Bad and dishonest chyron

[SocialDemocrat61]

[niyad]

1. This was for real? msnbc has reallly fallen.

[SocialDemocrat61]

3. Yes, unfortunately

[Celerity]

6. What MSNBC show was this on? Where did you find this pic? TIA

[SocialDemocrat61]

8. Take a look at the time in the corner.

But I’ll give a hint, the host is a big fan of rap music.

[yardwork]

11. Unfortunately it's become very easy to fake images,

I have no doubt of your sincerity in posting this, but it's possible that you were fooled.

[SocialDemocrat61]

13. It is possible but does reflect

what was comment on in another thread.

[malaise]

60. Thi chyron is fake

Ari did surprise many of us (who were watching live) with a very similar comment but there was no such chyron.

[Celerity]

62. From all the evidence I seen (see my multiple replies in this thread) it is real. Prove me wrong and I will retract.

[malaise]

68. As I write

Ari used very similar words so there is no reason to delete it.
He would have better spent his time discussing her very serious point that the institutions are not holding.

[Ninga]

57. What date? I have YouTube TV to go to the actual show

[SocialDemocrat61]

64. Yesterday

About 29 minutes into the show

[Ninga]

70. Thx

[Cha]

74. Ari Melber Assisting Traitor. MF Suits are

Livid.. all that talk about Democracy and what a Fascist Fuck the Despot is.

They should get some Serious Feedback on that Gaslit Shit.

ETA~ After reading this thread.. I'm Confused. Was it Melber who said it? TY

[SocialDemocrat61]

75. Yes

[Cha]

76. OK.. TY.. I'll Edit my Title line to reflect

that.

[malaise]

72. M$NBComcast is repeating Ari from yesterday

Last edited Sat Aug 2, 2025, 04:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Just started - watch for yourselves

[creon]

2. cynical

another reason why I do not watch tv.

[dutch777]

4. She got put thru hell. Takes awhile to process one's way out of that. And she needs to earn a living too.

She would have done no one any good to keep revisiting the election, Biden's choices or telling the Dems what they should do next. Sure, she may have much to contribute to how we/DNC can improve, but she doesn't need to be doing that as a public lecture. I am glad she made a decision about running for CA Governor now and wish her well. She was given an impossible assignment given the timeline and she was positive and kept up the fight to the end. God's speed Kamala.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. Even worse, she actually won the election. It was rigged

By Musk. You know the guy that Trump said really understood those voting machines 😡

[GiqueCee]

5. Republican poison...

... permeates every aspect of corporate media. They are venomous reptiles of the lowest order.

[sheshe2]

7. At the bottom of the image it states it is from image flip.

Imgflip - Create and Share Awesome Images
Imgflip is a website that lets you make memes, GIFs, charts, and demotivators with various templates and tools. You can also browse, share, and join the community of content creators …

https://www.bing.com/search?q=imgflip.com&form=ANNTH1&refig=688e0ccdbdbc41e7911ff00adb3a72e5&pc=LCTS&pq=imageflip.com&pqlth=13&assgl=11&sgcn=imgflip.com&qs=OS&sgtpv=OS&smvpcn=0&swbcn=2&sctcn=0&sc=2-13&sp=2&ghc=0&cvid=688e0ccdbdbc41e7911ff00adb3a72e5&clckatsg=1&hsmssg=0

Also the Chyron is not in the usual MSNBC 'bolding.' I don't think this is real.

[SocialDemocrat61]

9. It reflects what is discussed in this thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20529936

[yardwork]

10. That doesn't prove this chyron is real.

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. True

But I have no reason to believe it’s a fake. It reflects what was stated in the other thread. Found a like to a video of the show https://ok.ru/video/10212698032817 The segment on Harris starts about 29 minutes in.

[senseandsensibility]

69. Yes, he did say that and I was surprised.

Didn't notice that chyron at the time. But he definitely criticized her actions as not supporting Dem activists enough and staying quiet until she has a book to sell. So it doesn't seem unlikely that a chyron like that was displayed.

