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I think the famine and starvation are real. Jacoby365 Aug 2025 #1
Of course they are not getting enough food, look at this guy describing the food sites as being in active combat zones Pompoy Aug 2025 #2
This Green Beret is a clown Pompoy Aug 2025 #3
His contract ended and he fought to be rehired. Igel Aug 2025 #6
He said food should not be distributed in combat zones womanofthehills Aug 2025 #20
Plus - his contract did NOT end womanofthehills Aug 2025 #21
A Quora post proves nothing. Gaugamela Aug 2025 #4
For balance. Far more propaganda against Israel here. Pompoy Aug 2025 #8
There is no balance in the face of evil iemanja Aug 2025 #10
LOL. So that's how you defend blatant propaganda? And in any case, you're wrong. Pointing Gaugamela Aug 2025 #11
I think calling it genocide is far more blatant propaganda. Pompoy Aug 2025 #13
You mean like this: Gaugamela Aug 2025 #14
Here's what B'Tselem has to say about it: Gaugamela Aug 2025 #15
Now go find Palestinians apologizing for October 7. Or any other terrorist attacks over the past 55 years. Pompoy Aug 2025 #19
So you think the Palestinians are the only ones committing terrorism over the last 55 years, or Gaugamela Aug 2025 #24
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So there are around 3,000 kids without arms or legs womanofthehills Aug 2025 #25
"Gaza's Doctors Treat Patients While Starving, Says American Physician" womanofthehills Aug 2025 #22
Disgusting post Prairie Gates Aug 2025 #5
He is calling out disinformation. My take on it too. Pompoy Aug 2025 #7
WTF? iemanja Aug 2025 #17
What a repulsive excerpt iemanja Aug 2025 #9
What is he wrong about? Is he making false claims about the photos? Pompoy Aug 2025 #12
Many things iemanja Aug 2025 #16
The adults are well fed? He pointed out a fat mother tending to a sickly child. Pompoy Aug 2025 #18
Israel has blocked aid distribution in Gaza for months iemanja Aug 2025 #23

Jacoby365

(516 posts)
1. I think the famine and starvation are real.
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 02:32 PM
Aug 2025

Retired Lt. Col Anthony Aguilar, Special Forces Green Beret, who helped with aid distribution in Gaza has something to say about it at 1:50 in the following video.

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Pompoy

(256 posts)
2. Of course they are not getting enough food, look at this guy describing the food sites as being in active combat zones
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 02:53 PM
Aug 2025

Why is Hamas choosing to fight around these food distribution sites? I had enough of this guy by the 5 minute mark.
Of course Hamas is looking to kill as many Israelis as possible at places they can be found, exposed.
My point of making this thread and quoting the Quora guy, is in response to all the talk about Israel trying deliberately to starve the Palestinians. Kill them off.

Pompoy

(256 posts)
3. This Green Beret is a clown
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 02:59 PM
Aug 2025

In one minute he says that these are in combat zones, the next he is blaming them for having real bullets in those combat zones.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
6. His contract ended and he fought to be rehired.
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 03:23 PM
Aug 2025

Part of the fight was saying what a valuable asset he'd been and would continue to be; part of it was threatening and saying he'd get revenge if they didn't hire him back.

Hard to know what that all means--he was okay working for a horrible organization but only would expose them if not rehired? How much of this expose is exaggerated for the purpose of the revenge he threatened?

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
20. He said food should not be distributed in combat zones
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 10:29 PM
Aug 2025

Because the IDF is there- He said instead of putting up a sign so people leaving know to turn left - the IDF shoots (supposedly) over their heads to get them in the right direction. These poor Palestinians have to walk 5 to 10 miles to food distribution in combat zones.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
21. Plus - his contract did NOT end
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 10:33 PM
Aug 2025

He gave a letter of resignation and they wanted him to stay on. He has correspondence to prove this. He talked about these allegations on “Breaking Points” with Krystal Ball and on Tucker’s show.

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
4. A Quora post proves nothing.
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 03:19 PM
Aug 2025

A simple google search will pull up many news articles on the starvation in Gaza from a wide assortment of news agencies.

Why are you splattering this offensive propaganda here?

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
10. There is no balance in the face of evil
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 03:45 PM
Aug 2025

There is either collaboration or condemnation. Either one supports the killing of children, or one opposes it. Period.

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
11. LOL. So that's how you defend blatant propaganda? And in any case, you're wrong. Pointing
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 04:26 PM
Aug 2025

out facts and news reports is not propaganda.

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
14. You mean like this:
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 08:24 PM
Aug 2025
Israeli author David Grossman says his country is committing genocide in Gaza

The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

“I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

“How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.”

Grossman said that for many years he had refused to use the term. “But now I can’t help myself – not after what I’ve read in the papers, not after the images I’ve seen, not after speaking with people who’ve been there. This word is an avalanche: once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
15. Here's what B'Tselem has to say about it:
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 08:31 PM
Aug 2025
This week, Israel’s own leading human rights group announced that it had reached “the unequivocal conclusion that Israel is taking coordinated action to intentionally destroy Palestinian society in the Gaza Strip”. In other words, said B’Tselem, “Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza

B’Tselem joins Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Doctors Without Borders in reaching this conclusion.

Pompoy

(256 posts)
19. Now go find Palestinians apologizing for October 7. Or any other terrorist attacks over the past 55 years.
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 09:28 PM
Aug 2025

Israel is not pursuing genocide. Looks like the Palestinian martyr/sacrifice operation is finally winning the day.
And of course Netanyahu has been a disaster for Israel. Starting from not being able to prevent October 7.

