Jul 2025

And I think Trump is worse, by factors of tens if not hundreds, even if limiited to the direct and indirect damage to children only.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” (MT)

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
18. At what age does a child become not a child? Is there still a legal "age of consent"?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jul 2025

Is there still something called “statutory rape” and if not, why not? When is rape not rape?

As for Trump, we have ample evidence in the form of interviews and photos taken for lifestyle magazines that he lusted for his own daughter — judging from the photos, she was tall but barely pubescent.

Ugh.

Wiz Imp

(10,395 posts)
19. Generally a person is considered a child until they reach age 18
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 07:02 PM
Jul 2025

Age of consent varies by state ranging from 16 to 18. The Federal age of consent is 18. Due to the nature of Epstein's activities which involve interstate activity, I believe any sexual activity with girls under 18 would be considered sexual assault with a minor.

Trump had a creepy and unhealthy infatuation with his daughter, but he was never accused of sexual assault that we know of by more than a couple minors.

Brad Edwards, a lawyer who represents more than 200 Epstein victims has said that in his interviews and investigations, nobody had accused Trump of anything untoward whatsoever.

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