[Celerity]

12. From what I recall, the chryrons for The Beat always say The Beat.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber





The pic you posted did not say The Beat in the chyron:



I am just curious as to where you found the pic.

It is possible that MSNBC did put up that chyron, and if so, fuck them, but I always need to verify things before I run with them.

cheers

[SocialDemocrat61]

16. Here's a link to the video

https://ok.ru/video/10212698032817
The segment on Harris is about 29 minutes in

[Celerity]

19. thanks, I see it now, sometimes with 'The Beat in the chyron', sometimes without

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. I think they only use the time when

playing a clip to let the viewers know that it's not live like the rest of the show.

[harumph]

28. Celerity, the OP is providing a link to a russian domain as "proof" GMAFB.

[SocialDemocrat61]

38. Do you have any proof that domain altered the video?

And here are other sites with the same video: https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000001001412_01/90101d46-9303-3455-9f51-92a34a458413
https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20250801_220000_The_Beat_With_Ari_Melber/start/2820/end/2880
https://one-news.net/the-beat-with-ari-melber-%E2%80%93-8125/

[Celerity]

45. I see no evidence of 'tampering' in the video. The video is of the whole show. The snapshot in the OP is NOT from

the Russian hosted video site.

It is a pic of a television displaying the same part of The Beat.

Here is the OP snapshot:



Notice the time: 6 46 PM Eastern US time.

Here is a snapshot I just took from the video.

Notice the time (same time. 6 46 PM, Eastern US time):



I am a long time sceptic/debunker on DU. Look at my questioning in this very thread.

Go back and look at my hundreds (maybe over 1,000) call-outs of fake news, disinfo, etc. My debunking has not exactly made me a favourite of certain types here (and I really couldn't care less TBH) when I gore a sacred cow of theirs or when I help debunk an OP with 100, 200, or more recs that also happens to be fake news.

ATM, I see (as stated above) no remotely conclusive evidence that this chyron is disnfo.

I also am more than open to changing my stance if actual valid evidence is provided.

[SocialDemocrat61]

47. Keep on debunking

We should always respect the truth. The other side lies enough.

[Celerity]

50. btw, I would have used the Peacock link (as it is part of NBC overall) BUT I am in the EU and cannot access it

Internet Archive is a legit site, AND it lists all the uploader info

I watched other parts of that The Beat episode that were up on the official Youtube site for MSNBC and they all exactly match every other source given here.

I see no manipulation.

It is exhausting to have to push-back on so many things that people want to believe. Confirmation bias is a hard nut to crack at times, and I as I said, to debunk (or in the case of your OP, confirm) things people want to believe is often a thankless task, and often results in enmity towards the person pushing back/debunking things people WANT to believe in, OR confirming a thing (as it is in this case) others do not want to be real.

[SocialDemocrat61]

53. I just wish more were as honest as you

Thanks

[Oopsie Daisy]

55. So people who express skepticism are dishonest? Got it.

[SocialDemocrat61]

56. When did I say that?

Please don’t put words in my mouth.

[Celerity]

58. My wish is that people would properly vet things before they post. Then there would be far less need for debunkers.

Also, I wish people would look at threads before they rec or post positive things about already debunked misinfo/disinfo.

The worst is when an OP knows they posted bollocks, yet (openly even saying so in some cases) refuses to pull it down.

A while back (a year plus ago), I posted an OP about something that, despite my attempted pre vetting, turned out to be false. My OP had a shedload of recs as well.

I pulled it down AND I made a mea culpa OP explaining that I had fucked up.

When I make a mistake, I own it, try to fix it, and strive to learn from my error(s).

[Celerity]

46. here is the same video from a legit, non Russian-hosted source, it has the same chyron, same time

https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20250801_220000_The_Beat_With_Ari_Melber/

[brush]

65. That chyron seems uncharateristic of Melber and the general tone of his show.

Many don't like him because of his music preferences but I find his legal analyses quite sharp, direct, to the point and fair.