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
24. So you think the Palestinians are the only ones committing terrorism over the last 55 years, or
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 11:00 PM
Aug 2025

really the last 78 years, going back to the Nakba? The UN recognizes the right of an occupied people to fight against their oppressors. That doesn’t exonerate terrorism against civilians, but Israel has had Gaza in a stranglehold for decades, and enjoys the largesse of the US MIC, and when you get this kind of extreme asymmetry in warfare the oppressed will use any means at their disposal. Israel, on the other hand, a state that would not have been allowed to exist under the Geneva Conventions, is committing war crimes.

Response to Gaugamela (Reply #24)

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
25. So there are around 3,000 kids without arms or legs
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 11:02 PM
Aug 2025

- nothing like being a child amputee and getting starved to death too.

Looks like when they do have food - they are staying alive with bread. Do they ever have protein or fruit?


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womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
22. "Gaza's Doctors Treat Patients While Starving, Says American Physician"
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 10:53 PM
Aug 2025

“American doctor Ellie has confirmed that medical teams in Gaza are treating patients under extreme conditions without access to food, clean water, or essential medical supplies. Like the rest of the civilians, they are enduring severe hunger and devastation.”


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Pompoy

(256 posts)
7. He is calling out disinformation. My take on it too.
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 03:38 PM
Aug 2025

The fact remains that Gaza is and was relying on aid. They don't have their priorities straight.

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
17. WTF?
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 08:57 PM
Aug 2025

Israel has bombed the region's infrastructure to oblivion. They have bombed crops and food businesses. They have deliberately imposed a policy of starvation. That you blame Gazans is unreal.

The Quora poster calls out no disinformation. He lies.

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
9. What a repulsive excerpt
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 03:44 PM
Aug 2025

The intent of that writer is to ensure that genocide proceeds unfettered. That you site some idiot on Quora as an expert indicates poor judgement. 1000 rabbis and other Jewish leaders just denounced the conditions in Gaza. Why won't you listen to them?
https://wskg.org/npr-news/2025-08-01/more-than-1-000-rabbis-and-jewish-leaders-denounce-starvation-in-gaza

Pompoy

(256 posts)
12. What is he wrong about? Is he making false claims about the photos?
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 08:06 PM
Aug 2025

Everyone agrees that this is a horrible situation and the Palestinians are bearing the brunt of it, but why is it wrong to call out fake stuff?
I had the same question before reading that thread, why are the mothers and siblings of these emaciated kids not having the same emaciated appearance?
I then looked up why kids get to appear much more emaciated than the adults around them, and was satisfied that that is the way things are, kids are more vulnerable to malnutrition/starvation, so I didn't make anything out of it.

Even though my thinking is that Palestinians believe in making martyrs out of children. And sending women as suicide bombers.
I didn't put it past them to sacrifice many kids.

But this guy makes the claim that he looked up what the problem was with the more horrific looking photos out there, that they were suffering from other conditions not just lack of food.

Genocide?

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
16. Many things
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 08:53 PM
Aug 2025

1) That adults are well fed
2) The use of quotation marks around starving children, as though they weren't real
3) the obvious point that children are more vulnerable. Mothers have talked about the fact they have no more milk to feed their infants, who are disproportionately suffering.
4) the intent of the post is to deny the widespread famine inflicting Hamas, and that it is a deliberate policy by the Israeli government.
5) Why then have thousands of Jews spoken out against the famine? Why have two prominent Israeli human rights groups denounced genocide? Why has former Israeli PM Olmert spoken out?
6) There is overwhelming evidence of mass starvation in Gaza. All the press have covered it, including Haaretz.
7) The purpose of the post is to cover up for the famine and therefore ensure more Palestinians die.
8) The stated policy of Israeli is to rid the region of all Palestinians and famine is part of that plan. I gave you evidence of just that through the many articles on the concentration camp in Rafah, which you ignored.

Pompoy

(256 posts)
18. The adults are well fed? He pointed out a fat mother tending to a sickly child.
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 09:19 PM
Aug 2025

Of course there isn't enough food to go around, Hamas creates the conditions. It's Israel doing the feeding.
The Quora guy agrees that people are suffering. He tries to counter propaganda is all.
I'm not going to take seriously anybody who says that Israel's stated goal is to get rid of the region (Gaza) of Palestinians.
Although, I'm sure that they would want a buffer zone after October 7.

Obviously I ignored the story about the concentration camp in Rafa, maybe it was because you provided too many links.
As for the 2 Israeli rights groups calling it genocide, I googled it, but the CNN story I link here didn't convince me.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-rights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl

It's human instinct to empathize with the weak, but it's not the police's and the prosecutor's fault if the children of killers and robbers suffer because their parents end up in jail.
Israel is feeding and providing water and even medical help to Palestinian children. But war is a horrible thing.

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
23. Israel has blocked aid distribution in Gaza for months
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 10:59 PM
Aug 2025

It shoots at people trying to get food and water. That there may be a fat person in Gaza doesn't negate the fact that famine is widespread, as declared by the IPC and many international groups, thousands of rabbis and Jewish leaders, Israeli human rights organizations, and the international community as a whole. You're not convinced that those two human rights organizations denounced genocide, or you aren't convinced that you should care?

Hamas is responsible for Oct 7. It is NOT responsible for the conditions in Gaza. Israel is. It has bombed the region for a year and a half. It has deliberately imposed starvation by refusing human rights groups with food aid entry into the country, and even the IDF has admitted it has shot at people seeking food and water. Those are facts.

Too many links? I provided 4. You could have read any one of them, if you had the desire to know the truth. Even The Times of Israel article would have been enough, but you ignore even the Israeli press.

Nothing will convince you. You ignore evidence at all costs. And even when you see it, you obfuscate and misstate the facts. And now you admit that starvation exists, only make up excuses for why you shouldn't care. You've exposed yourself, and I'm done with you.

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