Whoever wrote that mean-spirited chyron needs to be disciplined. It's so rethug-like, intended.

[Celerity]

67. I'm in the minority here (as are you). I actually like Melber. I agree whoever put up that chryon should be disciplined.

Btw, some of the most cringe and/or problematic things I have read here over the past 7 years are some of the 'I hate rap, all rap, all the time'-centred anti-Melber screeds. Shamefully, multiple ones have ventured over the line into what I actually consider racist attacks on the genre and its fanbase. Real nasty stuff, at least in my eyes.

[brush]

71. Mine too...regarding your last paragraph.

[Oopsie Daisy]

14. That's not the typestyle (font) they normally use.

[SocialDemocrat61]

17. Here's a link

https://ok.ru/video/10212698032817
Go 29 minutes in for the segment on Harris.

[harumph]

22. you provide a russian domain? no thanks.

[SocialDemocrat61]

30. OK

Here's a link to the show on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000001001412_01/90101d46-9303-3455-9f51-92a34a458413
Here's a link to another site: https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20250801_220000_The_Beat_With_Ari_Melber/start/2820/end/2880
And a third site: https://one-news.net/the-beat-with-ari-melber-%E2%80%93-8125/

[harumph]

32. Show me a link to an official MSNBC source. I don't give a fuck about "copies" distributed elsewhere.

[SocialDemocrat61]

34. Peacock is about as official as it gets

The MSNBC site doesn't post videos of full episodes of their shows. If you have proof that the pic is fake please post it. Otherwise you are making an accusation with no proof.

[Oopsie Daisy]

23. Russian website. Something from MSNBC's own YT page would be preferred.

I remain skeptical.

[SocialDemocrat61]

25. Here a link to the Audio on YouTube

It matches exactly with the video.

[Oopsie Daisy]

27. That tells me nothing. I wouldn't put it past some rogue person in the control-room...

... but I remain skeptical.

[SocialDemocrat61]

35. Here are more links

Here's a link to the show on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000001001412_01/90101d46-9303-3455-9f51-92a34a458413
Here's a link to another site: https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20250801_220000_The_Beat_With_Ari_Melber/start/2820/end/2880
And a third site: https://one-news.net/the-beat-with-ari-melber-%E2%80%93-8125/
If you have proof it's a fake, please feel free to post a link.

[Oopsie Daisy]

37. I never said it was fake. I said I'm suspicious.

[SocialDemocrat61]

40. OK

Suspicious of what? Links to several sites have been posted that all show the same video with the same chyron. What is so suspicious?

[Oopsie Daisy]

41. Let it go. It's not that important.

[SocialDemocrat61]

43. I'm sorry

But you accused me of posting something fake. I have provided links to several sites with the video that shows it's not. Yet you are still saying that your suspicious. What exactly are you suspicious about?

[Oopsie Daisy]

49. I accused you of nothing. Nothing!

[SocialDemocrat61]

51. Ok but your first post stated

That's not the typestyle (font) they normally use.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220530718#post14

What was the point of that statement?
I’ve posted links to several sites with a video of the show that prove that it’s legitimate. Yet you say that you’re still suspicious. What are you suspicious of?

[Oopsie Daisy]

52. I did not accuse you of anything.

[SocialDemocrat61]

54. I'm just asking what

you’re still suspicious of and why?

[Oopsie Daisy]

59. Once again, I'm just telling you that it was suspicious. I made no accusation toward you personally...

... I did not accuse you of manipulation or fraud. But I have observed that your response is bit disproportionate to the actual importance of all this. Skepticism is healthy, not "dishonest". Providing a link to a Russian website only promotes further skepticism, surely that's not difficult to understand, right?

Earlier my advice was to "let it go" because it's just not that important. And with that... I intend to follow my own advice. I'm letting THIS go because this sub-thread is just not that important. I've wasted enough time with this.

Good bye. See you elsewhere.

[SocialDemocrat61]

61. But posted links to other sites

as did another poster, one of the sites was Peacock which is NBC’s owned streaming site. What made you skeptical in the first place and why are you still suspicious? Your suspicions can’t be addressed unless you state what they are.

[harumph]

29. Obviously, the audio would match up if a troll just altered the chyron.

The OP above gives a link to a russian domain as evidence that "it's real." It's obviously been altered. JFC.

[SocialDemocrat61]

44. Show proof it's been altered.

Again, here are links to videos on several other sites.
https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000001001412_01/90101d46-9303-3455-9f51-92a34a458413
https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20250801_220000_The_Beat_With_Ari_Melber/start/2820/end/2880
https://one-news.net/the-beat-with-ari-melber-%E2%80%93-8125/
If you have proof that the chyron has been altered, please provide it.

[genxlib]

21. Even if this were real (which I doubt)

It is an idiotic negative spin on perfectly acceptable behavior.

In a functioning democracy, the losing candidate is supposed to fade away after a concession speech. It is the heathiest way for a Democracy to transition on a regular basis.

I realize that these times aren't normal but WTF should she have done instead?

God I hope that storming the capital and constant shit-stirring on social media isn't the new expectation for normal.

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. It's real. Here's a link to a video of the show.

https://ok.ru/video/10212698032817
Go 29 minutes in for the segment on Harris.

[harumph]

26. This is a russian domain. Do you get that?

[SocialDemocrat61]

31. So what?

It the actual video of the show. Do you have any proof that it's been altered?

[harumph]

33. You mean like catching someone in the act?

It's so easy to alter videos with AI tools anymore (and distribute them). Anyone can do it. To confirm that something has not been altered, you would need to have the original source (MSNBC). I mean that is simple right? Where is the official MSNBC source archived?

[SocialDemocrat61]

36. No you're making the accusation

Show some proof. Several links to multiple site confirm the pic. Including Peacock which is NBC's streaming service. That's the offical site. Are you saying that someone hacked into Peacock and altered their video just to change that one chyron?

[genxlib]

39. Sorry

Not going to click on a random russian domain.

Even if I could assure that it meant anything, my cyber-security people will kill me.

It doesn't really prove anything since the video could be altered as easily as the still photo capture. Find it on the MSNBC site if you want any kind of assurances

Besides, I don't care. As I said, it is an idiotic thing to criticize someone for.

[SocialDemocrat61]

42. OK. Here are link to other sites

Here's a link to the show on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000001001412_01/90101d46-9303-3455-9f51-92a34a458413
Here's a link to another site: https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20250801_220000_The_Beat_With_Ari_Melber/start/2820/end/2880
And a third site: https://one-news.net/the-beat-with-ari-melber-%E2%80%93-8125/
If you have proof it's a fake, please feel free to post a link.

[samnsara]

48. ask Ari if this was on his show

[KPN]

63. I don't know. I'm not really concerned about or upset by that chyron.

How many losing Presidential candidates have gone on to write a book in the months immediately after the election? MSNBC is a huge corporate entity; not surprising that they aren’t consistently cheerleaders for the left, which relative to the R Party, Democrats are.

Just saying … we got bigger fish to fry.

[betsuni]

66. Ari calling Kamala's answer on the clip "meandering" annoyed me, and that she failed to stop Trump from winning.

Hillary rule: no saying something nice without a snarky insult (like doing great in a debate and Chuck Todd calling you "over prepared" -- last year he said, Say what you will about Hillary, at least she accepted the election results); losing to Trump is entirely their personal fault because of not using just the right words, not enough press conference words (what are they hiding, how can we trust them, there's just something about them I don't like), too many meandering words, the nation heard Kamala on "The View" not using the perfect words and Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin and eat cheese, the choice was clear.

Oh, and books will be mocked as excuses. Infamous case of terrible "What Happened" review by person who hadn't even read it. Rule of never giving Democrats the benefit of the doubt and assuming bad intentions and being a horrible person. Rule of blaming Democrats for not stopping Republicans.